Quisy the ZERO impact

[Vermont Green]

I think Daniels has been set back by two factors:  The injury and his changing role.  First they asked him to be the PG, now he has a different role.

I think he will be fine.  I think we need to play him consistently with Nate on the floor to allow them both to figure out their roles and how to play off each other.  I sense MD is deferring to give Nate "room" to work himself into the unit.  I think there is enough time for this to work out and for both to really settle in and contribute when we need them (as effective bench players).

[CelticG1]

I think Quis has been decent but has been a bit disappointing at this point in the season. I didn't know much about him prior to coming here but it seemed like people were very high on him. Watching the games this year I've never had that feeling where I thought about  us being lucky to have him or what a steal we have for the money we are paying him. He was supposed to be a steal at 2 mill and to me it doesn't seem like he is going to get that big contract after this year based on what he's done.

He does show flashes of good stuff and I think he does play some good defense as well, but so do a lot of other guys. It would be nice for him to be an impact bench player rather than just Pierce's back up.

If he can get completely healthy (if he isn't already) and can be more of an impact off the bench defensively or offensively by the time the playoffs come around, thats all that really matters.

[Chris]

I find his lack of a jump shot very frustrating. I'm left to wonder whether the Celtics would have been better off signing a player like Keith Bogans instead. I think they would have been.

Bogans has surprised me this season.  I still feel like there is something missing from his game, but his defense and shooting has really been impressive.

As for Daniels though, I think his value is really going to show in the playoffs, when the rotation is shortened.  I think his defense, his intelligence, and his ability to finish around the rim will pay off big in the playoffs, when he is spending more time on the floor with shooters like Pierce and Allen. 

I also think Daniels will be more valuable as Finley starts seeing some minutes, and Robinson learns more of the plays.  I think they will have Daniels handling the ball more with the second unit, and he will work well with the shooters around him. 

Having Daniels on the floor with Tony...and even more with Rondo as well...it really negates his abilities to attack the basket, and forces him into a role he is not well fit for. 

I'm not sure I agree that players such as Daniels or Wallace are going to be any different in the playoffs than they are now.  If they could play better, they should be doing it now.  Daniels has been solid for us in my opinion.

I am not saying he will play better in the playoffs, I am saying he will be USED better in the playoffs. 

I think Daniels has played well for most of the season, and has disappeared at times, when he was used in a lineup that did not compliment his strengths.  However, in the playoffs, I think he will be playing a lot more minutes surrounded by shooters, which will allow him to be more affective. 

Sheed is a completely different situation.  He just has not played well for most of the season, and in all but a handful of games has looked somewhere between disinterested and washed up.

[celts55]

I think he's okay. I think part of the problem is the team he's out there with most of the time. You have TA who also has no outside game, Davis who's down low and becoming a bit of a black hole. Wallace who should be down low, but who's not, but doesn't shot well enough to draw out the other teams defenders. Than either Rondo who has no outside shoot or Robinson who does but is trying to be more of a play maker. I really think that a guy like Finley will help Daniels game as well. That unit needs someone to spread the floor so a guy like him can slash to the hole.
Also it's not like when he does cut, there is a good passer in the post. Davis and Wallace are not looking for cutters when they get the ball, as someone like Garnett does.

[jgod213]

I think Daniels has been set back by two factors:  The injury and his changing role.  First they asked him to be the PG, now he has a different role.

I think he will be fine.  I think we need to play him consistently with Nate on the floor to allow them both to figure out their roles and how to play off each other.  I sense MD is deferring to give Nate "room" to work himself into the unit.  I think there is enough time for this to work out and for both to really settle in and contribute when we need them (as effective bench players).

Agreed.

As has been mentioned, outside of his FT%, Daniels' numbers have improved when compared to his career averages.  Best FG% of his career, 3rd best 3pt% of his career, lowest TO/pg since his very impressive rookie season.

Bottom line is the second unit has seen constant changes in terms of injuries and personel, i don't think Doc or Daniles have found out how to use him best with that unit - yet.  Obviously when Daniels is moving and flashing he is at his best, but then you have guys in Nate Robinson and TA who are at their best when driving and dishing out open jump shots - so where does Daniels fit?  Despite all that Daniels has still contributed consistently and has taken nothing away from the unit or the team.

Plus, when you have guys like Nate Robinson, TA, Glen Davis, and Sheed (all of whom are lightning rods for high praise or scorn) on the second unit, i think that having a 5th guy there that is 'invisible' isn't necesarily a bad thing.

[Who]

The rest of the bench plays better when Daniels is in the lineup.

Marquis is a glue-guy for the reserves.

[Chris]

The rest of the bench plays better when Daniels is in the lineup.

Marquis is a glue-guy for the reserves.

Very good point.  He is one of those guys that does the little things, and just makes things work.  Its easy to overlook the value of guys like that, but he really has had an impact, and will continue to have an impact on this team.

[CelticG1]

I think Daniels has been set back by two factors:  The injury and his changing role.  First they asked him to be the PG, now he has a different role.

I think he will be fine.  I think we need to play him consistently with Nate on the floor to allow them both to figure out their roles and how to play off each other.  I sense MD is deferring to give Nate "room" to work himself into the unit.  I think there is enough time for this to work out and for both to really settle in and contribute when we need them (as effective bench players).

Agreed.

As has been mentioned, outside of his FT%, Daniels' numbers have improved when compared to his career averages.  Best FG% of his career, 3rd best 3pt% of his career, lowest TO/pg since his very impressive rookie season.

Bottom line is the second unit has seen constant changes in terms of injuries and personel, i don't think Doc or Daniles have found out how to use him best with that unit - yet.  Obviously when Daniels is moving and flashing he is at his best, but then you have guys in Nate Robinson and TA who are at their best when driving and dishing out open jump shots - so where does Daniels fit?  Despite all that Daniels has still contributed consistently and has taken nothing away from the unit or the team.

Plus, when you have guys like Nate Robinson, TA, Glen Davis, and Sheed (all of whom are lightning rods for high praise or scorn) on the second unit, i think that having a 5th guy there that is 'invisible' isn't necesarily a bad thing.

I agree with you that maybe they haven't found the best way to use him yet along with the fact that he has played 3 different positions at times. When we signed Daniels though I don't think people were expecting him to be "invisible". If we ended up trading for him and extending him for more money I think people would be very very very dissapointed with what we are getting. He makes 2 mill so it doesn't look that bad but we were trying to give him more money and more years and with his injuries and play this year I think that would have been a  big mistake.

[dark_lord]

if u compare his stats from this season with his career stats, they are pretty similar.  his shooting percentage is actually up.  his ppg is down, but so are his minutes.

the one discrepency i noticed is that his ft shooting percentage is down.

so, by all accounts, he is doing what he has over his career.  thats why i keep saying to have reasonable expectations.

This season:

pts- 6.5
reb- 2.2
ast- 1.8
fg%- .509
3pt%- .235
to- 1.06
ft%- 6.36
min- 21.2


career:

pts- 9.2
reb- 3.1
ast- 2.0
fg%- .459
3pt%- .237
to- 1.37
ft%- 7.25
min- 23.3

[More Banners]

He's not an impact player, he's a complementary player.

Good news:  He knows that.

He can score on a bad team (Indy) that needs someone to score, but he's not really a go-to scorer.  He won't be the guy to get the big bucket, make the big shot, etc.

He's a good defender, but isn't the Artest/Posey/BigBen-type defender because he tends to use quickness and positioning rather than strength.

He also doesn't run his mouth non-stop.

That makes him a PERFECT fit for this team, which already has alpha-scorers on offense and plays smart team defense.  When the rotation shortens, he'll be on the court with either Ray or Paul and KG or Sheed, and probably Nate, so that would be at least 2 or 3 primary scorers on the court with him, rather than the mess of a rotation that Doc uses now.  (BTW, I'm hopeful that the playoff rotation will be a bit smarter than the current rotation).

[dark_lord]

he didnt play well tonight, but when healthy, he has been probably the most consistent player off the bench this season.  

maybe you labeled him the "new posey", but the two have different games and attributes.  

Its not about copying Posey. For the amount of minutes he is playing, Quisy needs to put his fingerprints on the games. He is invisible right now. Quisy is coasting.

what would u have him do to put his "fingerprints on the games".....but when answering, look at his career and ask urself are ur expectations reasonable and fair with his body of work

im bumping this for a response from "change".  im interested in your response, since you are critical of marquis' contributions.

[mmbaby]

Another waste of time post. Quis has shown himself to be an excellent player. How soon we forget.

[looseball]

If bench players contributed more and had fewer faults, they'd be starters.
When you look at their game you tend to see the glass as either half-empty or half-full.
I see Marquis (along with Big Baby, Tony Allen, Nate and Sheed) as half-full.