Quisy the ZERO impact

[footey]

mqd = enigma

[2short]

Marquis is a very good defender, team player and does whatever the flow of game allows.  There are no plays for him so why does anyone expect him to score 20?
yes his 3's are bad

[kenmaine]

Lots of excuses made for the guy here- injuries(that's legit), new teammates, our expectations were too high, he does the little things that we don't see, etc.
But the title of the thread is absolutely correct. Total non-factor so far. Well, actually more of a negative, though not glaringly so.
Time for TA to get more minutes, until Daniels actually shows something. IMO Daniels is the anti-TA,  he doesn't make many mistakes, but neither does he do much of anything positive. Maybe when you add up the pluses and minuses of the two players it's a wash?
Plenty of time left in the season for me to be proven wrong though, and since Doc will likely stick with Daniels no matter what, I hope he plays better than he's shown so far.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I think there a few problems, with the biggest being that Doc is not utilizing him correctly.  Marquis needs plays that involve him slashing into the paint, or at least getting the ball within 12 feet of the hoop.  Is it his fault that they have him camp out by the 3 point line?  The play works out as its supposed to, except the end result is an open jumper for Marquis. 

I don't know what kind of expectations you had, but I recall him being billed as: good defender, bad shooter, good slasher, smart player, good ball handler.

He has shown all of these qualities, and for a VERY cheap price.  Hopefully Doc utilizes him a bit better.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think there a few problems, with the biggest being that Doc is not utilizing him correctly.  Marquis needs plays that involve him slashing into the paint, or at least getting the ball within 12 feet of the hoop.  Is it his fault that they have him camp out by the 3 point line?  The play works out as its supposed to, except the end result is an open jumper for Marquis. 

I don't know what kind of expectations you had, but I recall him being billed as: good defender, bad shooter, good slasher, smart player, good ball handler.

He has shown all of these qualities, and for a VERY cheap price.  Hopefully Doc utilizes him a bit better.

I agree with some of this. Over the course of the season I've felt that Marquis more often than not is not being used correctly. You either post him up, make him a slasher, or give him some more ball handling duties. But for the past couple of days, he's been often being used as a "floor stretcher" which shouldn't be.

Before the last 4 or so games, he was playing really good basketball for us. As such, this thread is a bit nonsensical.

[hardlyyardley]

He is still recovering.....remember how impressive he was before surgery....they were 23-5

On the other hand, another of last year's free agent group, Matt Barnes out his fingerprint on a game yesterday vs the Lakers and Kobe

[Greenbean]

I think his impact on the team is generally positive. He is a smart player and one I would trust in the plaayoffs.

At the same time, I am a little dissappointed by his offense this year so far. I remember this guys as a really good finisher around the basket with alot of herky jerky moves.

This year I see he gets to the bucket but rarely finishes plays. I know his shooting percentage contradicts my point but you have to admit, if Quisy is contested around the hoop, he's not scoring this year.

Maybe that has to do with the thumb, I dont really know. Either way he is cheap but underperforming to this point IMO.

[dark_lord]

if u compare his stats from this season with his career stats, they are pretty similar.  his shooting percentage is actually up.  his ppg is down, but so are his minutes.

the one discrepency i noticed is that his ft shooting percentage is down.

so, by all accounts, he is doing what he has over his career.  thats why i keep saying to have reasonable expectations.

[Greenbean]

Lots of excuses made for the guy here- injuries(that's legit), new teammates, our expectations were too high, he does the little things that we don't see, etc.
But the title of the thread is absolutely correct. Total non-factor so far. Well, actually more of a negative, though not glaringly so.
Time for TA to get more minutes, until Daniels actually shows something. IMO Daniels is the anti-TA,  he doesn't make many mistakes, but neither does he do much of anything positive. Maybe when you add up the pluses and minuses of the two players it's a wash?
Plenty of time left in the season for me to be proven wrong though, and since Doc will likely stick with Daniels no matter what, I hope he plays better than he's shown so far.

Hmmm. I dont necessarily agree but TP for the good point of debate.

I think right now you can make the case that they are a wash. However, I think Quisy has yet to reach his ptential offensively on this team.

TA vs. Quisy

Consistently average vs. maddeningly inconsistent with moments of brilliance.

[Who]

I find his lack of a jump shot very frustrating. I'm left to wonder whether the Celtics would have been better off signing a player like Keith Bogans instead. I think they would have been.

[Chris]

I find his lack of a jump shot very frustrating. I'm left to wonder whether the Celtics would have been better off signing a player like Keith Bogans instead. I think they would have been.

Bogans has surprised me this season.  I still feel like there is something missing from his game, but his defense and shooting has really been impressive.

As for Daniels though, I think his value is really going to show in the playoffs, when the rotation is shortened.  I think his defense, his intelligence, and his ability to finish around the rim will pay off big in the playoffs, when he is spending more time on the floor with shooters like Pierce and Allen. 

I also think Daniels will be more valuable as Finley starts seeing some minutes, and Robinson learns more of the plays.  I think they will have Daniels handling the ball more with the second unit, and he will work well with the shooters around him. 

Having Daniels on the floor with Tony...and even more with Rondo as well...it really negates his abilities to attack the basket, and forces him into a role he is not well fit for. 

[KungPoweChicken]

Daniels has been useless all season.

[PosImpos]

Daniels has been useless all season.

Flat out not true.

[the_Bird]

I don't get what people are expecting from our seventh/eight man 

Solid D; not exceptional, but very solid.  Can't hit a jumper, but has a decent mid-range game, and can get to the rim.  Decent, but unflashy ballhandler.  Doesn't make many mistakes out there.  Doesn't try to do too much. 

Is it because he's not flashy?  Because he looks kinda awkward when he's playing? 

I'll take Quis any day of the week as a just a solid rotation player.  I've been very happy with his play. 

They can't all be all-stars....

[moiso]

I find his lack of a jump shot very frustrating. I'm left to wonder whether the Celtics would have been better off signing a player like Keith Bogans instead. I think they would have been.

Bogans has surprised me this season.  I still feel like there is something missing from his game, but his defense and shooting has really been impressive.

As for Daniels though, I think his value is really going to show in the playoffs, when the rotation is shortened.  I think his defense, his intelligence, and his ability to finish around the rim will pay off big in the playoffs, when he is spending more time on the floor with shooters like Pierce and Allen. 

I also think Daniels will be more valuable as Finley starts seeing some minutes, and Robinson learns more of the plays.  I think they will have Daniels handling the ball more with the second unit, and he will work well with the shooters around him. 

Having Daniels on the floor with Tony...and even more with Rondo as well...it really negates his abilities to attack the basket, and forces him into a role he is not well fit for. 

I'm not sure I agree that players such as Daniels or Wallace are going to be any different in the playoffs than they are now.  If they could play better, they should be doing it now.  Daniels has been solid for us in my opinion.