Boston - Utah trade?

[vgulab]

The Jazz lost against the Lakers 4-0. Why? Because they were small.Boozer and Milsap just coudn't stop Lakers big guys. Even if Okur was there still think that they need a defenseve centar.Boozer will be a free agent so they will probably sign and trade him because they will not give him so much money when they got Milsap. So my sugestion is trade Perkins,Davis,Daniels for the Utah lotery pick. Or some simular trade. Why? Utah need defensive centar and get that with Perk. Then they have Perkins+Milsap frontcourt. Big Baby will be backup PF and Marquis backup SF. Plus sign and trade Boozer for a really good SF/SG than UTAH will be a contender. Ithink it is posible we get a lotery pick which can be really high on the draft and we could get a top 3 pick and get Evan Turner maybe and they get what they been missing because the Jazz are young enough they don't need another young guy and we need. What do you think? Is it posible and is it good for both teams?

[KCattheStripe]

The Jazz lost against the Lakers 4-0. Why? Because they were small.Boozer and Milsap just coudn't stop Lakers big guys. Even if Okur was there still think that they need a defenseve centar.Boozer will be a free agent so they will probably sign and trade him because they will not give him so much money when they got Milsap. So my sugestion is trade Perkins,Davis,Daniels for the Utah lotery pick. Or some simular trade. Why? Utah need defensive centar and get that with Perk. Then they have Perkins+Milsap frontcourt. Big Baby will be backup PF and Marquis backup SF. Plus sign and trade Boozer for a really good SF/SG than UTAH will be a contender. Ithink it is posible we get a lotery pick which can be really high on the draft and they get what they been missing because the Jazz are young enough they don't need another young guy and we need. What do you think? Is it posible and is it good for both teams?

Too much for one lottery pick, we'd need a lot more in return.

[vgulab]

But it's really high this draft pick it maybe top 3. Imagine that. WE can end up with Evan Turner

[nickagneta]

1.) Both teams are over the cap so salary cap restrictions apply and salaries traded much match within 25% of each other. This trade does not do that

2.) We do not own Daniels' rights once we have played our last game this season. He is an unrestricted free agent. A sign and trade with him makes no sense since we don't own his Bird rights, can offer only a modest raise in a S&T and even that amount starts at a percentage higher than $1.99 million.

Basically this trade could never happen because of the collective bargaining agreement and it doesn't make much sense either

[KCattheStripe]

But it's really high this draft pick it maybe top 3. Imagine that. WE can end up with Evan Turner

Ok but with Baby and Perk gone, who plays C or PF?

[vgulab]

Well maybe if Utah add some player to equal the salaryes this trade could be possible. And it makes a lot of sense to me because Perkins will ask a lot od money next summer and we will probably have to give 8-9mil per season and that is not good. So with the 19th pick we can select Larry Sanders a great defensive prospect centar and with this lottery pick with a little luck we can get Turner to be our future to replace Ray and to be a backup point guard as well.

[Bankshot]

Why would we give up our defensive center so KG will get manhandled in the paint?

And I like Baby as a bench player.  He's clutch and brings it when the games mean the most.  Keep him on our bench.

[vgulab]

Ok but with Baby and Perk gone, who plays C or PF?

With number 19 we will select Larry Sanders defensive centar plus KG that our starting lineup and of the bench Sheed+ Shelden

[Bankshot]

Ok but with Baby and Perk gone, who plays C or PF?

With number 19 we will select Larry Sanders defensive centar plus KG that our starting lineup and of the bench Sheed+ Shelden

A rookie in the starting lineup? I don't think so.

[vgulab]

Ok but with Baby and Perk gone, who plays C or PF?

With number 19 we will select Larry Sanders defensive centar plus KG that our starting lineup and of the bench Sheed+ Shelden

A rookie in the starting lineup? I don't think so.

Well he would play about 20-25min but my point was to get a top pick so IF we can get Turner he can be our SG for the next 10years and i'm worried that Perk will ask to much money when he will became free agent

[Who]

How about this trade ... Perkins for Millsap? Or Perk + draft pick for Millsap?

Would Utah consider making that deal?

They are coming off their third straight heart breaking loss to the Lakers due to their lack of interior defense + size ... and they want to keep Boozer around, assuming they actually do manage to keep Boozer around, as their mainframe power forward.

[Chris]

I think Utah is a very interesting trade partner for the C's.  Two of our more tradable assets fill needs for them.  Perk would give them an experienced banger to pair with Millsap and Okur, and Ray Allen gives them the shooting guard they have needed for years.  And they have some pieces the C's could use.  A younger, star PF in Boozer, who is strong enough to do some banging down low, and could play well next to KG, an athletic 3/4 who might look very good in an up tempo game in Kirilenko, and a lottery pick.

They also have a large trade exception that could absorb Perk's contract.

So here are the trades that I think could all make sense, depending on the C's plans, and how much salary Utah is willing to take on/want to shed:

Perk straight up for the Knicks pick.  This is pretty straight forward, and would be a decent haul for both teams.  The C's get the mid to late lottery pick that is probably just about right for Perk, and they get a trade exception, which they can try to use to fill one of the holes on the roster, perhaps making it more palatable to use the MLE on a replacement for Perk.

Perk and Ray for Boozer.  I have been throwing this one out there for a while.  The C's get Boozer, who is one of the better PF's in the league, and I think would be a great fit next to KG, as he transitions to Center.  It would really give another dimension to the C's offense.  The downside, is the C's would then have to find a way to replace Ray.  But this could be a nice "reloading" type of deal.

Ray and Perk for Kirilenko and Matthews.  Kirilenko has just one year left on his deal, so this gives the C's a bit of a trial run with him in their offense, but he could be a great fit as an up tempo PF, allowing the C's to be incredibly aggressive defensively with Rondo on the perimeter, and KG and Kirilenko on the front line.  

[vgulab]

Chris you think Utah will trade their lottery pick for Perk only? Well let's make it done right now. It could be amazing for the Celtics ig they get a future all star with that lottery draft pick plus we won't have to sign Perk to a big contract next season. And with our 19th pick Larry Sanders can be our future at the centar position

or

Perk+Sheed for lottery pick+ Kirilenko

[Chris]

Chris you think Utah will trade their lottery pick for Perk only? Well let's make it done right now. It could be amazing for the Celtics ig they get a future all star with that lottery draft pick plus we won't have to sign Perk to a big contract next season. And with our 19th pick Larry Sanders can be our future at the centar position

Honestly, my inclination is that they won't.  However, I don't think it is so lopsided that it can't be discussed.  I think it is in that gray area, where it will come down to how high they are on Perk (and whether Sloan thinks he is a good fit). 

And of course, it also depends on whether they can afford Perk's salary (we could also take Miles back, if that's an issue), and most importantly, whether they like anyone where they are picking.

If they are not sold on anyone at that spot (and depending on who you talk to, they might be falling just after the second tier of the draft ends), then they might choose to go for it with Perk.

[Moranis]

I like Boozer for Perkins (and something), whether it is Sheed and Davis, Allen in a sign and trade, or with a third team taking on some of the C's parts, doesn't matter.  I think that is a good trade for both teams assuming it can be worked out.