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Re: Can the Celtics win another series if their Center doesn't score?
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2010, 02:31:49 PM »

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First, to answer the question:  yes, we can win.  The team is at its best when Perk is doing the dirty work, and the rest of the team is scoring.

That said, one of the things I thought was interesting in yesterday's game was that there were a few times when Perk had good position, and was calling for the ball, where Rondo just ignored him and passed around the perimeter.  When Perk has a mismatch inside, I'd prefer to see the ball fed to him.  Overall, I can't fault the game plan or Rondo's decision making, but that's one area I'd like to see improved.
Are you meaning in this series only you'd like to see that area improved or do you mean for the future plans for the team?If you mean the future,are you suggesting they look into the possibility of a different(new)center?...was it a diplomatic way of saying im not pleased with Perk's overall play for the future on this team as a starter?

I was mostly just talking about yesterday's game, and what I'd like to see going forward in the playoffs.  I'm not saying that Perk should see a lot more touches, but there were opportunities when he should have been fed the ball.

Regarding Perk's play overall, I've been a bit disappointed this year, but a lot of that is probably related to injuries.  I don't think that KP necessarily needs to be a major scoring threat, so long as he plays good defense and rebounds (which hasn't necessarily been a strength, either.)

I would like to see the team get a post presence on offense, just to give teams another look.  That doesn't necessarily need to be at the center position, but I'd like to see somebody who can consistently score down low.
Agreed...we/they need a more offensive-minded player in the low post,maybe Perk could be the backup center but i rather see Danny find a replacement as  a starting center. 

Re: Can the Celtics win another series if their Center doesn't score?
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2010, 03:05:55 PM »

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all we need from perk is good rebounding and defense.  anything beyond that is cherry on the sundae.  with sheed, we need the aforementioned things, but some offensive production inside the 3 point line (say 8 pts per game).

Re: Can the Celtics win another series if their Center doesn't score?
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2010, 03:45:13 PM »

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It seemed to me late last year and earlier this year, Perk had a decent 1 on 1 offensive game going. He had improved on his foot work and his turn around jumper in the paint. Add that with his hook shot, he had a decent 2 pet moves to go to down on the low block.

I dunno if it is his knee injury or his shoulder or what have you, but something has caused Perk to lose his footwork and make his move too quick which causes those unnecessary traveling violations.

Or it could even be mental thing. I've heard Doc talk about Perk being down on himself for failed offensive opportunities (i.e. slumped shoulders, head down etc.); this mentality could also drive Perk to do things out of his own element = making his post moves quicker resulting in travels.

For 50 games this past regular season, Perk was the 2nd best Center on a contending team. (And the most improved from last season; Dwight Howard actually regressed this past season).

Re: Can the Celtics win another series if their Center doesn't score?
« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2010, 03:47:10 PM »

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Absolutely.  A greater basketball mind than most of us told Bill Russell that he didn't care if he never scored a point.  Just protect the paint.  I know Perk is not Russell, but if his defense is on he is really good, and defense wins championships...(see Russell)...points from the center, not so much (see Chamberlain).
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Re: Can the Celtics win another series if their Center doesn't score?
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2010, 03:56:01 PM »

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This is probably said but Perk should be thinkin D on Shaq only, and if he wants points he needs to Offensively Rebound the ball and NOT put the ball back on the floor (master of getting stripped).

Re: Can the Celtics win another series if their Center doesn't score?
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2010, 04:20:26 PM »

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I think what you see is what you are going to get...Perk has reached his ceiling(imo),and thats not good enough in todays NBA..As we go into each season,the younger centers around the league will continue to get better and from what ive seen Perk is close to what he will be.I never felt he was a starter type center in the first place but with having the Big 3...(a healthy)KG's help defense  disguised Perks weaknesses at times in the past. 

  I've been hearing that Perk's reached his ceiling since he averaged 4 points and 5 boards a game. He's only 25 and despite his recent play his offensive game showed improvement this year. I don't think it's unusual for centers to still be improving at his age.
6yrs.in the league has more to do with it than a player's age...after 5yrs.you should be close what you will be.example:Al Horford from yr one to yr two we can see the maturity in his game to the point of him making the all star team.Last season Al didn't have a consistent shot,but over the summer he developed a couple low post moves that work well.
 I agree with you that Perk did come into the seson with more upside to his overall game,but it seems that he lost some of it during the regular season.

I completely agree with the "you are what you are at 5 years rule". There are very few exceptions.

Perk is what he is - which is a very very solid role player and near all NBA defensive 2nd team defense. And he is also prone to nagging injuries. Perk continues to struggle with those injuries and a lack of mobility / lift.

Re: Can the Celtics win another series if their Center doesn't score?
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2010, 04:48:33 PM »

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I think what you see is what you are going to get...Perk has reached his ceiling(imo),and thats not good enough in todays NBA..As we go into each season,the younger centers around the league will continue to get better and from what ive seen Perk is close to what he will be.I never felt he was a starter type center in the first place but with having the Big 3...(a healthy)KG's help defense  disguised Perks weaknesses at times in the past.  
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  I've been hearing that Perk's reached his ceiling since he averaged 4 points and 5 boards a game. He's only 25 and despite his recent play his offensive game showed improvement this year. I don't think it's unusual for centers to still be improving at his age.
6yrs.in the league has more to do with it than a player's age...after 5yrs.you should be close what you will be.example:Al Horford from yr one to yr two we can see the maturity in his game to the point of him making the all star team.Last season Al didn't have a consistent shot,but over the summer he developed a couple low post moves that work well.
 I agree with you that Perk did come into the seson with more upside to his overall game,but it seems that he lost some of it during the regular season.

I completely agree with the "you are what you are at 5 years rule". There are very few exceptions.

Perk is what he is - which is a very very solid role player and near all NBA defensive 2nd team defense. And he is also prone to nagging injuries. Perk continues to struggle with those injuries and a lack of mobility / lift.
Good rebounding should be a priority in the next round from the center position.If he can't score i feel he should get double digit rebounding most games.Even when D.Howard,A.Horford,Bynum aren't scoring big numbers,they usually make up for it on the boards,as most starting center should do.Perk's rebounding hasn't been that good so far,just fair for a center.There are forwards with his numbers,and to be successful aganist the top teams rebounding at a higher rate is necessary.
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