Doc: The worst kind of coach Rasheed could have

[connerhenry43]

Doc and his love of veterans. i am sure sheed knew that when he signed here, he can tell sheed to knock off the 3's, and sheed can ignore him. doc does nothing.  he can not play any defense and doc will forgive it. sheed has not done one thing to earn playing time this year, yet doc seems like he gives him more and more. he goes 4-13 today, 1-5 from three point land, gets crunch time minutes, and plays 29 minutes altogether. meanhwile, perk, a guy who gives solid effort night in and night out, leads the nba in field goal percentage, plays 19 minutes. makes no sense.

the mix of doc and sheed is oil and water. this team might not have contended for a title this year anyway, but the signing of sheed cemented that. has been living off his reputation for years, and doc rivers, who could send a message to the lazy player by docking minutes, instead does not seem to care that he plays zero defense, shoots 28% from the 3 point stripe, gets 4 rebounds a game, shoots 40% from the field and almost never goes to the line. does doc bench him? no. does he take away minutes? no.

he has no problem benching perk though, who only was the starting center on a title winner a few years back, and has done nothing but improve since then. 

[Drucci]

Did you see how Perk played tonight? He was awful and frankly, even worse than Sheed, so he deserved to be benched.

[Onslaught]

Doc and his love of veterans. i am sure sheed knew that when he signed here, he can tell sheed to knock off the 3's, and sheed can ignore him. doc does nothing.  he can not play any defense and doc will forgive it. sheed has not done one thing to earn playing time this year, yet doc seems like he gives him more and more. he goes 4-13 today, 1-5 from three point land, gets crunch time minutes, and plays 29 minutes altogether. meanhwile, perk, a guy who gives solid effort night in and night out, leads the nba in field goal percentage, plays 19 minutes. makes no sense.

the mix of doc and sheed is oil and water. this team might not have contended for a title this year anyway, but the signing of sheed cemented that. has been living off his reputation for years, and doc rivers, who could send a message to the lazy player by docking minutes, instead does not seem to care that he plays zero defense, shoots 28% from the 3 point stripe, gets 4 rebounds a game, shoots 40% from the field and almost never goes to the line. does doc bench him? no. does he take away minutes? no.

he has no problem benching perk though, who only was the starting center on a title winner a few years back, and has done nothing but improve since then. 

I've been told that Sheed will "turn it on" in the playoffs. 

[connerhenry43]

Did you see how Perk played tonight? He was awful and frankly, even worse than Sheed, so he deserved to be benched.

that is my point.

sheed has deserved to be benched from day one. he was brutal today too.  he has been brutal all year. has he been benched? no. has he lost minutes? no.

why? because he is a veteran. and for that matter, so is perk, but doc still views him as a kid, so he can be jerked around, he can be benched. but sheed has a sense of entitlement and that stems from a coach like doc.

i am not saying doc is the problem, although he deserves part of it. i just know that he is the kind of coach under whom sheed will coast because he knows doc will still call  his name.

[Drucci]

Did you see how Perk played tonight? He was awful and frankly, even worse than Sheed, so he deserved to be benched.

that is my point.

sheed has deserved to be benched from day one. he was brutal today too.  he has been brutal all year. has he been benched? no. has he lost minutes? no.

why? because he is a veteran. and for that matter, so is perk, but doc still views him as a kid, so he can be jerked around, he can be benched. but sheed has a sense of entitlement and that stems from a coach like doc.

i am not saying doc is the problem, although he deserves part of it. i just know that he is the kind of coach under whom sheed will coast because he knows doc will still call  his name.

Doc plays Rasheed over Perk most of the time because we have trouble to score and Perk is clearly not the solution (he is a big part of the problem actually).

Sheed's shooting percentages haven't been good this season but he is still much more effective and dangerous offensively than Perk, so I understand why Doc doesn't hesitate to pull Perk off the game to put Sheed in. Even if he doesn't shoot well, Sheed stretches the opponents' defense and helps create spaces for his teammates by his mere presence, a think Perk doesn't do at all (on the contrary, his teammates are creating easy buckets for Perk).

[connerhenry43]

Did you see how Perk played tonight? He was awful and frankly, even worse than Sheed, so he deserved to be benched.

that is my point.

sheed has deserved to be benched from day one. he was brutal today too.  he has been brutal all year. has he been benched? no. has he lost minutes? no.

why? because he is a veteran. and for that matter, so is perk, but doc still views him as a kid, so he can be jerked around, he can be benched. but sheed has a sense of entitlement and that stems from a coach like doc.

i am not saying doc is the problem, although he deserves part of it. i just know that he is the kind of coach under whom sheed will coast because he knows doc will still call  his name.

Doc plays Rasheed over Perk most of the time because we have trouble to score and Perk is clearly not the solution (he is a big part of the problem actually).

Sheed's shooting percentages haven't been good this season but he is still much more effective and dangerous offensively than Perk, so I understand why Doc doesn't hesitate to pull Perk off the game to put Sheed in.

i guess we just disagree. which is OK. par tof the fun of being on a site like this.  i do think sheed would perform better under a coach who actually made you earn your minutes. and we do have problems offensively (defensively too) and perk is obviously not a great scorer, but he shoots 21% better from the field than sheed. it is apples and oranges a bit because sheed is more of a prime option with that second unit and takes tougher shots and takes 3's, but that is an amazing gap.

[Drucci]

Did you see how Perk played tonight? He was awful and frankly, even worse than Sheed, so he deserved to be benched.

that is my point.

sheed has deserved to be benched from day one. he was brutal today too.  he has been brutal all year. has he been benched? no. has he lost minutes? no.

why? because he is a veteran. and for that matter, so is perk, but doc still views him as a kid, so he can be jerked around, he can be benched. but sheed has a sense of entitlement and that stems from a coach like doc.

i am not saying doc is the problem, although he deserves part of it. i just know that he is the kind of coach under whom sheed will coast because he knows doc will still call  his name.

Doc plays Rasheed over Perk most of the time because we have trouble to score and Perk is clearly not the solution (he is a big part of the problem actually).

Sheed's shooting percentages haven't been good this season but he is still much more effective and dangerous offensively than Perk, so I understand why Doc doesn't hesitate to pull Perk off the game to put Sheed in.

i guess we just disagree. which is OK. par tof the fun of being on a site like this.  i do think sheed would perform better under a coach who actually made you earn your minutes. and we do have problems offensively (defensively too) and perk is obviously not a great scorer, but he shoots 21% better from the field than sheed. it is apples and oranges a bit because sheed is more of a prime option with that second unit and takes tougher shots and takes 3's, but that is an amazing gap.

Yeah, overall I agree that Doc should be playing Perk more minutes than Sheed, especially for the sake of our defense.

But on this particular game, it didn't shock me to see Perk benched, actually I was relieved when I saw Doc sub him out.

[Who]

Perkins was dreadful today. It feels like he's having a lot of bad games recently. Over the past month or so.

Perkins has to get back to his strong play from the end of last season + the beginning of this season.

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Perkins was dreadful today. It feels like he's having a lot of bad games recently. Over the past month or so.

Perkins has to get back to his strong play from the end of last season + the beginning of this season.

He has Sheed breathing on his neck. Perk is in a funk. He sees Sheed getting his minutes for no dam reason. Celtics won a lot of games with Perk, now isn't the time to change things DOC!!

[soap07]

I'm not sure this is a question of the "wrong" coach for Rasheed. This is who Sheed is. It's who he has been his whole career, save for one title run. He's what, 36-37 years old? At this point, he has to motivate himself, whether Genghis Kahn is his coach or Doc.

[connerhenry43]

I'm not sure this is a question of the "wrong" coach for Rasheed. This is who Sheed is. It's who he has been his whole career, save for one title run. He's what, 36-37 years old? At this point, he has to motivate himself, whether Genghis Kahn is his coach or Doc.

you cannot cut players in the nba (for the most part). the only carrot you can dangle as a coach is playing time. sheed came in out of shape, gives a crap effort, does not rebound, and when he does, all his outlet passes are just flung to the nearest player, regardless if it is a point guard or if that player has a defender on top of him.

doc needs to keep this guy hungry and in that regard, he has failed miserably. no one would call sheed a high motor guy, but doc has failed to get the most out of him and to me, that is partially because sheed is smart enough to know that doc will not hold him accountable for poor play and effort.

[LooseCannon]

From the talk in this thread, it's as if people don't realize that a) Perk is playing more minutes than Sheed (by about 5 mpg) and b) Perkins' minutes are only down by about 1 mpg compared to last season when the lack of big man depth forced him to be on the floor more than was probably necessary.  Rasheed Wallace is not taking minutes away from KP or KG;  he's taken over Leon Powe's minutes and taken some from Glen Davis.

But if you want to send a message to Wallace, I say Doc should bench him in favor of Scal.  I bet Scal would be willing to try and take a charge from LeBron James.

[MBz]

Did you see how Perk played tonight? He was awful and frankly, even worse than Sheed, so he deserved to be benched.

I agree, but I think that is a lot of people's issue with Doc.  He's willing to bench Perkins but Sheed can do whatever he wants.  Why not give Sheed the benching as well?  Obviously not today as someone HAS to play, but in past games, Sheed should have been benched 100%.

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From the talk in this thread, it's as if people don't realize that a) Perk is playing more minutes than Sheed (by about 5 mpg) and b) Perkins' minutes are only down by about 1 mpg compared to last season when the lack of big man depth forced him to be on the floor more than was probably necessary.  Rasheed Wallace is not taking minutes away from KP or KG;  he's taken over Leon Powe's minutes and taken some from Glen Davis.

But if you want to send a message to Wallace, I say Doc should bench him in favor of Scal.  I bet Scal would be willing to try and take a charge from LeBron James.

Good point.  Sheed looks like the Kandi man on D sometimes:  he quits as soon as he thinks he's beat, no heart, etc.

Kandi was perty talented offensively, too. 

[Who]

I'm not sure this is a question of the "wrong" coach for Rasheed. This is who Sheed is. It's who he has been his whole career, save for one title run. He's what, 36-37 years old? At this point, he has to motivate himself, whether Genghis Kahn is his coach or Doc.

Agreed -- No coach would do better than Doc.

Most of the complaints on Sheed are simply who is both physically + mentally.