C's interested in Ilguaskas

[the_Bird]

I would take it another way.  A player can return to their original team (hell, even take out the 30 day waiting period).  However, just make it so they are ineligible for the playoffs if they do return to their original team during that season.  That will definitely make them think twice about circumventing the rules, but it will also allow player, who truly don't want to move their family in the middle of the school year, to have that option.

That would work, but strikes me as needlessly complicated.  There are rules about guys being traded back to their original team during the same season, right?  What I propose is simple, clean, and would work.  I'm not all that worried about players being forced to move; hell, that's part of being a professional athelete. 

From a bigger-picture perspective, I'd like the trade rules to also be simplied.  Institute a HARD salary cap, like in the NFL, along with a required minimum.  Say, you must spend at least $30M on player salaries, but not more than $75M.  Then, trade however the hell you want, as long as you're within that range.  No more Bird rules; you want to keep your key player - don't waste money on other guys.  You could still have max-salary rules, but those would just be protecting teams from themselves (keep the Knicks from offering LeBron $75M and making him play 1-on-5).

Be a lot simpler, cleaner overall.   

[sk7326]

I would take it another way.  A player can return to their original team (hell, even take out the 30 day waiting period).  However, just make it so they are ineligible for the playoffs if they do return to their original team during that season.  That will definitely make them think twice about circumventing the rules, but it will also allow player, who truly don't want to move their family in the middle of the school year, to have that option.

just do what baseball does - make March 1 (or whatever date) the day teams have to freeze playoff rosters ... nobody added after that is eligible ...

so if you keep the 3rd week feb deadline ... well do the math yourself ... guys can be traded in this manner, but it has to be early ...

of course between march 1 and such there should be some injury related changes and stuff - not sure best way to fix that but whatever

[sk7326]

That would work, but strikes me as needlessly complicated.  There are rules about guys being traded back to their original team during the same season, right?  What I propose is simple, clean, and would work.  I'm not all that worried about players being forced to move; hell, that's part of being a professional athelete. 

From a bigger-picture perspective, I'd like the trade rules to also be simplied.  Institute a HARD salary cap, like in the NFL, along with a required minimum.  Say, you must spend at least $30M on player salaries, but not more than $75M.  Then, trade however the hell you want, as long as you're within that range.  No more Bird rules; you want to keep your key player - don't waste money on other guys.  You could still have max-salary rules, but those would just be protecting teams from themselves (keep the Knicks from offering LeBron $75M and making him play 1-on-5).

Be a lot simpler, cleaner overall.   
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Get rid of the maximum salary rules too - why restrict what the revenue generators earn?  The problem with the current structure is not LeBron's salary - it's Erick Dampier and Andre Iguodala's.

I don't mind players moving - except these teams are individual companies ... if you are forced to transfer from the best company in your field to the most incompetent, you'd have a right to be upset

The salary floor is a bad idea - a rebuilding team being forced to pay $30M to prop up a team will only exacerbate the problem of undeserving players being paid too much. 

[#1 Lakerhater]

Ilguaskas just got bought out by the Wizards. DANNY-make your move for him NOW! He can play for us tonight AGAINST the Cavs!

[the_Bird]

Get rid of the maximum salary rules too - why restrict what the revenue generators earn?  The problem with the current structure is not LeBron's salary - it's Erick Dampier and Andre Iguodala's.

I don't mind players moving - except these teams are individual companies ... if you are forced to transfer from the best company in your field to the most incompetent, you'd have a right to be upset

The salary floor is a bad idea - a rebuilding team being forced to pay $30M to prop up a team will only exacerbate the problem of undeserving players being paid too much. 

Sure would suck to be a fan of the Clippers without a salary floor in place....

Union would never, EVER agree to a hard cap without there also being a floor in place.  Don't think they'd agree to one regardless, but not a prayer otherwise.  If you don't have teams like New York and Cleveland, willing and able to pay out $100M in total salaries, losing that means having to make sure every team is ponying up at least a certain amount each year.

If a team was only paying out, say, $20M in salaries, make them cough up the remainder into a pool that gets distributed among all players, or all players on rookie deals, or all young players who are outperforming their contracts (like the NFL does).

[sk7326]

Get rid of the maximum salary rules too - why restrict what the revenue generators earn?  The problem with the current structure is not LeBron's salary - it's Erick Dampier and Andre Iguodala's.

I don't mind players moving - except these teams are individual companies ... if you are forced to transfer from the best company in your field to the most incompetent, you'd have a right to be upset

The salary floor is a bad idea - a rebuilding team being forced to pay $30M to prop up a team will only exacerbate the problem of undeserving players being paid too much. 

Sure would suck to be a fan of the Clippers without a salary floor in place....

Union would never, EVER agree to a hard cap without there also being a floor in place.  Don't think they'd agree to one regardless, but not a prayer otherwise.  If you don't have teams like New York and Cleveland, willing and able to pay out $100M in total salaries, losing that means having to make sure every team is ponying up at least a certain amount each year.

If a team was only paying out, say, $20M in salaries, make them cough up the remainder into a pool that gets distributed among all players, or all players on rookie deals, or all young players who are outperforming their contracts (like the NFL does).

teams should be forced to keep a basketball operation going and pay for scouting and whatnot ... an arbitrary floor limits the possibilities for teams to actually get better, which is the big problem in the league now ...

So the Clippers are cheap?  We all know that.  I think a cap is stupid too - but if there HAS to be a hard cap - i suppose some sort of salary minimum is necessary, at least in aggregate i.e. maybe not all teams need to carry a minimum payroll but that the league must pay out a minimum of X in overall salary.

Ultimately this is all very funny - since this is ALL the owners and managers fault.  If the league is in trouble - it's really Stern and the owners fault for treating fans very very poorly. 

[Brickowski]

Ilgauskas has already returned to Cleveland.  He'll wait the requisite 30 days and resign with the Cavs.

[cdif911]

I think the league should show some balls and actually prevent the Cavs from re-signing him. 

No free trades.

Couldn't agree more. The Cavs get Jamison for nothing. Highway robbery.

remember Gary Payton a few years back?

Didn't like that move then, still don't like that move now. I just don't think it's fair to the rest of the league.

Agreed.  It kind of defeats the purpose of making a trade if you get the players you traded back.

It doesn't just kind of defeat the purpose of the trade.  The word trade means you give up something to get something.

while unfair and not cool, it's hypocritical of the league to disallow it if it's not specifically against the rules.  And for us as Celtics fans, it's kind of petty to be all mad about it because our team did the same thing a few years back and no one complained

[housecall]

I think the toughest part of this deal is Mike Brown finding enough minutes for everybody to get them hitting on all cylinders.As it stands Shaq has taken up some of Ilquaskas minutes because AV needs some of the time also.Now you got to figure out how to distribute the minutes in order to get the best out of each guy might not be that easy.Chemistry is key to winning consistently.I just think sometimes a team can be overstacked.Jaminson will need a certain amount of minutes to be effective which will take away from the younger pf's they are developing.

[cdif911]

I think the toughest part of this deal is Mike Brown finding enough minutes for everybody to get them hitting on all cylinders.As it stands Shaq has taken up some of Ilquaskas minutes because AV needs some of the time also.Now you got to figure out how to distribute the minutes in order to get the best out of each guy might not be that easy.Chemistry is key to winning consistently.I just think sometimes a team can be overstacked.Jaminson will need a certain amount of minutes to be effective which will take away from the younger pf's they are developing.

I'd like to see Z at the point

[Greenbean]

The C's, and every other team in the league, can be as interested as they want.  Z's going back to the Cavs. 

The next CBA should include a rule where the player, if bought out of their contract after a trade, cannot resign with their original team.  It's nothing but cap circumvention and rigged trading.

Doesn't matter that this case is Z in particular.  Still feel the same way if the C's had traded Ray with the expectation of resigning him.  It's not a ethical practice even if it is within the current rules.

What does ethics have to do with anything? Who is getting cheated? It takes two teams to complete the transaction. If anything, the team that buys out the guy they just traded for should be reprimanded. THAT is the team that just punched their fans in the stomach. No matter what team the player ends up on, the idea of buying a player out just to put money in the owner's pocket is the real problem.

[housecall]

I think the toughest part of this deal is Mike Brown finding enough minutes for everybody to get them hitting on all cylinders.As it stands Shaq has taken up some of Ilquaskas minutes because AV needs some of the time also.Now you got to figure out how to distribute the minutes in order to get the best out of each guy might not be that easy.Chemistry is key to winning consistently.I just think sometimes a team can be overstacked.Jaminson will need a certain amount of minutes to be effective which will take away from the younger pf's they are developing.

I'd like to see Z at the point

Me too it would definitely work in our favor.

[Jon]

While I don't see the Celtics being much of a better destination for Big Z, I do wonder if he thinks twice about rejoining the Cavs.  There are not enough minutes to go around for Shaq, Jamison, Big Z, Hickson, and Varejo.  In fact, come playoff time, there might really only be significant minutes for 3 of them, with spot minutes for a 4th. 

Now if Big Z's only goal is to get a ring, even if he doesn't contribute, then Cleveland might be a good place to go.  However, if he wants a shot at a ring where he actually plays, he might be better suited going elsewhere. 

I don't see the C's as being much better, with our glut of KG, Perk, Wallace, and BBD.  I also am not sure that he's the right fit (you think Wallace is slow rotating defensively?).  However, he might be better suited on a team where he's undoubtedly the backup center.