Would Doc leaving this year be best for the team longterm?

[openairmovie]

Ive been thinking all day about this question and had to make a post....here is my argument on it

I love Doc..dont get me wrong, I love the Defense first mentality, and I love him as a person...hes one of my favorite coaches of my lifetime....BUT  he does not play young players...he played Rondo last year full time because he essentially had to.  He's openly said that the Vets come first. I dont think this team can succeed by being the mid 00s patriots by bringing in vet after vet after vet   we need to get younger and I think if we want to do that we may need a coach that is open to playing the young guys.  The other idea behind this is that I've noticed an increasing trend among college players that offensive mindset comes first,  defense  second.  Doc doesnt like those types of players (I.E. Bill Walker)  no matter how good they are on O .   So what do you all think would be best?  Keeping Doc and going the Vet to Vet routine,   or do you see Doc caving in and producing young talent for this team.   Or do you think its our best route for him to move on   

[CoachBo]

Not nearly as much as the departure of some of those wearing the uniform would be.

Let's be clear, though: I'm not talking about Pierce.

[MF Doom]

Doc, in my opinion, leaving would be best for the team. I agree with your point that he simply refuses to play young players who could contribute.(i.e. Bill Walker)Picking up young and possibly future contributers would be meaningless because Doc wouldn't play them anyways.

Also, this may upset alot of posters but, Pierce made it clear that Doc leaving would alter his decsision of opting out. I say let him and Ray Allen walk. I have been one of the biggest Pierce fans seeing that he is the only great Celtic that I have witnessed in my life-time and having retire as a Celtic would be a story book ending, but the logical and smart move would be to let him and Ray walk in order to clear cap space and rebuild for the future. Lets just face, keeping the Big 3 around will not do anything positive for this franchise.
My dream starting 5 for next year:
Rondo
Anthony Morrow
Paul George
Anthony Randolph
Kevin Garnett

with Baby and TA and (filler) off the bench

[Eeyore III]

Doc, in my opinion, leaving would be best for the team. I agree with your point that he simply refuses to play young players who could contribute.(i.e. Bill Walker)Picking up young and possibly future contributers would be meaningless because Doc wouldn't play them anyways.

Also, this may upset alot of posters but, Pierce made it clear that Doc leaving would alter his decsision of opting out. I say let him and Ray Allen walk. I have been one of the biggest Pierce fans seeing that he is the only great Celtic that I have witnessed in my life-time and having retire as a Celtic would be a story book ending, but the logical and smart move would be to let him and Ray walk in order to clear cap space and rebuild for the future. Lets just face, keeping the Big 3 around will not do anything positive for this franchise.
My dream starting 5 for next year:
Rondo
Anthony Morrow
Paul George
Anthony Randolph
Kevin Garnett

with Baby and TA and (filler) off the bench

Your dream 2010 team has me dreaming of the 2011 lottery already. Morrow in particluar is fool's gold, IMHO.  I like George as a draft pick, though.  

If we're going to suck, we should just suck, and get it over with; no half measures.

I agree, though, that if we're going to rebuild, then Doc will probably leave.  He's an excellent manager of people, and veteran player's coach, but not a great young-team coach.

[MF Doom]

Rebuilding is going to take more than a year for us to get back to the finals. So why not let older players who are rapidly declining walk and pick up players like A.Randolph and George and hopefully develop them into possibly good/great players.
I dont see where you are coming from with Morrow though. He'll never be an allstar or anything but he compliments Rondos game as a shooter, as well as Randolph who could run the floor

[Jon]

Doc isn't going to be around for rebuilding, but him leaving this year or the year or the year after that won't really matter.  If there's even a shot this team can win a title next year, we might as well keep him around.  With KG's salary, we won't be able to even start to think about rebuilding until the 2011-2012 season anyway. 

[PosImpos]

My dream starting 5 for next year:
Rondo
Anthony Morrow
Paul George
Anthony Randolph
Kevin Garnett

with Baby and TA and (filler) off the bench

boy, that team would be baaaaaad.

Morrow can shoot and rebound a little but that's basically it...Randolph and George might be real good some day but they aren't now.  Garnett would be a mixed bag playing center, I think.

[Who]

My dream starting 5 for next year:
Rondo
Anthony Morrow
Paul George
Anthony Randolph
Kevin Garnett

with Baby and TA and (filler) off the bench

boy, that team would be baaaaaad.

Morrow can shoot and rebound a little but that's basically it...Randolph and George might be real good some day but they aren't now.  Garnett would be a mixed bag playing center, I think.

My thinking on that team is ...

(1) Anthony Morrow is an equal to Ray Allen.

(2) Paul George is very likely to be a solid role player next season. A worthy 25-30 minute a night player.

(3) Rajon Rondo would blow up in a huge way ... he'd see way more of the basketball and would be playing in an uptempo team full of athletes and finishers. A good bet for 15-17ppg + 10-12apg + 5rpg + 2.5spg.

(4) Anthony Randolph is a very poor defender but I think he'd become a decent one by year's end after playing on this team alongside these players + getting big minutes + playing for a good defensive coach. I also think he'd be good for 16-17ppg + 10rpg a night in 35 minutes or so a game.

If Randolph had of been given the minutes he deserved last season, then I would have expected him to be a slightly above average defender from early on next season. The Warriors are truly screwing up this kid's development with the way they are treating him.

(5) Kevin Garnett would be similar to what he's done this season. Placing him at center would be a tempo changer and suit this unit of players perfectly.

That starting lineup + a solid bench (12th-17th best in the league) should win somewhere in the high 40s. A strong bench could get them into the low 50s.

I think this would be a well rounded team that would be good offensively + slightly above average defensively + good-to-very good on the backboards. A nightmare to defend in transition.

[EJPLAYA]

The only way that this would be for the best is if they feel that Thibodeau is the successor and they fear they will lose him this offseason. I am not sure that he is really the answer though, but would trust Danny's judgement on that. I think Doc would bow out gracefully and be happy that he left to spend more time with his family if this were the case.

[tenn_smoothie]

definitely think these guys need a new voice in their ears - a tougher voice at that.

say, a chuck dailey type guy who could deal with the vets well but be demanding at the same time.

the lineup also needs a shakeup. we may have to take a step back for a couple of years in hopes of adding a couple of key additions in the near future that would allow rondo and perk to after a banner.