Sheed by the numbers tonight

[xmuscularghandix]

He's going down to the post and getting denied. If they put shooters out there (Finley, Ray) the floor will spread and he can dominate if that a matchup that we like.

[nickagneta]

In 2 games, the man who was signed to be this team's difference making sixth man in the playoffs, Rasheed Wallace, has averaged 5 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 0.5 blocks, a +/- of -4 while shooting 43% from the field.

Which means he was +7 in Game 1, fourth best on the team, and better than four of the starters. 

Actually it means he was a +4 in Game 1. I said he was averaging a -4. Times 2 games that's a -8 total. 

And, yeah, I'm glad Davis is getting the PT too. I always have liked him and thought he has gotten a terrible rap by some on this board. Of course, the Tony Allen supporters probably feel the same way.

[GreenFaith1819]

Like moiso said there is no stat for effort. As for the Tony comparison that's not fair. Tony worked his tail off to even see time on the floor. Sheed had his given to him. People rightfully question Tonys head & mental capabilities/decision making. (which is spot on although I'm a Tony supporter) Sheeds head isn't questioned his effort is. That's opposite of Tony. Correct me if wrong on this but I also am under the impression Sheed is making more money than Tony. And doing less to earn it. Last I checked Tony won sixth man of the year award for the C's not Sheed.

A guy who openly admits to taking it easy during the regular season to save energy & effort for the playoffs ( which we have yet to see mind you ) just rubs me the wrong way. It's one of the reasons so many people are turned off by the modern NBA. Can't say I blame them although I love it. I can see their point on guys like this.

Here's the real question tho. How many of you can openly go up to your boss & tell him. "Hey I'm gonna take it easy the first part of the quarter so I can try harder towards the end. Or I'm gonna take it easy this morning so I can really turn it on after lunch." I know I don't go to work at a place like that. Quite frankly I wouldn't want to. Maybe you guys do tho. I'd stand corrected if you did work in a place like that.

Well, it's funny you mention Effort.

That word has been spread around about the Celtics in General this year..not just Sheed.

And for the TA comparison, it's very fair, IMO. It appeared as if he was a scapegoat for a while here. Now that he has matured and has been healthy most of the season, he has been more consistent. I'm truly happy for TA.

Right now, especially for this thread, Sheed is the Big Target, though....the Source of the Celtics Ills This Season.

TA has been relieved of that Burden.

And God Forbid if the Celtics do not make it past CLE (or even MIA), this will all fall back on Rasheed Wallace, which isn't fair.

[Roy Hobbs]

In 2 games, the man who was signed to be this team's difference making sixth man in the playoffs, Rasheed Wallace, has averaged 5 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 0.5 blocks, a +/- of -4 while shooting 43% from the field.

Which means he was +7 in Game 1, fourth best on the team, and better than four of the starters. 

Actually it means he was a +4 in Game 1. I said he was averaging a -4. Times 2 games that's a -8 total. 

Your math is right, but according to ESPN, your numbers are wrong:  http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300417002 

According to that, Rasheed was a +7.  In other words, it's hard to draw conclusions about a guy's play based upon +/-, especially over a one game sample.

[nickagneta]

In 2 games, the man who was signed to be this team's difference making sixth man in the playoffs, Rasheed Wallace, has averaged 5 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 0.5 blocks, a +/- of -4 while shooting 43% from the field.

Which means he was +7 in Game 1, fourth best on the team, and better than four of the starters. 

Actually it means he was a +4 in Game 1. I said he was averaging a -4. Times 2 games that's a -8 total. 

Your math is right, but according to ESPN, your numbers are wrong:  http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300417002 

According to that, Rasheed was a +7.  In other words, it's hard to draw conclusions about a guy's play based upon +/-, especially over a one game sample.

Being on vacation makes 7's into 4's. You didn't know that Roy? 

[Jon]

While I hate to defend him given his lackadaisical play this year, I'll at least defend his size and talent.  Quite frankly, I'm with every one of you who wishes he played with Big Baby's passion.  However, regardless of that fact, we may indeed need him if we hope to advance against teams like Cleveland, Orlando, and L.A. 

I just hope, whether it's through better plays or him simply getting his butt in gear, he starts to play like he's capable.  Because for as much as BBD tries, his best effort may not be enough if we hope to win #18.  We may need Sheed to be Sheed. 

[nickagneta]

CelticsHooligan:

What about the Christmas Day Game? Game in San Antonio? Game in Toronto when Sheed Torched Bosh for like 29pts and 7 or 8 boards in KG's absence?

Yes TA had a lot to do with the Christmas Day game, but we would be 47-35 without Sheeds' "Effort" in those three games.

There are probably quite a few more games that he has helped us win, too.

You don't see anything positive in Sheed?

GF, Rasheed has played in 81 games thus far in his Celtic career. Pointing out 2 or 3 games in which Rasheed has played well to show that he has the ability to suddenly completely change around what has been a season full of games of tremendous lack of effort and production is a little like saying "Hey, it's hit 80 degrees in January in Boston 2 or 3 times in the last 81 years so I have faith that it will hit 80 degrees one day in January next year." Yeah, it's happened. But clearly the evidence is more predominant that it's not going to.

I can go back and point to 2 or 3 games that Pervis Ellison and Mikki Moore and Gerald Green and Mark Blount had in their Celtics careers but that doesn't mean that come the end of their years here I expected them to suddenly play like that to help the team win games. I expected what I saw them do most every night they played, not the game they played 2 or three times every 81 times they were on the floor.

Do I want Rasheed to be the Rasheed of 2004? You bet you ass I do!! Will I settle for him being the Rasheed of 2006 or 2007? Oh, hell yeah!! But do I have faith to believe he can do that anymore? No. Not at all. The preponderance of the evidence is to the contrary. I'll hope and pray, but in my life, that's never really made too much of a difference.

[GreenFaith1819]

Nick, you make a good point, just like a few others here have.

My thing is to see how this Post Season unfolds. I still believe that Danny did the right thing in bringing him here. I have not questioned you (or CelticsHooligan or anyone else) about their dislike of Sheed, nor do I blame any of you.

But he is here...all 6'11" of him. I know that Dwight will be on the lookout for him if we meet. Shaq will pay attention, too..especially as Sheed drags him (or Varejao) out of that paint to contest his Threes.

This season has been a Long one, the longest NBA season for me in recent memory. I am just waiting to see how it unfolds.

Danny signed the man to 2 yrs (3rd yr optional, I believe correct me if I'm wrong), so I'd say that Danny has plans for him.

I'll certainly Man Up and state that I was wrong if this thing doesn't turn out well, but until then Sheed still has an opportunity to prove that Danny made the right choice.

Danny hasn't made too many mistakes here.

[incoherent]

Hopefully Baby playing this well will light some sort of fire for 'sheed.

At this point I'm gonna be positive and hope that he cant be worse then he already has been.

[FatjohnReturns]

"as Sheed drags him (or Varejao) out of that paint to contest his Threes"

God I hope this is not Doc's gameplan.

[GreenFaith1819]

"as Sheed drags him (or Varejao) out of that paint to contest his Threes"

God I hope this is not Doc's gameplan.

C'mon man you know what I mean.

[FatjohnReturns]

"as Sheed drags him (or Varejao) out of that paint to contest his Threes"

God I hope this is not Doc's gameplan.

C'mon man you know what I mean.

lol your right. sorry

[GreenFaith1819]

"as Sheed drags him (or Varejao) out of that paint to contest his Threes"

God I hope this is not Doc's gameplan.

C'mon man you know what I mean.

lol your right. sorry

I can certainly see how that statement of mine could be Hilarious, being that Sheed hasn't really lit it up from Three-Land this year, but I'm Hoping, Man. .

No matter how comical it may seem, I promise you this:

No opponent will leave him alone at the three-pt line. Even if they put a guard on him, he is a threat from there.

[FatjohnReturns]

"as Sheed drags him (or Varejao) out of that paint to contest his Threes"

God I hope this is not Doc's gameplan.

C'mon man you know what I mean.

lol your right. sorry

I can certainly see how that statement of mine could be Hilarious, being that Sheed hasn't really lit it up from Three-Land this year, but I'm Hoping, Man. .

No matter how comical it may seem, I promise you this:

No opponent will leave him alone at the three-pt line. Even if they put a guard on him, he is a threat from there.

"as Sheed drags him (or Varejao) out of that paint to contest his Threes"

God I hope this is not Doc's gameplan.

C'mon man you know what I mean.

lol your right. sorry

I can certainly see how that statement of mine could be Hilarious, being that Sheed hasn't really lit it up from Three-Land this year, but I'm Hoping, Man. .

No matter how comical it may seem, I promise you this:

No opponent will leave him alone at the three-pt line. Even if they put a guard on him, he is a threat from there.

Nah a 3ptr from Rasheed is no threat. Opposing teams probably game plan to leave Rasheed alone outside. This year Rasheed has the distinction of being one of 11 players alltime with 300 attempts and shot less than 30%.

[nickagneta]

"as Sheed drags him (or Varejao) out of that paint to contest his Threes"

God I hope this is not Doc's gameplan.

C'mon man you know what I mean.

lol your right. sorry

I can certainly see how that statement of mine could be Hilarious, being that Sheed hasn't really lit it up from Three-Land this year, but I'm Hoping, Man. .

No matter how comical it may seem, I promise you this:

No opponent will leave him alone at the three-pt line. Even if they put a guard on him, he is a threat from there.

Actually, I think teams are going to gladly, slack off of Rasheed at the three point line and clog the lane in hopes of letting him take a three pointer. Coaches play the numbers. From within 15 feet, Wallace is shooting an eFG% of 53%(53% FG%). From outside the three point line, he's shooting an eFG% of 42%(28% FG%). I expect to see defenses sag off him like crazy around the three point line.