Did Rasheed Infect the Team with "Lazy"?

[gar]

Sheed is a very self-centered individual. Anyone who would continued to mouth off to the obvious detriment of his team is clearly not concerned about team.

[tcelt]

all i have to say is YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Eja117]

Thanks for saying it bankshot. Yes he did, and don't forget stupidity, and too much pride for their own good.

If we cut Sheed we get better tomorrow.  I mean who would shoot 4 bad three pointers that don't go in during a major fourth quarter collapse? That guy wouldn't be around any more.

Who would argue with the refs and get a tech when we need defense and a block....oh wait. That guy would be gone too.

Seriously. Somebody just needs to get a big chemotherapy machine and aim it at Sheed during practice.

[PLamb]

One player can't affect and change the entire mentality of the team, Sheed is not responsible for the team's laziness and slopiness (a slopiness that we witnessed last year too, although not to that extent).

Hasn't it been universally agreed upon that one player changed the entire mentality and focus of this team once before in the not too distant past

When KG arrived it has been said from everyone from Wyc to Danny to Doc to Pierce that KG changed the every day, every minute, way of doing things from the moment he walked through that door

If it's easy to believe that just one player can effect a team in such a dramatic positive manner then why is it so far fetched for people to think that one player can effect the team in an equally yet opposite negative reaction

[cons]

it may not be all Sheed, but mgmt knew this was a risk when they signed him and now they need to address it somehow.

[Drucci]

One player can't affect and change the entire mentality of the team, Sheed is not responsible for the team's laziness and slopiness (a slopiness that we witnessed last year too, although not to that extent).

Hasn't it been universally agreed upon that one player changed the entire mentality and focus of this team once before in the not too distant past

When KG arrived it has been said from everyone from Wyc to Danny to Doc to Pierce that KG changed the every day, every minute, way of doing things from the moment he walked through that door

If it's easy to believe that just one player can effect a team in such a dramatic positive manner then why is it so far fetched for people to think that one player can effect the team in an equally yet opposite negative reaction

KG didn't change the team's mentality by himself for the simple reason that the team was not the same than the year before. Every new player came with a goal : win a championship this season. Of course KG's attitude did help them and fueled everybody but KG didn't singlehandedly make everybody want to win the championship, Ray Allen came here with that goal in mind, Pierce had this goal in mind, Posey and House were proven role players who came here with that same goal, etc.

Plus it doesn't work in the reverse way in my opinion, one player can have some influence on some of his teammates (particularly the younger ones) but he can't change the whole team mentality for bad.

If you really think that Sheed has given this "lazy" attitude to KG, Ray and Pierce, I really don't know what to tell you except that you clearly underestimate these players' mental and focus. And Sheed is not on the court when the starters start collapsing in the third quarter by themselves.

[Eja117]

There are many instances of a team doing well, then they bring in a new player who does dumb things, then the team does worse and they cut or bench him and the team either does better or is no worse off.

I don't see why Sheed gets some sort of free pass here.

This was a championship team. It was a team that fought hard as hell played like a team and played smart. It fought like hell last year even when things looked bad.

Now they don't fight at all at home. But for some reason Sheed is above blame or something because....I don't know why. I don't get it. I don't see why it is so hard to identify Sheed as a problem on this team.

Guess what. Guys can play well and still kill teams.

Farve does it.

TO did it in multiple places.

Sheed is doing it now.

He's not even some great player. His best days are way behind him.

Why is it when Baby does some bonehead thing he can be sent home and benched but when Sheed does some bonehead or selfish thing it's ok despite his being old enough to know better? Suddenly it's....well he's always been here...it's not all his fault.  I don't get it.

[Tai]

There are many instances of a team doing well, then they bring in a new player who does dumb things, then the team does worse and they cut or bench him and the team either does better or is no worse off.

I don't see why Sheed gets some sort of free pass here.

This was a championship team. It was a team that fought hard as hell played like a team and played smart. It fought like hell last year even when things looked bad.

Now they don't fight at all at home. But for some reason Sheed is above blame or something because....I don't know why. I don't get it. I don't see why it is so hard to identify Sheed as a problem on this team.

Guess what. Guys can play well and still kill teams.

Farve does it.

TO did it in multiple places.

Sheed is doing it now.

He's not even some great player. His best days are way behind him.

Why is it when Baby does some bonehead thing he can be sent home and benched but when Sheed does some bonehead or selfish thing it's ok despite his being old enough to know better? Suddenly it's....well he's always been here...it's not all his fault.  I don't get it.

No one's saying it's not partly Sheed's fault. I believe Perkins when he says everyone's just bored.

Also, Favre and TO were brought in to start for their teams. Sheed wasn't. He's a veteran, and that seems to be all you got.

Our main problem is that we can't rebound. Sheed was never known for his rebounding, and BBD just gets blocked. Maybe that's where we're missing Powe the most.

[PLamb]

One player can't affect and change the entire mentality of the team, Sheed is not responsible for the team's laziness and slopiness (a slopiness that we witnessed last year too, although not to that extent).

Hasn't it been universally agreed upon that one player changed the entire mentality and focus of this team once before in the not too distant past

When KG arrived it has been said from everyone from Wyc to Danny to Doc to Pierce that KG changed the every day, every minute, way of doing things from the moment he walked through that door

If it's easy to believe that just one player can effect a team in such a dramatic positive manner then why is it so far fetched for people to think that one player can effect the team in an equally yet opposite negative reaction

KG didn't change the team's mentality by himself for the simple reason that the team was not the same than the year before. Every new player came with a goal : win a championship this season. Of course KG's attitude did help them and fueled everybody but KG didn't singlehandedly make everybody want to win the championship, Ray Allen came here with that goal in mind, Pierce had this goal in mind, Posey and House were proven role players who came here with that same goal, etc.

Plus it doesn't work in the reverse way in my opinion, one player can have some influence on some of his teammates (particularly the younger ones) but he can't change the whole team mentality for bad.

If you really think that Sheed has given this "lazy" attitude to KG, Ray and Pierce, I really don't know what to tell you except that you clearly underestimate these players' mental and focus. And Sheed is not on the court when the starters start collapsing in the third quarter by themselves.

Per Paul Pierce:

"The whole face of Celtics Nation turned around when the trade happened with this guy," declared Paul Pierce after last night's 117-97 dispatch of the Suns. "Everyone talks about the MVP and they talk about numbers, but this guy has changed the whole culture around here, and I think that says a lot for everything. The mentality, to a day-to-day aspect, everything is changed from a year ago."

http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2008/03/27/garnett_is_mvp_most_vital_presence/

[gar]

BBD seems to be getting a free pass simply because of his hustle; unfortunately the results are not much better - or even worse. Is hard to underestimate the impact of a poorly timed 3 or a stuff on the dynamic of the game.

[vinnie]

I hate to put the blame on one guy, but in '08 and last season without KG, this team hustled their butts off and played great defense.  They started out good this year, but then Sheed started playing lazy, soon after the team followed.

I'm not really blaming Sheed, because frankly, if the team would allow one player's attitude to infect the entire team, that's on them.  It should have been the other way around, their hustle and hard work rubbing off onto Rasheed, but it hasn't.

Again, not really blaming Sheed, because it's on the Celtics if they let Rasheed's attitude infect the whole team.

Seems like none of the players had this attitude until Rasheed got here.  And I loved the Rasheed signing.

I think this Rasheed is infecting the team with lazyness is pure crap. Rasheed has a pretty good January, and our team was still playing like crap.

I'd like to see the stats for Rasheed's "pretty good January."

[BudweiserCeltic]

I hate to put the blame on one guy, but in '08 and last season without KG, this team hustled their butts off and played great defense.  They started out good this year, but then Sheed started playing lazy, soon after the team followed.

I'm not really blaming Sheed, because frankly, if the team would allow one player's attitude to infect the entire team, that's on them.  It should have been the other way around, their hustle and hard work rubbing off onto Rasheed, but it hasn't.

Again, not really blaming Sheed, because it's on the Celtics if they let Rasheed's attitude infect the whole team.

Seems like none of the players had this attitude until Rasheed got here.  And I loved the Rasheed signing.

I think this Rasheed is infecting the team with lazyness is pure crap. Rasheed has a pretty good January, and our team was still playing like crap.

I'd like to see the stats for Rasheed's "pretty good January."

Nothing is holding you back from doing so, have at it.

[Bankshot]

One player can't affect and change the entire mentality of the team, Sheed is not responsible for the team's laziness and slopiness (a slopiness that we witnessed last year too, although not to that extent).

Hasn't it been universally agreed upon that one player changed the entire mentality and focus of this team once before in the not too distant past

When KG arrived it has been said from everyone from Wyc to Danny to Doc to Pierce that KG changed the every day, every minute, way of doing things from the moment he walked through that door

If it's easy to believe that just one player can effect a team in such a dramatic positive manner then why is it so far fetched for people to think that one player can effect the team in an equally yet opposite negative reaction

KG didn't change the team's mentality by himself for the simple reason that the team was not the same than the year before. Every new player came with a goal : win a championship this season. Of course KG's attitude did help them and fueled everybody but KG didn't singlehandedly make everybody want to win the championship, Ray Allen came here with that goal in mind, Pierce had this goal in mind, Posey and House were proven role players who came here with that same goal, etc.

Plus it doesn't work in the reverse way in my opinion, one player can have some influence on some of his teammates (particularly the younger ones) but he can't change the whole team mentality for bad.

If you really think that Sheed has given this "lazy" attitude to KG, Ray and Pierce, I really don't know what to tell you except that you clearly underestimate these players' mental and focus. And Sheed is not on the court when the starters start collapsing in the third quarter by themselves.

Per Paul Pierce:

"The whole face of Celtics Nation turned around when the trade happened with this guy," declared Paul Pierce after last night's 117-97 dispatch of the Suns. "Everyone talks about the MVP and they talk about numbers, but this guy has changed the whole culture around here, and I think that says a lot for everything. The mentality, to a day-to-day aspect, everything is changed from a year ago."

http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2008/03/27/garnett_is_mvp_most_vital_presence/

Yep.  If one player can change things to the positive, I don't see any reason why one player can't change things negatively.

[BudweiserCeltic]

One player can't affect and change the entire mentality of the team, Sheed is not responsible for the team's laziness and slopiness (a slopiness that we witnessed last year too, although not to that extent).

Hasn't it been universally agreed upon that one player changed the entire mentality and focus of this team once before in the not too distant past

When KG arrived it has been said from everyone from Wyc to Danny to Doc to Pierce that KG changed the every day, every minute, way of doing things from the moment he walked through that door

If it's easy to believe that just one player can effect a team in such a dramatic positive manner then why is it so far fetched for people to think that one player can effect the team in an equally yet opposite negative reaction

KG didn't change the team's mentality by himself for the simple reason that the team was not the same than the year before. Every new player came with a goal : win a championship this season. Of course KG's attitude did help them and fueled everybody but KG didn't singlehandedly make everybody want to win the championship, Ray Allen came here with that goal in mind, Pierce had this goal in mind, Posey and House were proven role players who came here with that same goal, etc.

Plus it doesn't work in the reverse way in my opinion, one player can have some influence on some of his teammates (particularly the younger ones) but he can't change the whole team mentality for bad.

If you really think that Sheed has given this "lazy" attitude to KG, Ray and Pierce, I really don't know what to tell you except that you clearly underestimate these players' mental and focus. And Sheed is not on the court when the starters start collapsing in the third quarter by themselves.

Per Paul Pierce:

"The whole face of Celtics Nation turned around when the trade happened with this guy," declared Paul Pierce after last night's 117-97 dispatch of the Suns. "Everyone talks about the MVP and they talk about numbers, but this guy has changed the whole culture around here, and I think that says a lot for everything. The mentality, to a day-to-day aspect, everything is changed from a year ago."

http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2008/03/27/garnett_is_mvp_most_vital_presence/

Yep.  If one player can change things to the positive, I don't see any reason why one player can't change things negatively.

The situations don't compare, particularly because of the roles they play in our team. Rasheed's "lazyness" is in no way responsible for what is currently happening. Injuries are vastly responsible for this, and old patterns that were present in the past haven't been corrected as swiftly this year as we have done before. This is nothing new with this team. What's different is the length of time of what is happening.

And as I've mentioned quite a few times before, before I start pointing fingers at Sheed for our TEAM performance, I'd start looking into what Rondo is doing on the floor and how the team responds to it. That's more telling of what is happening and has more impact than whatever Sheed is doing, good or bad.

[wiley]

Well, I warned many times about adding Sheed, for personality and chemistry issues, and for potentially having one too many older players on the team....

Thing is, I still have no real proof that he is the reason the C's are losing....I know for sure that he isn't the sole reason.  But never underestimate intangibles, in which department Sheed comes up close to zero.

Still, if we are healthy, I can't imagine he won't do some good in the playoffs.  However, I've reached the point where I don't want him even taking the 3's that are in the flow of the offense...I want him taking zero threes...that's right, zero.  Time to play him exclusively at center and leave him down low all the time, spacing be [dang]ed...adjust the lineup accordingly...

We lack fire...and even an injured Powe would have provided a few sparkles of fire from the bench.  These things we call teams are fragile things....in the physical sense and beyond.