Sheed by the numbers tonight

[Boris Badenov]

Somehow Sheed's +/- ended up at minus-12 for the evening. Yep, that's right: minus-12 in a 29-point blowout, meaning that the Celtics outscored the Heat by 41 in the 27 minutes without Sheed, and were outscored by 12 in the 21 minutes with him.

Someone may want to inform him that while "Ball don't lie," it is also true that "plus/minus don't lie."

[jimmehx]

But plus minus DOES lie. It's been proven as a poor indicator.

[Redz]

But plus minus DOES lie. It's been proven as a poor indicator.

Agreed.  But it is a little shocking tonight regardless.

[rav123]

Somehow Sheed's +/- ended up at minus-12 for the evening. Yep, that's right: minus-12 in a 29-point blowout, meaning that the Celtics outscored the Heat by 41 in the 27 minutes without Sheed, and were outscored by 12 in the 21 minutes with him.

Someone may want to inform him that while "Ball don't lie," it is also true that "plus/minus don't lie."

He just got on at an unfortunate time(s) when Miami were on a run. Not really his fault.

Perkins had a +41. Is he our MVP now. +/- only works if you consider variables like 1) was it against starters or second string 2) was it against unfavourable matchup i.e. Bryant or Wade 3)was the plus/minus due to him or the other 4. It is especially useless in one game sample. Overall average plus/minus is better.

[Boris Badenov]

But plus minus DOES lie. It's been proven as a poor indicator.

Which flaw in plus/minus, specifically, would explain away Sheed's performance? I was actually reporting his net, so it simply wasn't that he was in a game that the team lost. He was replacing Glen Davis, so the "player he replaced is much better/worse than average" argument doesn't fly. And the small sample argument is bunk too - he played almost half the game.

And the "he was in when Miami was on a run" story seems flawed too. No one else had a number worse than minus-4!

Look, I'm not arguing that it says anything about him overall as a player. I'm just saying that his performance was awful tonight. It is extremely unusual to see a differential like that.

[vinnie]

It really did not matter, but Sheed was the only Celtic who really was awful tonight. Twice he had a chance to get a rebound and did not bother jumping. Another time it seemed he was unable to move to catch a high pass to him that went out of bounds. Maybe he felt he did not have to try in the second half since the Celts were up by so many. 

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, Sheed will be there for us when needed. We still have many games to play until June.

Glen had us covered tonight.

[Brendan]

Sheed played very little early in the game due to fouls. The rest of his minutes were at junk time at the end. I think the raw +/- is deceptive here. Even if he was terrible tonight.

[nickagneta]

Leading up to the playoffs, one of the defenses of the chances of the Celtics flipping the switch was that Rasheed was a savvy vet that wasn't lazy but was pacing himself through the season so he could go all out in the playoffs and be that defensive, rebounding veteran presence we need.

Now, if Rasheed was reading those posts on this site and decided to purposefully make people who wrote these things look bad by purposefully trying to play bad to disprove the point being made, he couldn't be doing a better job of it than he is right now.

In 2 games, the man who was signed to be this team's difference making sixth man in the playoffs, Rasheed Wallace, has averaged 5 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 0.5 blocks, a +/- of -4 while shooting 43% from the field.

That's pathetic for a guy who was signed to be a difference making player in the playoffs. He is slowly proving to be one of Danny's worst signings.

[Rondo_is_better]

By any measure, he was terrible, as he usually is.

[Boris Badenov]

Sheed played very little early in the game due to fouls. The rest of his minutes were at junk time at the end. I think the raw +/- is deceptive here. Even if he was terrible tonight.

He played 7 minutes in the first half. When he entered the game the Celtics were up 15-10. When he left they were down 29-25. That is a minus-9 just in the first half.

After his exit the Celtics outscored the Heat 24-4 to close the first half.

[Onslaught]

Well, Sheed will be there for us when needed. We still have many games to play until June.

Glen had us covered tonight.

Can I ask? Needed for what? He's not been there for us all year. What's he going to do now?

Or are you being sarcastic and I didn't catch it?

[nickagneta]

Well, Sheed will be there for us when needed. We still have many games to play until June.

Glen had us covered tonight.

Can I ask? Needed for what? He's not been there for us all year. What's he going to do now?

Or are you being sarcastic and I didn't catch it?

I gotta agree with this. I mean there's being positive and hopeful and then there's being positive and hopeful to the point of almost being delusional. I'm not saying you are delusional my friend but can you let us know exactly where this trust in Rasheed is coming from because, I don't understand it.

[Change]

If I recall correctly most of it was in the 1st Q. Perk was (+10) when he was subbed out. The 1st Q ended (23-23) tie. So basically Sheed was (-2) rest of the game, which isn't that bad. I'd love to see Sheed bend his Knee every now & then. The guy is too stiff with his movements.

[BudweiserCeltic]

The main problem here was him playing with Williams who was completely lost in defense, and Finley missed some assignments defensively. Sheed was alright for the night individually, nothing "terrible" like he's being made out to be. What was awful was the units he was playing with. Also, when he entered in the 2nd half, it was when Wade was starting to get hot from the 3-point line... poor perimeter defense in those moments, not much to do with Sheed. As far as +/- goes, it was just unfortunate coincidences... it happens.