BBD's Fruitless Hustle (revisited)

[Birdbrain]

Another dominating performance from Glen.  His all around game is astounding for someone his size. And the feet oh the quickness is blinding.  I love that he's underrated on this blog.  Makes nights like last night all the more satisfying.. at 3 million a year.

[LB3533]

Hook shots, spin moves, abusing opponents in the post.... these are all knew aspects of Davis's game.

BBD is not just a "hustle guy" who makes open J's and gets his layups sent back into his face anymore.

[Birdbrain]

How about the nasty block he had against Mo Williams?? the other night trying to dunk.

[thirstyboots18]

I also think Davis' game took another leap forward this year...do you suppose he saw that YouTube video of Olajuwan teaching the spin move to D. Howard? 

Davis has the size and strength to clear out under the basket to prevent being blocked, and the smarts to pass out...glad he has realized that.

[crownsy]

Another dominating performance from Glen.  His all around game is astounding for someone his size. And the feet oh the quickness is blinding.  I love that he's underrated on this blog.  Makes nights like last night all the more satisfying.. at 3 million a year.

You take the "he's underrated on this blog" strawman argument to the same extreme that you take the "leon powe was a scrub, and people only liked him because he was homeless" argument your making in the other thread.

I think the vast majority of posters on here are very, very happy with Glen Davis. I know i am.

He took some flak last year because he was a moron and broke his hand acting in a very immature fashion, but most of this blog does not "underrate" him with regards to his game and what he brings to the team on the floor . Alot of us will argue he is in 6th man of the year contention, don't really see how that's the blog underrating him.

Do some posters disagree? of course, we have thousands of posters, conservatively, active here. But to make this assertion you do that the majority of fans on this blog don't appreciate or like glen davis's game is ridiculous.

I can find posts from people that don't think Rondo is a top 15 PG in this league in random threads, does the fact that such a post was made by a person make rondo "underrated on this blog"?

[Fan from VT]

Another dominating performance from Glen.  His all around game is astounding for someone his size. And the feet oh the quickness is blinding.  I love that he's underrated on this blog.  Makes nights like last night all the more satisfying.. at 3 million a year.

I can't even tell if you are for real or sarcastic. 16 points, 7 rebounds, and 1 assist in 29 minutes is dominating?

The fact that the bar needs to be set so low to consider a davis performance "dominant" should tell you all you need to know about someone who should, to this point, not be considered anything more than a "good, solid bench player."

[Fan from VT]

Another dominating performance from Glen.  His all around game is astounding for someone his size. And the feet oh the quickness is blinding.  I love that he's underrated on this blog.  Makes nights like last night all the more satisfying.. at 3 million a year.

You take the "he's underrated on this blog" strawman argument to the same extreme that you take the "leon powe was a scrub, and people only liked him because he was homeless" argument your making in the other thread.

I think the vast majority of posters on here are very, very happy with Glen Davis. I know i am.

He took some flak last year because he was a moron and broke his hand acting in a very immature fashion, but most of this blog does not "underrate" him with regards to his game and what he brings to the team on the floor . Alot of us will argue he is in 6th man of the year contention, don't really see how that's the blog underrating him.

Do some posters disagree? of course, we have thousands of posters, conservatively, active here. But to make this assertion you do that the majority of fans on this blog don't appreciate or like glen davis's game is ridiculous.

I can find posts from people that don't think Rondo is a top 15 PG in this league in random threads, does the fact that such a post was made by a person make rondo "underrated on this blog"?

hey, come on now.

-Rondo is underrated by anyone who thinks he's not a top tier MVP candidate
-KG is underrated by anyone who thinks he's not a DPOY favorite
-Pierce is underrated by anyone who would draft Lebron ahead of him
-Perk is underrated by anyone who thinks he's not the second most valuable center in the league.

Didn't you know?

[crownsy]

Another dominating performance from Glen.  His all around game is astounding for someone his size. And the feet oh the quickness is blinding.  I love that he's underrated on this blog.  Makes nights like last night all the more satisfying.. at 3 million a year.

I can't even tell if you are for real or sarcastic. 16 points, 7 rebounds, and 1 assist in 29 minutes is dominating?

The fact that the bar needs to be set so low to consider a davis performance "dominant" should tell you all you need to know about someone who should, to this point, not be considered anything more than a "good, solid bench player."

I don't know if i'd go with dominate but I agree with bird that's pretty darn good for a sixth man.

Over 36 minutes that would probably be around 22-11...I'd take that out of my PF any night...not to mention he'd probley draw like 3 charges

[Fan from VT]

Another dominating performance from Glen.  His all around game is astounding for someone his size. And the feet oh the quickness is blinding.  I love that he's underrated on this blog.  Makes nights like last night all the more satisfying.. at 3 million a year.

I can't even tell if you are for real or sarcastic. 16 points, 7 rebounds, and 1 assist in 29 minutes is dominating?

The fact that the bar needs to be set so low to consider a davis performance "dominant" should tell you all you need to know about someone who should, to this point, not be considered anything more than a "good, solid bench player."

I don't know if i'd go with dominate but I agree with bird that's pretty darn good for a sixth man.

Over 36 minutes that would probably be around 22-11...I'd take that out of my PF any night...not to mention he'd probley draw like 3 charges

to be fair, if Davis got 36 minutes per game his intangibles would cause the other team to give up and leave the court after 3 quarters.

[Fafnir]

Another dominating performance from Glen.  His all around game is astounding for someone his size. And the feet oh the quickness is blinding.  I love that he's underrated on this blog.  Makes nights like last night all the more satisfying.. at 3 million a year.

I can't even tell if you are for real or sarcastic. 16 points, 7 rebounds, and 1 assist in 29 minutes is dominating?

The fact that the bar needs to be set so low to consider a davis performance "dominant" should tell you all you need to know about someone who should, to this point, not be considered anything more than a "good, solid bench player."

I don't know if i'd go with dominate but I agree with bird that's pretty darn good for a sixth man.

Over 36 minutes that would probably be around 22-11...I'd take that out of my PF any night...not to mention he'd probley draw like 3 charges

36/29 = 1.24

So assuming he produces the same per minute that is 19.8 and 8.7.

He had an excellent game, especially considering he stuck all his jumpers thus only needing nine shots to get his 16 points.

[mmbaby]

A surprising statistic: Davis' game is the same as KG's now.
Anyone who doesn't see how he's advanced his game this season is blind.
There sure is a lot of whining about him here when, gosh, he's playing great. Couldn't you find someone else more worthy of your criticism? Why pick on one of the most useful players on our team?
This 'revisited' thread should have never be revisited. It's just the same people who've never liked him again airing their feelings.
But if you want to participate in an honest discussion, this is not the thread for it.

[indeedproceed]

A surprising statistic: Davis' game is the same as KG's now.

That's not really true in any kind way from what I've seen. Not scoring (KG's better), Defending (KG's way better), Passing (KG's way better), Rebounding (KG's way better), or even Leading (KG again).

I'm not sayin Glen is bad, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

[Fafnir]

A surprising statistic: Davis' game is the same as KG's now.

That's not really true in any kind way from what I've seen. Not scoring (KG's better), Defending (KG's way better), Passing (KG's way better), Rebounding (KG's way better), or even Leading (KG again).

I'm not sayin Glen is bad, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

The only areas where Davis is better than KG are turnovers, offensive rebounding, and taking charges. KG is better at everything else.

You can argue he plays the same role as KG, perimeter big 4 with some post game, I suppose.

[indeedproceed]

A surprising statistic: Davis' game is the same as KG's now.

That's not really true in any kind way from what I've seen. Not scoring (KG's better), Defending (KG's way better), Passing (KG's way better), Rebounding (KG's way better), or even Leading (KG again).

I'm not sayin Glen is bad, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

The only areas where Davis is better than KG are turnovers, offensive rebounding, and taking charges. KG is better at everything else.

You can argue he plays the same role as KG, perimeter big 4 with some post game, I suppose.

I'd say the turnovers and offensive rebounds are a product of playing style more than anything. KG facilitates the offense more, so he has the ball more, so more turnovers, and Glen Davis has looked for opportunistic O-Reb's forever. KG just looks to get back on defense.

EDIT: But BBD is way better at taking charges. That's legit.

[Casperian]

I think that key situations are the moments we as human beings remember. But every possession is important, two points is two points.

I think that´s a matter of perspective. Are the players on the court not human?
How many games have we seen of the Celtics were they slumped in the first half, only to put on a show in the second, and vice-versa?

If you look at stats in a vacuum, then yes, two points are two points, but go tell that to a player who´s on the court down two with 5 seconds on the clock. Every possession is different to the one before.
Games tell a story. What makes a situation a key situation? What is the difference between a normal possession and a key possession? Why do we remember these situations more?

I mean, did I really just have a discussion about the merits of hustle on a Celtics messageboard? You know why they give Tommy Points? Come on, faf, you´re too smart to tell me that you can´t see a difference in a won hustle play and an unchallenged save of a possession. It´s THE most deciding, human influenced factor in securing crucial plays.