CB Historical Draft - 1990's 2000's version - Discussion Thread

[MattG12]

I would be willing to participate as a panelist if that would be less time consuming and if you still need one more panelist.

[nickagneta]

I would be willing to participate as a panelist if that would be less time consuming and if you still need one more panelist.

Love to have you. That rounds that part out. Now all we need is about 20-25 more players.

[Who]

Thinking seriously about installing a no Michael Jordan rule where Michael Jordan will be the only player eliminated from the draft. I think his being so much better than any other player could cause bias in determining winners of the competition.

I will say however, that over the last two drafts I have participated in, I thought for sure there would be a Kobe and/or LeBron bias and yet, those teams struggled in the after the draft proceedings. So maybe not.

I would love to hear some thoughts from current panelists and players regarding this possible rule.

I don't know, I was wondering the same thing ... does Jordan + talent automatically win? Less chance to screw up a team's roster with this much talent available so yeah it's possible it'll play out like that. Hard to know for sure though.

If you bump Jordan off the list, you gotta get rid of Magic and LeBron too. Those three guys are head and shoulders above everyone else.

[StartOrien]

I'm in provided I can draft Toni Braxton as my coach if I don't get any of the 3 J's

[Fafnir]

Thinking seriously about installing a no Michael Jordan rule where Michael Jordan will be the only player eliminated from the draft. I think his being so much better than any other player could cause bias in determining winners of the competition.

I will say however, that over the last two drafts I have participated in, I thought for sure there would be a Kobe and/or LeBron bias and yet, those teams struggled in the after the draft proceedings. So maybe not.

I would love to hear some thoughts from current panelists and players regarding this possible rule.

I don't know, I was wondering the same thing ... does Jordan + talent automatically win? Less chance to screw up a team's roster with this much talent available so yeah it's possible it'll play out like that. Hard to know for sure though.

If you bump Jordan off the list, you gotta get rid of Magic and LeBron too. Those three guys are head and shoulders above everyone else.

I think if you're removing the three best players from the draft it'll lose a lot of the fun. Like removing LeBron from the fantasy draft wouldn't be a good idea.

[bdm860]

Thinking seriously about installing a no Michael Jordan rule where Michael Jordan will be the only player eliminated from the draft. I think his being so much better than any other player could cause bias in determining winners of the competition.

I will say however, that over the last two drafts I have participated in, I thought for sure there would be a Kobe and/or LeBron bias and yet, those teams struggled in the after the draft proceedings. So maybe not.

I would love to hear some thoughts from current panelists and players regarding this possible rule.

Even though I'm not a current player or panelist...
I don't like a no Jordan rule, but it's true that it may severely swing the vote.  The reason we don't see much LeBron or Kobe bias in the regular CB Draft is because you're usually looking at a team with the 1st and 60th best player and there's such a huge gap in talent in the NBA in any one season.  Like Who said on the first page of the comments, here you're going to have a large pool of MVP quality players to choose from.  If someone takes Jordan #1, there would be many All-Stars and All-NBA players still available at #60 and #61 to fill out the rest of that team (assuming a 30 team, snake draft), so I think Jordan may tip the scales. 

[Roy Hobbs]

If I can provide some feedback, I'll say that the tone of the Pick 2 draft was a lot more pleasant than the CB draft.  I think that was largely because we eliminated things like "winners of the competition".

If this draft is treated like a competition, it's going to get cut throat again.  My recommendation would be to treat it as a fun exercise, and tone down the competitive aspect to some extent. 

That also means, of course, that guys like Jordan should be included.  Sure, he tips the scales, but if people keep the proper perspective, they'll be fine.

(Also, why eliminate Jordan, but not those other franchise stars who can carry a team by themselves?  Only one team can have Jordan, sure, but only, say, seven or eight can have elite franchise-caliber players.  There's simply no way to even the playing field.)

[nickagneta]

If I can provide some feedback, I'll say that the tone of the Pick 2 draft was a lot more pleasant than the CB draft.  I think that was largely because we eliminated things like "winners of the competition".

If this draft is treated like a competition, it's going to get cut throat again.  My recommendation would be to treat it as a fun exercise, and tone down the competitive aspect to some extent. 

That also means, of course, that guys like Jordan should be included.  Sure, he tips the scales, but if people keep the proper perspective, they'll be fine.

(Also, why eliminate Jordan, but not those other franchise stars who can carry a team by themselves?  Only one team can have Jordan, sure, but only, say, seven or eight can have elite franchise-caliber players.  There's simply no way to even the playing field.)

I considered this point Roy regarding the competitiveness of the game. However, at the end of the Pick 2 Draft there was still a pretty strong contingent of people who wanted some sort of closure other than, boom, it's over. Hence riah and the sim which we have all enjoyed.

Doing that here would be difficult to impossible. So the panel was born.

I promise, however, that if the competition becomes to tense or friction is being caused, that will end that part of the endeavor immediately. This will be a fun exercise or it will stop. I promise.

[nickagneta]

Right now, I think I am leading towards having Jordan and everyone else. My final decision will come later. My think is once I eliminated MJ then the calls for others will come, which has already happened, and then, where does it stop. Besides, some of the best defensive players at their defensive best will also be available so, anything is possible.

Personally I remember 1991-92 and 1992-93 Reggie Lewis driving Michael Jordan absolutely nuts defensively, often causing him to shoot in the low 40% area when normally MJ was a 51%-52% shooter.

[stoyko]

Nick I'm interested. I may need a co-GM depending on my schedule. Or maybe we could work out some sort of default pick if you miss your turn?

[nickagneta]

Nick I'm interested. I may need a co-GM depending on my schedule. Or maybe we could work out some sort of default pick if you miss your turn?

TP4U stoyko. Thanks for coming aboard. There will definitely be ways available to you to pick if you are not available to pick. I was hoping for a co-commish to handle lists of players that owners might want to draft to place a pick for someone if they are not available to pick.

[stoyko]

Are MTV Rock 'N Jock players eligible?  If so I'm torn between Bill Bellamy and Dan Cortez for my first pick!

More serious, we're restricting this to NBA Players, so Sabonis pre-Blazers isn't available?

[nickagneta]

Are MTV Rock 'N Jock players eligible?  If so I'm torn between Bill Bellamy and Dan Cortez for my first pick!

More serious, we're restricting this to NBA Players, so Sabonis pre-Blazers isn't available?

Correct

[drza44]

Personally I remember 1991-92 and 1992-93 Reggie Lewis driving Michael Jordan absolutely nuts defensively, often causing him to shoot in the low 40% area when normally MJ was a 51%-52% shooter.

This is the aspect of the game that can easily get lost in these types of comp drafts.  Jordan will be assumed to be the best player no matter the circumstances, when in reality matchups and styles would play a much bigger role when every team will have so much talent on it. 

I'd love to participate, but like everyone else I don't want to overcommit and leave you hanging.  If someone wants a co-owner, though, I might be able to chip into the debate.

[GaBerkowitz]

I would play