Start Sheed Debate

[Greenbean]

I love Perk and also share in many of your frustrations with what we have gotten out of Rasheed lately (I meant all season).

That being said I think that Rasheed has been putrid largely due to his failure to assimilate to playing less minutes which is understandable.

I looked at his stats and for the games where he played in 30 minutes or more:

13.09 pts 7.27 rebs
45% shooting
34% from three

All right around his career averages.

Perk isnt giving us that production now and arguable never has at any point this season.

If they flip flop minutes played, Perk can come in and still put his stamp on the game. Heck maybe he can even get some ISO posts in the 2nd unit.

But look at the first unit with sheed. 4 shooters and Rondo. It makes sense.

Edit: He has played in 11 games this season where he logged 30+ minutes.

[Greenbean]

By the way are there any stat sites that let you filter? it took me forever to pull these!

[Chris]

Wow, this is the first time I have heard "his failure to assimilate to playing less minutes" as an excuse for Wallace's play this year. 

Honestly, I think it would be worth a shot, since Perk's dropoff has been so bad, they need to do something to get him to wake up.  But I have a feeling it would just make things worse.

[dark_lord]

i wouldnt mind giving it a shot.  with how succeptable perk is to pouting on the court, i would worry about how he would respond and fear he would be worse off.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I like Rasheed and think he's playing better than Perkins, but I am AGAINST him starting, and here is why:

According to 82games:
1) When Rasheed starts over Perkins, the most productive unit immediately becomes one of the most unproductive

2) When Rasheed starts over KG, the most productive unit gets worse but is still productive.

3) When Wallace plays alongside Sheldon, the lineup is one of the most produtive we've had this year.

4) When Wallace plays alongside Davis, the lineup isn't particularly productive.

This trend goes on and on... and leads to one conclusion by me:

Since Wallace does not play exclusively under the hoop on offense, he is better suited to play alongside another big man who does.  As a result, when he plays alongside another shooter like KG or Davis, the team as a whole suffers.  Therefore, unless you want sit KG in place of Wallace, I would advise that Wallace not start in place of Perkins (and alongside KG).

[Spilling Green Dye]

But look at the first unit with sheed. 4 shooters and Rondo. It makes sense.

Sadly I think what Rondo needs most is not shooters, but RUNNERS.   

[Spilling Green Dye]

I like Rasheed and think he's playing better than Perkins, but I am AGAINST him starting, and here is why:

According to 82games:
1) When Rasheed starts over Perkins, the most productive unit immediately becomes one of the most unproductive

2) When Rasheed starts over KG, the most productive unit gets worse but is still productive.

3) When Wallace plays alongside Sheldon, the lineup is one of the most produtive we've had this year.

4) When Wallace plays alongside Davis, the lineup isn't particularly productive.

This trend goes on and on... and leads to one conclusion by me:

Since Wallace does not play exclusively under the hoop on offense, he is better suited to play alongside another big man who does.  As a result, when he plays alongside another shooter like KG or Davis, the team as a whole suffers.  Therefore, unless you want sit KG in place of Wallace, I would advise that Wallace not start in place of Perkins (and alongside KG).

As a quick reference:

Rondo/Allen/Pierce/Garnett/Perkins:  +219 points in 783 minutes

Rondo/Allen/Pierce/Garnett/Wallace:  -25 points in 122 minutes

Again, this trend of Wallace with another shooting big man (KG, Davis) is a bad one, and is evident in most other lineups.

[Greenbean]

I like Rasheed and think he's playing better than Perkins, but I am AGAINST him starting, and here is why:

According to 82games:
1) When Rasheed starts over Perkins, the most productive unit immediately becomes one of the most unproductive

2) When Rasheed starts over KG, the most productive unit gets worse but is still productive.

3) When Wallace plays alongside Sheldon, the lineup is one of the most produtive we've had this year.

4) When Wallace plays alongside Davis, the lineup isn't particularly productive.

This trend goes on and on... and leads to one conclusion by me:

Since Wallace does not play exclusively under the hoop on offense, he is better suited to play alongside another big man who does.  As a result, when he plays alongside another shooter like KG or Davis, the team as a whole suffers.  Therefore, unless you want sit KG in place of Wallace, I would advise that Wallace not start in place of Perkins (and alongside KG).

As a quick reference:

Rondo/Allen/Pierce/Garnett/Perkins:  +219 points in 783 minutes

Rondo/Allen/Pierce/Garnett/Wallace:  -25 points in 122 minutes

Again, this trend of Wallace with another shooting big man (KG, Davis) is a bad one, and is evident in most other lineups.

Very good stats but I would be curious to see that starting 5's production lately. I am assuming it has dropped off quite a bit.

[Bahku]

Personally, I don't want Sheed on the floor for the minutes he's getting already, let alone more. Unfortunately he is the same guy he was in Detroit and has always been, and has infected this team with poor skills and execution, lack of effort, and a selfish attitude. Please, no more Sheed ... he is a HUGE part of what's wrong with this team, NOT the answer.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Let's start the Sheedmeister.

[Greenbean]

Personally, I don't want Sheed on the floor for the minutes he's getting already, let alone more. Unfortunately he is the same guy he was in Detroit and has always been, and has infected this team with poor skills and execution, lack of effort, and a selfish attitude. Please, no more Sheed ... he is a HUGE part of what's wrong with this team, NOT the answer.

So far we have:

1. Start Sheed because he produces given more minutes (me)
2. Start him because we need a spark even though it probably wont work
3. Keep it the same
4. Let Sheed play with a banger like Sheldon in the 2nd unit, dont start him
5. Sheed is the reason we stink. Play him less not more!

Thanks Bahku for making the debate whole! Is it worth it to put a poll up on this?

[ForexPirate]

it all goes back to the orlando game when perk got benched for the rest of the game for complaining about not getting enough touches.  you want perk to do better, you need to find a way to assimilate him. 

If it means Perk going to the bench and getting his touches with the second unit, then I am all for that.  I would rather see him taking shots in the paint than seeing BBD on the second team having his lunch handed to him any time he tries to shoot in the paint.

He is a high percentage shooter and if he was playing against other second teamers, he would probably be shooting a higher percentage and may become a go to guy for the second team. 

Doc - give it a try.

[Greenbean]

it all goes back to the orlando game when perk got benched for the rest of the game for complaining about not getting enough touches.  you want perk to do better, you need to find a way to assimilate him. 

If it means Perk going to the bench and getting his touches with the second unit, then I am all for that.  I would rather see him taking shots in the paint than seeing BBD on the second team having his lunch handed to him any time he tries to shoot in the paint.

He is a high percentage shooter and if he was playing against other second teamers, he would probably be shooting a higher percentage and may become a go to guy for the second team. 

Doc - give it a try.

Wow I almost forgot about that. How well does BBD play WITH Perk? Look at last year's playoffs. That would settle the horrible situation we have with Sheed playing with BBD. I am disagreeing with the above poster only to point out how much more I want this to happen.

Edite: Not totally disagreeing, just the part about less BBD.

[Eeyore III]

I don't know about starting Sheed, but Perk needs to realize that he should never be anything other than the 5th offensive option.  It seems like the Cs just take turns on offense--eenie, meenie, miney, moe-- instead of methodically exploiting their best match-up.

Even though Perk has improved significantly on offense, he has only gone from "turn your head away terrible" to "below average."  He is a key guy defensively, but they shouldn't run plays for him.

I would like to see Sheed in at the end of games instead of Perk, however.

[Pucaccia]

I say start Sheed not because of his failure to adjust to playing time.. I say start Sheed because he is better and more dangerous than Perk.