Rondo 15TO's, Perk 16TO's

[slamtheking]

But, with all that being said, he still managed to block more shots a game in this series (in less minutes) than Kendrick "The Defensive Beast" Perkins.

Actually, Perkins had a fraction more blocks per game than Jermaine O'Neal in the series despite having zero minutes against BBD.

Touche

[Fafnir]

I thought Perkins did a great job of playing O'Neal strong in the post. Then when he faced up he got real close and forced O'Neal to change his delivery to more of an arc. Very good defense one on one.

His help defense wasn't great all the time, and the TOs need to be cleaned up. But that's a problem for all of the C's.

[twinbree]

Defensively I thought Perk had a good series. He struggled on offense but I think (or hope) part of that was trying to take advantage of our size in the paint and forcing the issue a bit so we won't be looking to him as much on offense from here on.
 
But yeah the team and Perk in particular definitely need to cut down on the turnovers. I can't even imagine how good our offense could be with the possessions we've lost to turnovers.

[wdleehi]

Defensively I thought Perk had a good series. He struggled on offense but I think (or hope) part of that was trying to take advantage of our size in the paint and forcing the issue a bit so we won't be looking to him as much on offense from here on.
 
But yeah the team and Perk in particular definitely need to cut down on the turnovers. I can't even imagine how good our offense could be with the possessions we've lost to turnovers.

I think Perk does better against bigger less athletic front lines.  He doesn't gather himself as often and the hands trying to strip the ball are quite as quick.   

[BballTim]

Not to boast, but I was pointing out all of these flaws in Perk's game on this board a few months ago, and everyone brushed me off. Now it looks like it's becoming fashionable to criticize his game.

  It's always fashionable around here to focus more on offense than on defense. Miami's center, who shot 53% from the field and averaged 14 points a game, was 9-44 from the field, averaged 4 points a game, and was a non-factor offensively for the entire series. Perk's "unfashionable" play means a lot to the team, despite your boasting.

  BTW, some of those turnovers were from setting picks and three second violations. They weren't all when Perk had the ball.

O'neal missed a ridiculous amount of wide open jumpers. You act like Perk was in his jersey all game. Give me a break! Jermaine O'neal is banged up, past his prime, and in a shooting slump. But, with all that being said, he still managed to block more shots a game in this series (in less minutes) than Kendrick "The Defensive Beast" Perkins.





And, by the way, a turnover is a turnover; it doesn't matter if Perk loses us a possession because he can't count to three or because he still doesn't know how to set a screen.

  Wasn't O'Neill "past his prime" when he put up much better numbers during the regular season, or did this all occur in mid-April? And not only did JO have 1 less block than Perk, but I'm pretty sure that almost half of his blocks for the series came in one quarter against BBD.

  And, yes, a turnover is a turnover. But the 3 second calls come when we overpass.

[papa shuttlesworth]

While I hope that Perk can cut down on the turnovers (and I wonder how many of Perk and KG's turnovers this series are from moving picks), it is not so bad.

I think Perkin's passing in Game 2 helped fuel the win.  He appears to be less of a black hole on offense and is looking to pass more.  Because he is a center and not a point guard, he obviously is not as good of a passer as Rondo and will have more turnovers.  Still,  I'd argue that Perk looking to pass sometimes is a net positive for the team, even if he messes up sometimes.

(Although, after saying all of that, I think most of his turnovers are not from passing but from picks, travels and 3 second calls.  But passing is still good.)

[Greenbean]

Not to boast, but I was pointing out all of these flaws in Perk's game on this board a few months ago, and everyone brushed me off. Now it looks like it's becoming fashionable to criticize his game.

  It's always fashionable around here to focus more on offense than on defense. Miami's center, who shot 53% from the field and averaged 14 points a game, was 9-44 from the field, averaged 4 points a game, and was a non-factor offensively for the entire series. Perk's "unfashionable" play means a lot to the team, despite your boasting.

  BTW, some of those turnovers were from setting picks and three second violations. They weren't all when Perk had the ball.

O'neal missed a ridiculous amount of wide open jumpers. You act like Perk was in his jersey all game. Give me a break! Jermaine O'neal is banged up, past his prime, and in a shooting slump. But, with all that being said, he still managed to block more shots a game in this series (in less minutes) than Kendrick "The Defensive Beast" Perkins.





And, by the way, a turnover is a turnover; it doesn't matter if Perk loses us a possession because he can't count to three or because he still doesn't know how to set a screen.

No way. Oneal missed alot of contested jumpers. Perk was great in one on one defense in the post this series. One game Doc called him the best player on the floor and last night I saw him protecting the paint quite well blocking a couple of Beasley and DWade shots emphatically. Perk had an outstanding series even though he turned the ball over offensively. If you cant see or appreciate that I am sorry you missed out on a solid series from our big guy. He will be counted on to do the same thing against the Cavs.

If we do not have to double the Center (Shaq), it will be huge, much like it was last year against Dwight Howard.

[Brendan]

Why is everyone so worked about Shaq - we have Kryptonite - an element from the same planet of LSU, that makes his thumb feeble. I expect BBD to take Shaq out - again. And then maybe go after LBJ's elbow.

[Bankshot]

Why is everyone so worked about Shaq - we have Kryptonite - an element from the same planet of LSU, that makes his thumb feeble. I expect BBD to take Shaq out - again. And then maybe go after LBJ's elbow.

I hope Baby doesn't take Shaq out.  Cleveland play better with Shaq on the bench.  So I want Shaq in the game.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Early in my bball days I was taught to play PF/C at basketball camps. The FIRST thing they corrected was that I should never put the ball on the floor when I'm next to the hoop because it is liable to be stolen.  Instead, I was taught to quickly go back up with it, especially after an offensive rebound. 

How has the coaching staff not corrected this?  It bugs me every time I see Perkins do this, which is every single game.  That one thing alone cost him close to 80 turnovers this past season.

[Chris]

I have been making this point elsewhere, but this seems to be the thread for it. 

The numbers don't even tell the whole story.  I counted 4 series in the first 5+ minutes last night where Perk cost the C's a possession.  And that was not an aberation.  This is not even counting him taking the ball down, and then getting blocked.

He has majorly regressed, and it looks to me like it is in his head.  If he does not fix this, so he is no longer a liability, it is going to force the other C's to put up a herculean effort not to even get blown out.

His defense is great...but if he is causing turnovers, or bad shots, then he can't do much about Lebron running free in the open court over the long rebound or steal.

[KungPoweChicken]

Not to boast, but I was pointing out all of these flaws in Perk's game on this board a few months ago, and everyone brushed me off. Now it looks like it's becoming fashionable to criticize his game.

  It's always fashionable around here to focus more on offense than on defense. Miami's center, who shot 53% from the field and averaged 14 points a game, was 9-44 from the field, averaged 4 points a game, and was a non-factor offensively for the entire series. Perk's "unfashionable" play means a lot to the team, despite your boasting.

  BTW, some of those turnovers were from setting picks and three second violations. They weren't all when Perk had the ball.

O'neal missed a ridiculous amount of wide open jumpers. You act like Perk was in his jersey all game. Give me a break! Jermaine O'neal is banged up, past his prime, and in a shooting slump. But, with all that being said, he still managed to block more shots a game in this series (in less minutes) than Kendrick "The Defensive Beast" Perkins.





And, by the way, a turnover is a turnover; it doesn't matter if Perk loses us a possession because he can't count to three or because he still doesn't know how to set a screen.

  Wasn't O'Neill "past his prime" when he put up much better numbers during the regular season, or did this all occur in mid-April? And not only did JO have 1 less block than Perk, but I'm pretty sure that almost half of his blocks for the series came in one quarter against BBD.

  And, yes, a turnover is a turnover. But the 3 second calls come when we overpass.

Have you never heard of a shooting slump? O'neal just sucked out there. It had less to do with "great defense" and more to do with sucking.

[kozlodoev]

Have you never heard of a shooting slump? O'neal just sucked out there. It had less to do with "great defense" and more to do with sucking.

So how do you differentiate "great defense" from a "shooting slump"?!

[j804]

Have you never heard of a shooting slump? O'neal just sucked out there. It had less to do with "great defense" and more to do with sucking.

So how do you differentiate "great defense" from a "shooting slump"?!

You cant, but Perk played great D no doubt about it. Huge reason Oneal struggled defense is Perks bread and butter.

[Fafnir]

Have you never heard of a shooting slump? O'neal just sucked out there. It had less to do with "great defense" and more to do with sucking.

So how do you differentiate "great defense" from a "shooting slump"?!

That's subjective in large part, unless we all can sit down for a group Celticsblog film session.