Start Baby, over Kevin

[mmbaby]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. First let's get BBD height correct. He is not 6-6! The dislikers always skew the facts.
I don't think BBD is up to KG's play and KG is looking really good lately and, as a legend, should be our starter.
But I also don't think that BBD doesn't have potential as a starting P.F. I think he definately does. And yes he made 2 jumpers last game, so, yes, it looks like his jumper is coming back.

[Andy Jick]

"I don't believe what I just saw!!!"

[dark_lord]

[Birdbrain]

All is well a BBD thread that sucks in the haters that ignore every comment by every announcer concerning his skills.  I mean it's 1 thing to disregard bloggers but, NBA coaches and HOFs..? There's is a word for that but, I'll leave it to the imagination.

Anyway no he is perfectly suited as 4th big off the bench.  I love his intensity though and wish everyone on the team had it.

[jsingh1699]

i like how he contributes right now. when the team needs that shot of energy, he comes in and gives it, night in and night out. its key to have that off the bench, espcially considering how dead the starters sometimes begin the games. my guess is his role is actually gonna become bigger in the playoffs. i get the feeling refs are gonna call alotta cheap fouls on perk/kg/wallace in the playoffs, against the likes of shaq or howard (if we even make it past the first round against the bucks, but thats a whole different topic).

[Spilling Green Dye]

All is well a BBD thread that sucks in the haters that ignore every comment by every announcer concerning his skills.  I mean it's 1 thing to disregard bloggers but, NBA coaches and HOFs..? There's is a word for that but, I'll leave it to the imagination.

Anyway no he is perfectly suited as 4th big off the bench.  I love his intensity though and wish everyone on the team had it.

I don't hate Glen Davis.  I don't hate any player.  But I hate how people mistake his flopping around hustle for real skill, and completely ignore any semblance of statistical evidence.

Tommy H gets paid to pump people up and give out Tommy points.  He did it with Walter, Gerald, and sometimes Davis.

In reality I actually don't mind him as our 4th big, so I agree with you.  I also wish people tried in the game as consistently as he does.  It seems we are 2 for 2 there.  But he should never be considered for more than 8 to 10 minutes in a playoff game, unless we are facing Shaq or foul trouble from our starting bigs.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. First let's get BBD height correct. He is not 6-6! The dislikers always skew the facts.
I don't think BBD is up to KG's play and KG is looking really good lately and, as a legend, should be our starter.
But I also don't think that BBD doesn't have potential as a starting P.F. I think he definately does. And yes he made 2 jumpers last game, so, yes, it looks like his jumper is coming back.

mmbaby, please explain why we should expect a PF with the following attributes to become our starting PF in the future:

-3rd year player who hasn't gotten in better physical shape.
-Is routinely blocked around the hoop, and has not improved finishing around the hoop.
-Due to wingspan & height, he will forever be considered "undersized"
-His FT% has gotten worse since his rookie year.
-His FG% has gotten worse since his rookie year.


and the mother of all reasons that I don't get why he should be considered...

According to his 82games profile this entire season, Out of all 21 unique on/off court categories (I did not count the 5 "total" or "net" categories, since they would be redundant), The Celtics are WORSE having Davis on the court in 18 of those categories, EQUAL having Davis on the court in 2 of those categories, and BETTER in only 1 category (offensive rebounding).

Even I was shocked by those statistics.  We all know that he does a good job getting offensive rebounds, but apparently him being on the court is a negative in EVERY OTHER ASPECT.  And it is a broad range of categories too, from fouls committed to points made, and even free throws taken.

Why should we invest in a player like this??

[BballTim]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. First let's get BBD height correct. He is not 6-6! The dislikers always skew the facts.
I don't think BBD is up to KG's play and KG is looking really good lately and, as a legend, should be our starter.
But I also don't think that BBD doesn't have potential as a starting P.F. I think he definately does. And yes he made 2 jumpers last game, so, yes, it looks like his jumper is coming back.

  Ok, a 6-5 pf is pretty rare as well.

[Donoghus]

Let's also get one thing straight while we're at it.

Not everyone on the blog who criticizes Davis is a "hater" or "disliker". 

Sure, there are people on here who totally despise his game (or character) while there are others who simply see a player with a certain ceiling as a player; namely a role player who is best coming off the bench.  We see some limitations in his game or makeup.

I think there are plenty of us in that camp who don't mind Davis coming off the bench for limited minutes but in no way, would want to see him as the starting PF on this team.  Especially, with a still effective KG on this roster.  That does not makes us haters.

[More Banners]

Finished up some pizza for dinner, then turned to CB for some amusement.  After seeing this thread, I quickly yelled to Mrs. Banners to inquire as to what "spices" were used in place of Oregano!  Surely, my eyes deceive me?  Could someone legitimately suggest starting BBD over Kevin Garnett?!?

[ScoobyDoo]

I doubt it will happen but I posted the same thing a while back and go skewered for it. I had siad if KG is permanently going to be fighting sore knees form now on, move on and start baby, take a load off KG, let him anchor the second unit.

As others have mentioned, doubt it will happen but I'd sure like to see some Perkins and baby together more often. They get pretty physical together.

[xmuscularghandix]

I love Big Baby but half the time he gets an offensive rebound it could turn into an easy shot... instead it turns into BBD getting stuffed, then us giving up some easy points.

That being said i love his skill set and what he brings to the floor.

[snively]

I'd start Baby before Perk before I'd even think of putting him ahead of Kevin. 

But even with Perk as bad as he's been, subbing him for Baby is a pretty significant downgrade.

[dark_lord]

Finished up some pizza for dinner, then turned to CB for some amusement.  After seeing this thread, I quickly yelled to Mrs. Banners to inquire as to what "spices" were used in place of Oregano!  Surely, my eyes deceive me?  Could someone legitimately suggest starting BBD over Kevin Garnett?!?

tp 

[PLamb]

 The truth is Baby averaged 17.5 Points per game in last Year's Playoffs, now can anyone tell me that Kevin is capable of doing that this year? No he can't.

 Now Kevin is five inches taller, and much longer etc. But he's not an athlete anymore, and that's what made him  great over his whole career.

 Now you can argue about what bigs play best together, I really don't care, I think we should give Baby a real solid look at being are P.F. of the future, and I also think Kevin could be great off the bench. A Combo of Garnett, Wallace, Nate, and Daniels is pretty good. And maybe KG would fair better against the back ups, Bottom line, right now Baby needs more minutes than Kevin on an average night. Baby will put up bigger numbers and play with more energy than Kevin as of right now.    Thoughts...

Now this is just silly

I thought the start Tony Allen over Ray threads earlier this year where just Tony lovers once again going overboard for their binky and dismissed them

I thought the start Sheed over Perk thread was wrong but at least it was an idea, not a good one but an idea

I thought the start Daniels over Pierce had to be a tongue in cheek joke thread and was surprised when it wasn't, that idea is god awful

But this is just bizarre

Can we please just go back to allowing the best starting five combination the team has playing together to start the game and stop with these crazy threads

They are starting to get out there

I'm waiting for the let's start the entire bench and bring the starters off the bench thread

That one's next, right?