Question re our offensive droughts

[ScoobyDoo]

It's another, if you're the coach question...

If you are coach, and you're team shoots 1 for 16 from sometime in the 3rd quarter through sometime in the 4th quarter...what do you do?

I ask this question because I've seen this happen to us, in various levels of severity all season.

What I see is this:

1. We get going on a cold streak, just can't hit a jump shot for the life of us

2. Our reaction is, we keep jacking up more lazy jump shots, sometimes mixing in ill-advised threes, until we are sufficiently behind and eveantullay we make a few of these jump shots, maybe a three...but by then we're done.

If you're coach, what would you do? I'm curious because Doc just seems to sit there and let it unfold.

Here' is what I would do if I was coach.

1. I'd call a time out after we've missed about 3-4 lazy jump shots.

2. I'd tell everyone in the game that I don't want to see any shot go up unless it's

A) an attempted dunk ( I don't care if you get offensive fouls doing it either). If I'm going dwon, it's going to be in someone's grill.

B) Or a head long drive for the front of the rim.

At least in these cases, instead of jacking up lazy jumpers, you put the onus on the refs to call it at the rim and you might actually get to the foul line.

My desperation offense to end this drought ( and I'm serious when I say this...

1. I put in this lineup:

Perkins / Shelden
Nate / TA / Pierce

I isolate in rotations ( Nate / TA and Pierce on one side of the court, with the other wings ( whoever doesn't have the ball) moving off screens from the other side of the court, as the guy with the ball drives by his man from the wings and follwed by Perkins adn Shelden crashing the boards.

I guarantee you you get, if nothing else, to the foul line and score some points.

I just can't comprehend 1 for 16. And I guarantee you what I just said above will get baksets or to the line.

When you are not hitting shots, you take everything, EVERYTHING, straight to the rim, even if it means you have to go over someone's head to get there.

I cannot stand these unnecessary droughts. Theya re very preventable. But first, you need to recognize you're going into one. Which, after three years with this team, you'd think Doc would be able to see it comign and adjust.

But I forget, Doc loves getting punched in the nose over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Your thoughts, what would you do to stop these droughts we have?

 

   

[More Banners]

Agree 100%.

We used to have a great scorer who could go to the hoop and usually get to the line, but now PP is a shell of his former self, lacking the explosiveness to drive.  (I think, earlier in his career, he scored more on FT's than completed dunks/layups?).

Hugely important:  Drawing fouls.  Turnaround jumpers in the post, a staple of both KG and Sheed's post game, 1) don't draw fouls, and 2) take the shooter farther away from the hoop, eliminating the chance of an offensive rebound.  KG's tendency to not draw fouls is one of the reasons he isn't great as a #1 option in the crunch.  It's a big part of Powe's effectiveness.

Right now, Rondo is our best penetrator, but he's also a 60% FT shooter (last among guards).  He might be able to draw fouls, perhaps, but the FT% limits any advantage there.

What we did do last night during the drought was go to our veteran big man scorer on 3 straight possessions in the early 4th.  One three and two post-ups, resulting in 0 FG's and no foul shots.  Doc didn't call TO, but called for the Sheed-on-the-box plays.  They just didn't pay off.

I like your idea, but the only player on the 2nd unit that could possibly drive the way you and I would like is Tony Allen, and who knows what would happen then.  I don't think Quisy is quite that kind of  player, neither is Finley, and Nate can't dunk in traffic in a real game.  As odd as it sounds coming out of my mouth, but we need TA on the court, at least until we get a more reliable/consistent version.  Actually, I'd bet TA gets resigned for another 2 years this offseason, despite his poor decision making.

[MBunge]

One thing that contributes to the droughts is the Cs total avoidance of offensive rebounding.  The team is so committed to getting back on defense that it is very rare to see more than one Celtic trying to crash the boards.

Mike

[BballTim]

It's another, if you're the coach question...

If you are coach, and you're team shoots 1 for 16 from sometime in the 3rd quarter through sometime in the 4th quarter...what do you do?

I ask this question because I've seen this happen to us, in various levels of severity all season.

What I see is this:

1. We get going on a cold streak, just can't hit a jump shot for the life of us

2. Our reaction is, we keep jacking up more lazy jump shots, sometimes mixing in ill-advised threes, until we are sufficiently behind and eveantullay we make a few of these jump shots, maybe a three...but by then we're done.

If you're coach, what would you do? I'm curious because Doc just seems to sit there and let it unfold.

Here' is what I would do if I was coach.

1. I'd call a time out after we've missed about 3-4 lazy jump shots.

2. I'd tell everyone in the game that I don't want to see any shot go up unless it's

A) an attempted dunk ( I don't care if you get offensive fouls doing it either). If I'm going dwon, it's going to be in someone's grill.

B) Or a head long drive for the front of the rim.

At least in these cases, instead of jacking up lazy jumpers, you put the onus on the refs to call it at the rim and you might actually get to the foul line.

My desperation offense to end this drought ( and I'm serious when I say this...

1. I put in this lineup:

Perkins / Shelden
Nate / TA / Pierce

I isolate in rotations ( Nate / TA and Pierce on one side of the court, with the other wings ( whoever doesn't have the ball) moving off screens from the other side of the court, as the guy with the ball drives by his man from the wings and follwed by Perkins adn Shelden crashing the boards.

I guarantee you you get, if nothing else, to the foul line and score some points.

I just can't comprehend 1 for 16. And I guarantee you what I just said above will get baksets or to the line.

When you are not hitting shots, you take everything, EVERYTHING, straight to the rim, even if it means you have to go over someone's head to get there.

I cannot stand these unnecessary droughts. Theya re very preventable. But first, you need to recognize you're going into one. Which, after three years with this team, you'd think Doc would be able to see it comign and adjust.

But I forget, Doc loves getting punched in the nose over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Your thoughts, what would you do to stop these droughts we have?

 

   

  During the 1-16 drought we shot 4 layups, 4 threes and ha d4 other shots from 10 feet and in. We took 7 free throws during that stretch, hitting 2. We also had 3-4 offensive boards during that stretch. I thought we had good looks, we just missed some open shots. The first thing I'd change is to have Nate more aggressive during those stretches. I think he only took 1 shot during that stretch. He needs to look for his offense more when the team's that cold.

[chelsearules]

doc's offense sucks... first option on too many possessions set up jumpers...the mindset on offense is not aggressive enough...rondo can generate high% shots in the paint when he's on but that happens 1 quarter evry game

[ScoobyDoo]

Good points Morebanner and mbunge and good breakdown BballTim. I haven't watched the game yet but was making an educated guess based on the crap I've seen before from this team. Which is, they can't buy a basket and, for the most part, they just keep launching jumps shots and threes...

Agreed with it all and I guess my main point is this analogy: They say when you're not hitting your outside shot, get closer, work on your mechanics and then slowly start moving back out for longer distance shots, OR, shoot some free throws to get the rust off and then go back to the longer shots.

Translated to a team that can't buy a basket ( See Celtics in these droughts)

1. Go closer to the rim on everyting ( as close as you cna possibly bull your way in)

2. In the process you take more foul shots hopefully

It's doing as a team in a game what they say to do to straighten your shot out.

YOU GO TO THE BASKET, WITH A VENEGEANCE AS A TEAM.

And as was correctly stated, TA, Rondoa nd I also think Nate are best at breaking their guys down. So I'd ISO them and tell them to go head long for the basket, and I'd flash cutters off them.

What I can't stand or understand is just continuing to jack up shots and not mixing it up.