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Re: Ainge says problem is lack of effort from the starters (Boston Globe)
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2010, 01:22:41 PM »

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Two interesting statements in the article:

Said coach Doc Rivers following Thursday’s game: "There’s nothing I can do about [double-digit leads]. Obviously, I’d like to improve it. We’d like to be better. But we’re not right now, and we’ve just got to keep working on it. I know what we need to do. But one night it’ll be the defense, one night it’ll be the offense."

Then Danny says: "We have to play with more focus and commitment. It’s effort. It’s there to start the game and it’s up to the players."

Maybe I'm just too old school, or just too old, but if there's no one to motivate the players through various means, then I don't quite understand the need for high paid coaches. Doc says there's nothing he can do about it, and Danny says it's up to the players. Sounds pretty pathetic to me. If they're not playing 100%, then sit them until their attitude and effort changes.

Re: Ainge says problem is lack of effort from the starters (Boston Globe)
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2010, 01:27:09 PM »

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Two interesting statements in the article:

Said coach Doc Rivers following Thursday’s game: "There’s nothing I can do about [double-digit leads]. Obviously, I’d like to improve it. We’d like to be better. But we’re not right now, and we’ve just got to keep working on it. I know what we need to do. But one night it’ll be the defense, one night it’ll be the offense."

Then Danny says: "We have to play with more focus and commitment. It’s effort. It’s there to start the game and it’s up to the players."

Maybe I'm just too old school, or just too old, but if there's no one to motivate the players through various means, then I don't quite understand the need for high paid coaches. Doc says there's nothing he can do about it, and Danny says it's up to the players. Sounds pretty pathetic to me. If they're not playing 100%, then sit them until their attitude and effort changes.

Well, in many ways Doc is a K.C. Jones style coach.  He's also not that much different than Phil Jackson.  He can draw up some plays, but his greatest strength is keeping a bunch of talented players on the same page.  Doc's done that. 

But he's not Bill Fitch or Pat Riley.  He's not going to ream out anyone. 

I'm not sure if the team needs the change, but it's just not in Doc. 

Re: Ainge says problem is lack of effort from the starters (Boston Globe)
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2010, 01:38:35 PM »

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  I just saw Greg Dickerson on tv talking about this. He said he spoke to Perk and Perk said that some of the players were bored with the process and waiting impatiently for the playoffs to start.

glad to hear some honesty from one of them, good for Perk!

Now if Perk could actually start playing well himself.
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Re: Ainge says problem is lack of effort from the starters (Boston Globe)
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2010, 01:58:13 PM »

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Two interesting statements in the article:

Said coach Doc Rivers following Thursday’s game: "There’s nothing I can do about [double-digit leads]. Obviously, I’d like to improve it. We’d like to be better. But we’re not right now, and we’ve just got to keep working on it. I know what we need to do. But one night it’ll be the defense, one night it’ll be the offense."

Then Danny says: "We have to play with more focus and commitment. It’s effort. It’s there to start the game and it’s up to the players."

Maybe I'm just too old school, or just too old, but if there's no one to motivate the players through various means, then I don't quite understand the need for high paid coaches. Doc says there's nothing he can do about it, and Danny says it's up to the players. Sounds pretty pathetic to me. If they're not playing 100%, then sit them until their attitude and effort changes.

Well, in many ways Doc is a K.C. Jones style coach.  He's also not that much different than Phil Jackson.  He can draw up some plays, but his greatest strength is keeping a bunch of talented players on the same page.  Doc's done that. 

But he's not Bill Fitch or Pat Riley.  He's not going to ream out anyone. 

I'm not sure if the team needs the change, but it's just not in Doc. 

Very good anti-Doc comparisons.  Yet he's no O'Brien, Van Gundy, or Carlyle, either.  They don't ream out players, but they do hold them accountable in a very clear and direct way. 

That said, I really don't think KG is going home and putting the press on his woman anymore, denying the wing, etc.  Getting older, I guess.  And that's the difference:  with Doc as coach, the players have to hold themselves and each other accountable, and I don't think they are now.  KG, coming back from injury, isn't that force that can dominate practice and get on the other guys.  PP really isn't that kind of guy, and Ray isn't that type of motivator, either.  They are not focused on improving execution every game/practice.  I remember how, in '08, after every blowout the players talked about how much they screwed up and needed to improve, like they wanted to play a perfect game.  They came very close very often. 

They can't just 'flip a switch' in the playoffs and do that, even if, in their mind, they think they can.  It just doesn't work that way, not at 33-35.  They may play with more urgency, but their quickness won't be any better.  They are more likely to reach into the tank and find it only half full (or empty?) than find themselves suddenly near their prime again.  They say they're waiting for the playoffs, but they're fooling themselves as much as us.

Re: Ainge says problem is lack of effort from the starters (Boston Globe)
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2010, 02:05:30 PM »

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I think Doc is a good coach. But he needs to be more honest with these guys, and less passive.  He needs to invoke a sense of urgency.  I wish he would incorporate a little more Stan Van Gundy. That guy is annoying, but I think he is a very good motivator, and very honest with what he sees. Not afraid to talk straight with his super stars either.

Really Stan Van Gundy? Didn't the Magic players have a meeting with him earlier in the year and basically told him that he needs to come down and yelling at them doesn't do anything to motivate them? Maybe Doc needs to do something different but I certainly don't think the Stan Van Gundy approach is a good idea especially with a veteran cast

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2010, 02:52:54 PM »

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This team is NOT going to coast the rest of the season and then win the championship. There is no chance of that happening.

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2010, 02:59:58 PM »

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Looks like they got the message today against the lowly Nets... ::)
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2010, 03:18:15 PM »

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Bobby Knight once said the best motivator is to sit on the bench.

If someone isn't giving effort - sit them on the pine, no matter who it is.

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2010, 03:25:47 PM »

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Bobby Knight once said the best motivator is to sit on the bench.

If someone isn't giving effort - sit them on the pine, no matter who it is.

If it takes benching the starting lineup to light a fire under them I am all for it. Let the bench start the game.

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2010, 03:30:18 PM »

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Bobby Knight once said the best motivator is to sit on the bench.

If someone isn't giving effort - sit them on the pine, no matter who it is.

If it takes benching the starting lineup to light a fire under them I am all for it. Let the bench start the game.

after today they should bench the starters

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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2010, 03:31:23 PM »

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after this kind of loss they should just cancel the season...
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Re: Ainge says problem is lack of effort from the starters (Boston Globe)
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2010, 03:52:07 PM »

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Guess what...... If you can't do a lobotomy on the starting five, you might as well replace the COACH. This probably should have happened already.
I'm not sure I see what difference a coaching change will make in increasing their effort.

I am not around the team, so I don't know any details. Nevertheless, I have always worried about the day when Rondo becomes the man because he is so strong willed. Hopefully, this isn't the team taking on his personality.

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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2010, 03:59:52 PM »

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I forgot the game was on until the 4th Quarter (gee, wonder why I forgot??), then I turned it on, saw the score, automatically assumed the Celtics were the ones winning with the higher score. Buckets scored, then I looked at the scoreboard more closely, I was like ****?!?! As bad as the Celtics have been playing, I never thought they'd be too old to beat the 5-52 NJ Nets with a day of rest between games! Ainge should clean house of all these old players. I'd rather watch over-achieving, husseling, young players than this crap. Can we trade our Roster with the Atlanta Hawks' roster?? lol

Championship team? Hell no! Not with KG's knee. Stick a fork in them. They'll be ousted in the 2nd round --  if they make it that far. Go any team but the Lakers!

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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2010, 04:02:15 PM »

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I forgot the game was on until the 4th Quarter (gee, wonder why I forgot??), then I turned it on, saw the score, automatically assumed the Celtics were the ones winning with the higher score. Buckets scored, then I looked at the scoreboard more closely, I was like ****?!?! As bad as the Celtics have been playing, I never thought they'd be too old to beat the 5-52 NJ Nets with a day of rest between games! Ainge should clean house of all these old players. I'd rather watch over-achieving, husseling, young players than this crap. Can we trade our Roster with the Atlanta Hawks' roster?? lol

Championship team? Hell no! Not with KG's knee. Stick a fork in them. They'll be ousted in the 2nd round --  if they make it that far. Go any team but the Lakers!

it ain't KG's knee, and it ain't old age, it's a poor attitude. KG looked good today.

Re: Ainge says problem is lack of effort from the starters (Boston Globe)
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2010, 04:12:43 PM »

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I forgot the game was on until the 4th Quarter (gee, wonder why I forgot??), then I turned it on, saw the score, automatically assumed the Celtics were the ones winning with the higher score. Buckets scored, then I looked at the scoreboard more closely, I was like ****?!?! As bad as the Celtics have been playing, I never thought they'd be too old to beat the 5-52 NJ Nets with a day of rest between games! Ainge should clean house of all these old players. I'd rather watch over-achieving, husseling, young players than this crap. Can we trade our Roster with the Atlanta Hawks' roster?? lol

Championship team? Hell no! Not with KG's knee. Stick a fork in them. They'll be ousted in the 2nd round --  if they make it that far. Go any team but the Lakers!

it ain't KG's knee, and it ain't old age, it's a poor attitude. KG looked good today.

Should've checked the box score before posting that. Looks like Perkins didn't do anything offensively and Ray had a bad shooting night. Could we use a time machine to pay Rasheed Wallace just to play in the playoffs and the few weeks before to get in-game-shape? That way his lazy attitude wouldn't rub off on the rest of the Celtics?