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Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #135 on: May 25, 2010, 01:02:59 PM »

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Shaquille O'Neal - 1999-2000
Dirk Nowitzki - 2006-2007
James Worthy - 1989-1990
Clyde Drexler - 1991-1992
Mark Price - 1992-1993
Moses Malone - 1989-1990
Shawn Marion - 2005-2006
Antonio McDyess - 2000-2001
Jerry Stackhouse - 2000-2001
Terry Porter - 1990-1991
Jayson Williams - 1997-1998
Sean Elliot - 1995-1996
John Starks - 1992-1993
BJ Armstrong - 1992-1993
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - 1999-2000
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Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #136 on: May 25, 2010, 01:15:22 PM »

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Shaquille O'Neal - 1999-2000
Dirk Nowitzki - 2006-2007
James Worthy - 1989-1990
Clyde Drexler - 1991-1992
Mark Price - 1992-1993
Moses Malone - 1989-1990
Shawn Marion - 2005-2006
Antonio McDyess - 1998-1999
Jerry Stackhouse - 2000-2001
Terry Porter - 1990-1991
Jayson Williams - 1997-1998
Sean Elliot - 1995-1996
John Starks - 1992-1993
BJ Armstrong - 1992-1993
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - 1999-2000


I would have picked the 2000-01 season for Antonio McDyess.

I thought his game jumped to another level after the 2000 Olympics, after playing with all those talents and realizing he was just as good as they were, that he belonged. The transition from young pup to bonafide star ... the when times get tough come climb on my back and I'll pull my team along transition.

The ability to play under pressure, attacking tougher defenders because he knew his team needed him to, taking more responsibility on his shoulders.

Also, an understanding that he to lead in more ways than just scoring ... but by playing D and hitting the backboards.

Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #137 on: May 25, 2010, 01:25:24 PM »

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Shaquille O'Neal - 1999-2000
Dirk Nowitzki - 2006-2007
James Worthy - 1989-1990
Clyde Drexler - 1991-1992
Mark Price - 1992-1993
Moses Malone - 1989-1990
Shawn Marion - 2005-2006
Antonio McDyess - 1998-1999
Jerry Stackhouse - 2000-2001
Terry Porter - 1990-1991
Jayson Williams - 1997-1998
Sean Elliot - 1995-1996
John Starks - 1992-1993
BJ Armstrong - 1992-1993
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - 1999-2000


I would have picked the 2000-01 season for Antonio McDyess.

I thought his game jumped to another level after the 2000 Olympics, after playing with all those talents and realizing he was just as good as they were, that he belonged. The transition from young pup to bonafide star ... the when times get tough come climb on my back and I'll pull my team along transition.

The ability to play under pressure, attacking tougher defenders because he knew his team needed him to, taking more responsibility on his shoulders.

Also, an understanding that he to lead in more ways than just scoring ... but by playing D and hitting the backboards.
I was torn between the two years. I changed it.

Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #138 on: May 25, 2010, 01:38:45 PM »

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Kendrick Perkins (09-10)
Kenyon Martin (03-04)
Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson (99-00)
Gerald Wallace (09-10)
Hedo Turkoglu (07-08)
Richard Hamilton (05-06)
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Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #139 on: May 25, 2010, 01:47:14 PM »

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Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #140 on: May 25, 2010, 01:59:31 PM »

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Coached by Jerry Sloan.  During the 21 year period, Jerry coached all 21 seasons compiling a 1056-634 record (62.49 win % for ave. record of 51.24 wins and 30.76 losses) and a 96-97 playoff record.  Jerry's teams made the playoffs 18 of the 21 years and advanced to NBA Finals twice (losing to Chicago both times).  

John Stockton   1994-1995
Terrell Brandon   1999-2000
Raja Bell   2006-2007
Joe Johnson   2004-2005
Jim Jackson   1995-1996
Lebron James   2009-2010
Tayshaun Prince   2006-2007
Shane Battier   2007-2008
Dennis Rodman   1991-1992
Al Jefferson   2007-2008
Zach Randolph   2009-2010
Juwan Howard   1995-1996
Chris Bosh   2009-2010
Kevin Willis   1991-1992
Andrew Bogut   2009-2010

Of those 15 years, I have the following breakdown of awards/honors

MVP - 1
1st Team All NBA - 2
3rd Team All NBA - 4
1st Team All Defense - 3
2nd Team All Defense - 3
All Star - 7

Having the second pick I thought long and hard about if I wanted Lebron or Hakeem, but ultimately chose the most versatile and diverse SF perhaps ever.  Once I had Lebron, I wanted to put together a team that would compliment his strengths and play well off him.  I envisioned this to be tough gritty defenders, great rebounders, and excellent shooters.  In order to appease chemistry concerns, I also wanted to put together a team that had very few top dogs.  That is why for my next couple of picks John Stockton and Dennis Rodman were selected.  It also is why I chose perhaps lesser statistical years for more complimentary years, Terrell Brandon and Joe Johnson being prime examples of that logic.  In fact, Chris Bosh and late round draft pick Zach Randolph are really the only other players on this team that were the primary offensive weapon for their teams, aside from Lebron.

With my strategy in mind I went about selecting superb defenders and rebounders and shot blockers on the interior.  Thus, Dennis Rodman was a no brainer selection. Rodman had the 6 highest rpg numbers during this period (the year I selected was his highest).  Although, the year I chose Rodman did not win the defensive player of the year, it was the season that followed his back-to-back winning of the award.  My strategy also made Kevin Willis an easy selection given he had the highest season after Rodman at 15.5 rpg.  So I have the two best rebounders available from this period.  In addition, Randolph was 3rd, Jefferson 5th, and Bosh 6th in rpg for the years I selected (bogut was also above 10 rpg though didn't crack the top ten).  In total, the team averaged 123.5 rpg for the years I selected, which I would imagine will be the highest total given just how good Rodman and company were.  Bogut was 2nd in the league in blocks per game adding a nice solid help defender in the paint, though on the whole the team averaged just 11.9 bpg.

I suspect my teams overall scoring of 268.4 ppg will be one of the lesser figures for this league, but that played into my strategy of pairing players to fit Lebron's skill set.  On the paint I wanted defender/rebounder type players and on the perimeter I wanted excellent long range shooters who were unselfish with the ball.  This often led to players that just didn't score the ball at the same sort of rate that other teams will surely have.  

So with that in mind, this is what I envision my team looking like.

As a starting point, I think it should be mentioned that anticipate my three suit dwellars to be Jim Jackson, Zach Randolph, and Juwan Howard.

Now on to the 12 man team.

I envision Stockton, Lebron, and Bosh starting against every team in the league, but plan on rotating the other two starters between Raja Bell and Joe Johnson and Dennis Rodman and Kevin Willis depending on matchups.  Against teams with stellar SG's like Kobe, I will start Raja Bell who was a 1st Team All Defensive player in the year I chose.  Against teams that have lesser SG's, I will start dead eye three point shooter Joe Johnson (47.8% from three) to provide an additional kick out option for Lebron on his drives.  Against teams with twin towers, I will start Willis and Bosh together to provide some much needed beef up front, but against those teams with smaller, more athletic, or perimeter PF's I will start Dennis Rodman, who was by far the best defender and rebounder available in the entire draft.  I also will utilize Rodman's defensive versatility and have him guard superb wings, which he did as well as anyone in history.  

Backups to Lebron are two superb defenders in Tayshaun Prince and Shane Battier (each 2nd team all defense) and both with enough versatility that each could play with Lebron against certain teams.  Both of which are also efficient scorers.  

I only elected to go with 1 back-up PG as I figured the PG would be as much about defense as initiating the offense with Lebron on the team.  I chose Brandon's Minnesota year for a couple of reasons.  First, he was second fiddle to KG so there should be less concern about that.  Second, he was improved defensively later in his career.  Third, while his TS% numbers were down due to lesser overall three point attempts, he was actually a better shooter.  I felt this was important given his much reduced role (sometimes actual numbers are more important then effective percentages, especially when you are looking at vastly different roles).

At the big man spots, aside from the three pseudo starters, Al Jefferson and Andrew Bogut would be the bench players.  I like their efficient scoring, big bodies, and solid shot blocking and rebounding.

I envision the playing time to be something like this
PG - Stockton 35, Brandon 13
SG - Johnson 25, Bell 23
SF - Lebron 38, Prince 10
PF - Rodman 25, Bosh 15, Jefferson 8
C - Willis 20, Bosh 20, Bogut 8
with Battier as mop-up.

Let me know if you have any questions, or need any stats, I have them all compiled for the years I selected.
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Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #141 on: May 25, 2010, 02:06:21 PM »

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Hakeem Olajuwon (89-90)
Kevin McHale (89-90)
Larry Nance (91-92)
Dino Radja (94-95)
Kendrick Perkins (09-10)
Kenyon Martin (03-04)
Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson (99-00)
Gerald Wallace (07-08)
Hedo Turkoglu (07-08)
Richard Hamilton (05-06)
Andre Iguodala (07-08)
Jeff Malone (89-90)
Chauncey B-B-B-Billups (07-08)
Kenny Anderson (96-97)
Danny Ainge (89-90)

Why not 2006 Billups?  He scored more, had more assists, and shot better from three.  He also had better stats in the playoffs that year.

Also, I'd definitely go with 2010 Gerald Wallace.  He was a key piece on the league's top defense, and he was much more efficient shooting and shooting from three.  He was also a beast rebounding this year.  2008 Wallace had slightly better defensive stats, but I'm not sure that he was a better defender. 

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Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #142 on: May 25, 2010, 02:11:32 PM »

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Hakeem Olajuwon (89-90)
Kevin McHale (89-90)
Larry Nance (91-92)
Dino Radja (94-95)
Kendrick Perkins (09-10)
Kenyon Martin (03-04)
Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson (99-00)
Gerald Wallace (07-08)
Hedo Turkoglu (07-08)
Richard Hamilton (05-06)
Andre Iguodala (07-08)
Jeff Malone (89-90)
Chauncey B-B-B-Billups (07-08)
Kenny Anderson (96-97)
Danny Ainge (89-90)
I would have used different years for Gerald Wallace, Chauncey Billups and Hedo Turkoglu.

Gerald Wallace -- either 08/09 or 09/10. I thought Larry Brown had a great influence on Wallace's offensive game. A lot more efficiency + more comfort playing the small forward position.

Chauncey Billups -- Billups had already lost a step in 07/08 and was becoming vulnerable against quick guards + wasn't able to get dribble penetration as easily in past seasons. I would probably go back two seasons with Billups.

Hedo Turkoglu -- Turkoglu was only a high level play in Orlando because he had the ball in his hands all the time. He won't have that in this game because, relatively speaking, he isn't talented enough to warrant that. Better to pick an earlier year from his Kings days when he was more athletic and when his defense was better (or that one year in San Antonio). He is a role player in this competition, not a star.

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« Reply #143 on: May 25, 2010, 02:17:46 PM »

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Hakeem Olajuwon (89-90)
Kevin McHale (89-90)
Larry Nance (91-92)
Dino Radja (94-95)
Kendrick Perkins (09-10)
Kenyon Martin (03-04)
Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson (99-00)
Gerald Wallace (07-08)
Hedo Turkoglu (07-08)
Richard Hamilton (05-06)
Andre Iguodala (07-08)
Jeff Malone (89-90)
Chauncey B-B-B-Billups (07-08)
Kenny Anderson (96-97)
Danny Ainge (89-90)
I would have used different years for Gerald Wallace, Chauncey Billups and Hedo Turkoglu.

Gerald Wallace -- either 08/09 or 09/10. I thought Larry Brown had a great influence on Wallace's offensive game. A lot more efficiency + more comfort playing the small forward position.

Chauncey Billups -- Billups had already lost a step in 07/08 and was becoming vulnerable against quick guards + wasn't able to get dribble penetration as easily in past seasons. I would probably go back two seasons with Billups.

Hedo Turkoglu -- Turkoglu was only a high level play in Orlando because he had the ball in his hands all the time. He won't have that in this game because, relatively speaking, he isn't talented enough to warrant that. Better to pick an earlier year from his Kings days when he was more athletic and when his defense was better (or that one year in San Antonio). He is a role player in this competition, not a star.

I like 2008 for Hedo.  It was the most complete he's been as a player.  It's also near his top year in terms of shooting and 3PT percentage, and the only year where he had prolonged playoff success.

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Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #144 on: May 25, 2010, 02:46:52 PM »

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I think that for Billups, I chose the 07-08 season due to his 3 pt efficiency..I see the concern about him losing a step in 07-08, though. I think that he was still a top line defender in 07-08.

I think that this played into my choices for Gerald Wallace as well..on top of him being a solid defender, I wanted a good yr from 3 range, as well as his other stats. It was very important for me to spread the floor for Dream and McHale to operate.

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« Reply #145 on: May 25, 2010, 02:53:40 PM »

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We don't have to post our official write-ups until tomorrow, correct?

I have to step out here in a bit for class..I won't be available again until around 11:00 p.m. Eastern time.

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« Reply #146 on: May 25, 2010, 03:08:43 PM »

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I think that for Billups, I chose the 07-08 season due to his 3 pt efficiency..I see the concern about him losing a step in 07-08, though. I think that he was still a top line defender in 07-08.

I think that this played into my choices for Gerald Wallace as well..on top of him being a solid defender, I wanted a good yr from 3 range, as well as his other stats. It was very important for me to spread the floor for Dream and McHale to operate.

2010 was by far Wallace's best year from three, though, right?  37.1%, versus 32.1% in 2008.  He was also a lot better shooting overall.

It's actually the same thing with Billups:  he was a better 3PT shooting in 2006 than in 2008 (43.3% vs. 40.1%)

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Re: CB Historical Draft - Team Rosters/Panelists Comments
« Reply #147 on: May 25, 2010, 03:10:16 PM »

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We don't have to post our official write-ups until tomorrow, correct?

I have to step out here in a bit for class..I won't be available again until around 11:00 p.m. Eastern time.
that is my understanding, I will just be out all day tomorrow so I put it out there early.
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