Sheed vs Williams - Glory vs Guts

[moiso]

Look, some of the posts here border on Baiting. I'll end it right there.

I did not see the entire game, but from the end of the 3rd until the end of the game, Sheed did not look bad. I cannot count for the remainder of the game.

My thing is this: I cannot defend poor effort from anyone, but from what I saw Sheed did not lose this game.

From the end of the 3rd until end of the game, Rondo missed a layup, Pierce had a turnover or two, Ray missed a few freethrows. Not Sheed.

I'll admit..Sheed's contributions this series have been minimal, but in this game he alone did not lose it.

Could Shelden have made a bigger impact? Maybe. But that's on Doc. Not Sheed.

Well, 11 minutes and zero rebounds, zero blocks.  Lazy defense.  No, I do not blame him for any losses.  He is what he is.

[BudweiserCeltic]

If the plan is to play Shelden instead of Wallace, I rather they just play Baby as the third big and leave it at that.

[GreenFaith1819]

Look, some of the posts here border on Baiting. I'll end it right there.

I did not see the entire game, but from the end of the 3rd until the end of the game, Sheed did not look bad. I cannot count for the remainder of the game.

My thing is this: I cannot defend poor effort from anyone, but from what I saw Sheed did not lose this game.

From the end of the 3rd until end of the game, Rondo missed a layup, Pierce had a turnover or two, Ray missed a few freethrows. Not Sheed.

I'll admit..Sheed's contributions this series have been minimal, but in this game he alone did not lose it.

Could Shelden have made a bigger impact? Maybe. But that's on Doc. Not Sheed.

Well, 11 minutes and zero rebounds, zero blocks.  Lazy defense.  No, I do not blame him for any losses.  He is what he is.

So what do you classify as Defense? It is more than filling up stats.

[moiso]

Look, some of the posts here border on Baiting. I'll end it right there.

I did not see the entire game, but from the end of the 3rd until the end of the game, Sheed did not look bad. I cannot count for the remainder of the game.

My thing is this: I cannot defend poor effort from anyone, but from what I saw Sheed did not lose this game.

From the end of the 3rd until end of the game, Rondo missed a layup, Pierce had a turnover or two, Ray missed a few freethrows. Not Sheed.

I'll admit..Sheed's contributions this series have been minimal, but in this game he alone did not lose it.

Could Shelden have made a bigger impact? Maybe. But that's on Doc. Not Sheed.

Well, 11 minutes and zero rebounds, zero blocks.  Lazy defense.  No, I do not blame him for any losses.  He is what he is.

So what do you classify as Defense? It is more than filling up stats.

Getting in the way of guys trying to score.  He didn't.

[vinnie]

It shocks me that anyone can defend what is definitely the worst signing made by Danny since coming to the Celtics (and yes, I was in favor of it when it happened). Sheed almost never rebounds or tries to rebound and only occasionally moves to play defense -- his usual move is to get a lazy reach-in foul after the guy has gone by him. He is a total waste of space on the Celtics' bench.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Really? Another Sheed hating thread?  I didn't care a ton for his defense tonight, but he's not the reason for the loss.  And the only 3 I saw him take was b/c the shot clock was expiring and he rolled off a pick out there.. it was the play, not him. 

What occurred to me this game was that we are sorely lacking a consistent big off the bench.  One game Davis plays well, the next he's flopping around on the floor, turning the ball over, and wasting valuable shot clock time w/o making a move in the post. 

I'm fine with Sheldon getting some minutes this series, but against Cleveland I'd still prefer Sheed.

[Spilling Green Dye]

If the plan is to play Shelden instead of Wallace, I rather they just play Baby as the third big and leave it at that.

I'm sure no-one dare mention that Davis had a worse plus minus than Sheed, and worse than anyone on the team tonight.   Funny, he also had the worst +/- of anyone on the team for the ENTIRE SEASON.

No Thanks on Davis getting more minutes.  He'll play well one game, and suck the next. 

I checked the boxscore and I don't know how Rasheed didn't have any rebounds b/c I distincly recall him getting one.  He played good man-to-man D, but his rotations were weak for sure.  I just wish we had a good big man off the bench.

[housecall]

It shocks me that anyone can defend what is definitely the worst signing made by Danny since coming to the Celtics (and yes, I was in favor of it when it happened). Sheed almost never rebounds or tries to rebound and only occasionally moves to play defense -- his usual move is to get a lazy reach-in foul after the guy has gone by him. He is a total waste of space on the Celtics' bench.

I have to agree with you here but i was never fully onboard for the Sheldon pickup either.If a guy was on the end of Minny's bench at one time,why would anyone think he could be a decent role player for the Celtics?So it was a double bust in my opinion.tp

[Onslaught]

Sheed is not the reason Boston lost this game.

He also did NOTHING to help them in anyway today. Nothing. Zero.

I also don't think it was a bad pick-up by Danny. He didn't have all that much to pick from. On paper it looked good and the other players wanted him. As it turn out however he stinks. Bad.
So just don't play him unless you have no choice.

[vinnie]

I am also not a huge Glenn Davis fan, but he has at least shown signs of life this year. Sheed has been on life support all year and has never breathed on his own. Yes, I know, he had like two good games out of 82, great. The guy is a bust and simply either does not try or cannot try anymore. Of course he was not the reason the Celtics lost today. However, think of this. If he actually contributed something on the floor, like a rebound here or there, or putting his arms up on defense, maybe the team would have had a better chance to win.

[ben]

I love Sheed and one bad game doesn't change that. 

It looked like the entire bench was terrible today anyway.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well it is an easy answer for me...SHELDON for sure...I hate that he hasn't gotten in yet......but not just for a quick 5 minutes...you need to put him in, and get HIM INVOLVED...like some real passes to him...like they would do to any other player...I have watched the C's players "look him down" meaning he was open on the block when they had the ball, and they loooked at him, then look away and pass to anyone else...that is bs..and shouldn't be tolerated by ANY coach..i have seen sheldon dunk, post up score (12 in 12 vs SA) and get some great "O" rebounds...I don't see many Celtics running to get in the paint when a Celtic shoots..they usually turn and run for the D end.....that is how you lose, no hustle, no effort, no desire...sheed rarely hoes beyond either 3 point line, lazy, out of shape...just wants to get paid and go home...you tell me..yes i know he CAN do it..if he feels like going down low..i like him on the block, but like Antoine Walker, he don't wanna be there..! Too much like work!!!! Shelodon is more than the poor mans leon..play him and you'll see...Tommy H saw it, said it...i have seen plenty good from him, with out much quality playing time.....What has sheed done...? since when..? rebounds...haha, none, points, blocks, assists...what..? Sheldon is the missing link, the BLUE COLLAR CELTIC that does what no one else wnts to do, constantly hustle, and rebound, his free throws are very good also, and HE CAN DUNK, flat footed jump from underneath, unlike perk or BBD...!!!

[GreenFaith1819]

It shocks me that anyone can defend what is definitely the worst signing made by Danny since coming to the Celtics (and yes, I was in favor of it when it happened). Sheed almost never rebounds or tries to rebound and only occasionally moves to play defense -- his usual move is to get a lazy reach-in foul after the guy has gone by him. He is a total waste of space on the Celtics' bench.

Vinnie: TP for the discussion.

What shocks me is that The Celtics still have life in them, but yet we are ready to call the Sheed signing a Bust.

So far from what we've seen he hasn't been great.

But neither has McDyess. Nor Gooden.

Matt Barnes and Brandon Bass have been solid additions for ORL, but we know that Danny didn't want another 6'7" or 6'8" player.

The Celtics will more than likely win on Tues. Wade will put up a valiant effort, but we should prevail. We'll meet CLE by end of the week, in CLE, and then I think we should start evaluating Sheed.

If he plays in such a way that it is a detriment to the team, then the criticism is warranted, But Only After:

We question Doc's substitutions. Or Pierce handling the ball too much. Just using examples here.

The general consensus is true: Yes Sheed was expected to have a big splash at signing, and in that respect I think he has shown flashes, but not consistently.

But Again: Neither has Dice or Gooden.

I will not bring up the games that he has had a great impact, because I know that I will be targeted for it.

Again - good discussion from all, but that's how I see things.

[EJPLAYA]

In the last few minutes we have KG and Ray miss 5 free throws, Rondo miss a wide open layup, yet an 11 minute stint by Sheed is what people are choosing to whine about?! The starters came out and weren't prepared to play (somehow I have heard that theme this year before), TA and BBD come out and do absolutely nothing, and yet Sheed and his 11 minutes were the problem?! Some of you really hate Sheed, or don't know basketball at all. One of the two...

[Eja117]

I have no problem with the people that say Shelden is a bad player.

The problem is that Shelden doesn't make players around him worse, and Sheed does.

Shelden doesn't single handedly lose hard fought games. Sheed does, routinely, then complains to and about refs, bringing more ref hate on the Celts (which of course makes it harder for Shelden)

Shelden sometimes doesn't help win a game, but doesn't lose them.

Sheed is Toine, but not as likeable and not as thankful for his talent. He's basically a disrespect to the game