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Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2010, 11:15:27 PM »

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Cavs have the better superstar and a better supporting cast.  

Lebron is no way better than Wade. He can't play any better than Wade did. Is he going to avg 40 against he Celtics? No. However, he does have a vastly better supporting cast.

You really think Lebron is no better than Wade?

Answer, No. Wade as good as Lebron.

All I know is, he can't possibly play any better than Wade had. Wade put up ridiculous numbers against us. He can match it. I doubt he can surpass it.



Lebron can score like Wade just did, with more rebounds, assists, and defense.

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Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2010, 11:20:10 PM »

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I don't see the teams as similar. Clev has a lot of quality players, including 2 borderline all stars in Mo and Antawn. Shaq is far superior to JO, and Varejao bothers us like no one on Miami can.

Though Lebron is better than Wade, I don't think that his being better is a big issue. What IS a big issue is Lebron's better conditioning. Lebron will not wear down the way Wade did. Lebron is also a more dynamic player.

Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2010, 11:30:38 PM »

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Yes, Cleveland is a much much better version of Miami.  The only player that could help the Cavs from Miami is Wade.  Every player on the Cavs is better than their Miami counterpart (outside of Parker and Wade).

Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2010, 11:36:13 PM »

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I think they are. They are much better all around. But they still have just one main cog.

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Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2010, 11:39:18 PM »

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Cleveland is to Miami as Boston is to Chicago.

Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2010, 11:44:01 PM »

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Cleveland is to Miami as Boston is to Chicago.
Hmmm ... I think it's more like, Cleveland is to Miami as Boston is to New York

Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2010, 11:46:42 PM »

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Cavs have the better superstar and a better supporting cast.  

Lebron is no way better than Wade. He can't play any better than Wade did. Is he going to avg 40 against he Celtics? No. However, he does have a vastly better supporting cast.

You really think Lebron is no better than Wade?

Answer, No. Wade as good as Lebron.

All I know is, he can't possibly play any better than Wade had. Wade put up ridiculous numbers against us. He can match it. I doubt he can surpass it.



Lebron can score like Wade just did, with more rebounds, assists, and defense.

LeBron can put up much better numbers than Wade did like Roy said, more rebounds, assists, and defense.  I truly believe LeBron can definitely surpass it, but I'm definitely hoping and praying he doesn't, and I don't think he will.

 Also did Wade average 40 against us... NO?

LeBron is better than Wade, just look at the two's physical attributes and their all around stats.  

This does not mean we cannot contain LeBron and slow him down, and force his teammates to have to try and beat us, because I believe we very much can and will!
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Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2010, 11:57:28 PM »

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Cleveland is much much better than Miami. Miami has no credible big guys.

Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2010, 12:00:21 AM »

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Not to discount Cleveland's status as one of the best team's in the game, but I think they are Miami on steroids.  True, Miami has no miniature Shaq, but the meat of Cleveland's attack is Lebron and his 3-point shooting sidekicks, with a better-than-Haslem hustling big in Varejo.  Jamison and Beasley aren't exactly 2 peas in a pod but neither seem able to provide a credible 2 to Lebron's 1.   PG play is comparable.  

I think Shaq/Z provides a little something Miami doesn't have, but I actually like Kendrick on Shaq.  After watching Wade for 5 games, I am not any more scared of Lebron than I am of Dwyane (well, maybe a little).  

Don't get me wrong, Cleveland is a much better team than Miami, but bottom line is that Lebron, like Wade, has to trust his teammates and trusting them is a little bit dangerous. We'll see another one man show as needed in the next series. And I hope it's needed because, like Wade, Lebron can win games on his own, but not a series -- against the Celtics. 

I was thinking the same thing earlier:

The Heat are kind of a junior varsity version of the Cavs so it does make for an interesting extrapolation.  Just about every player in the Heat rotation is a poor man's version of a Cav's counterpart.  Arroyo's a homeless man's Mo Williams, Wade is a solid approximation of LeBron, Q-Rich and Parker are the 3-point shooting journeymen, the O'Neals are washed-up scoring big men, Jamison and Beasley are the stretch 4s who are supposed to pick up the scoring slack for their dominant wings, Haslem and Varejao are the hustle-oriented rebounding bench bigs, Wright and Moon are the elite athletes who mostly just shoot 3s and Chalmers and West are the inconsistent combo-guards who theoretically provide scoring and playmaking off the bench.  Heck, even Magloire and Z are both ex-all star sloth big men.

Offensively, I think we should have similar success against the Cavs as we have against the Heat.  The Cavs have the same problems denying pick and roll penetration, perhaps even moreso than the Heat, with Shaq/Z seeing significant time.  KG will again enjoy a significant height/post-up advantage at the 4.  Ray and Paul's averages against the Cavs this season are nearly identical to their production thus far in the playoffs. 

Defensively is where our success vs Miami is harder to project.  Playing against Wade is a nice prep for playing against Bron, but LeBron's slightly more dangerous, and unlike, Wade, he has 2 excellent 3-point shooters to pass to in Mo Williams and Anthony Parker (as opposed to one for Wade), as well as 2 consistent secondary scorers in Williams and Jamison, compared to none for Wade (JO shooting under 20%, Beasley wildly inconsistent).

The defense we're throwing at Wade involves heavy overplays that Jamison and Mo Williams would make us pay for.

Still, if Baby continues to show that he can rebound and play quick-footed help defense and we get KG for 35 minutes per night, I think we'll be able to a passing imitation of our defensive performance vs the Heat, and thus we'll have a decent chance.

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Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2010, 12:18:41 AM »

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Cleveland is a lot better than Miami. They're stacked at every position. We need to play near perfect basketball in order to beat them in a seven game series. I really feel we should salvage a split in the first two games in order to have a chance in this series.

Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2010, 01:57:20 AM »

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They're JUST like Miami, except better in pretty much every way.

So not really like Miami at all.

Don't kid yourselves, guys.  While Dwyane Wade is a very good player, LeBron is a good deal better in pretty much every way, especially shooting. 

Also, while TA could at least somewhat contain Wade for stretches, the Celtics don't really have a player who matches up well with LeBron.  Pierce is the closest thing we have.
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Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2010, 02:02:57 AM »

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Cavs have the better superstar and a better supporting cast.  

Lebron is no way better than Wade. He can't play any better than Wade did. Is he going to avg 40 against he Celtics? No. However, he does have a vastly better supporting cast.

You really think Lebron is no better than Wade?

Answer, No. Wade as good as Lebron.

All I know is, he can't possibly play any better than Wade had. Wade put up ridiculous numbers against us. He can match it. I doubt he can surpass it.



Lebron doesn't have to put up the gaudy numbers.  He's got a supporting cast, unlike Wade.  Lebron could very well average much points less but play near triple-double level.  

Lebron DOES average a near triple-double while putting up huge numbers.

And Lebron's a better defender at a more important defensive position.

I think that's key for the Celts in particular - Pierce may get worn out guarding (and being guarded by) Lebron, which is bad because Pierce is our go-to guy in the 4th.

Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2010, 02:04:35 AM »

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Cavs have the better superstar and a better supporting cast.  

Lebron is no way better than Wade. He can't play any better than Wade did. Is he going to avg 40 against he Celtics? No. However, he does have a vastly better supporting cast.

You really think Lebron is no better than Wade?

Answer, No. Wade as good as Lebron.

All I know is, he can't possibly play any better than Wade had. Wade put up ridiculous numbers against us. He can match it. I doubt he can surpass it.



Lebron can score like Wade just did, with more rebounds, assists, and defense.


More assists because he has, y'know, teammates and I disagree about the defense.

Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2010, 03:12:19 AM »

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Cavs have the better superstar and a better supporting cast.  

Lebron is no way better than Wade. He can't play any better than Wade did. Is he going to avg 40 against he Celtics? No. However, he does have a vastly better supporting cast.

You really think Lebron is no better than Wade?

Answer, No. Wade as good as Lebron.

All I know is, he can't possibly play any better than Wade had. Wade put up ridiculous numbers against us. He can match it. I doubt he can surpass it.



Lebron doesn't have to put up the gaudy numbers.  He's got a supporting cast, unlike Wade.  Lebron could very well average much points less but play near triple-double level.  

Lebron DOES average a near triple-double while putting up huge numbers.

And Lebron's a better defender at a more important defensive position.

I think that's key for the Celts in particular - Pierce may get worn out guarding (and being guarded by) Lebron, which is bad because Pierce is our go-to guy in the 4th.

Pierce may end up in foul trouble trying to guard Lebron. That's a double whammy for us. Him off the floor, and someone smaller covering Lebron in his absence.

Re: Is Cleveland Just a Better Version of Miami?
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2010, 04:52:58 AM »

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Again, this is where the Celtics miss the likes of James Posey, who can guard Lebron.

About the topic:
Yes,  I believe the Cavs are better than Miami. But I also believe the Celts are now better than the Cavs this playoff. And we are just starting to heat up!