Why no minutes for Marcus Landry?

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Is he really going to get minutes ahead of Shelden Williams?  Really, what did Shelden do to deserve this?

Seriously? They don't play the same position.

[Greenbean]

There is no evidence or facts I can present to say this kid has any potential to contribute to this team. However, if there is any team I would trust to completely botch a trade it's the knicks. I think everyone knows this kid was a throw in, but hey so was Marc Gasol. It's fun to speculate and we really dont know until we see this kid play (if ever).

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Since D'Antoni tends to play small, Marcus was likely competing for minutes at PF behind Harrington, Chandler and Gallinari. My point is simply this is the deepest position on the Knicks.

Landry could be a slightly better fit on the Cs playing the 3. Let's wait to hear from the Cs about whether he could be a solid defender in the half court.  He seems to be able to shoot, so if he could essentially be a more agile version of Scal, maybe the Cs will pick up his (pretty cheap) option for next year considering their lack of financial flexibility.

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I would love to know the reasoning behind why anyone here thinks that an undrafted rookie free agent that was a throw in in a deal to make salaries work and who only was good enough to play a total of 108 minutes on a team that is soooooo bad that they currently have the 5th worse record in the league is good enough to get ANY minutes under ANY circumstances on a team that is fighting for HCA in the playoffs

This one really baffles me

I don't care that Pierce and Daniels will be out

Tony Allen, Ray Allen and Brian Scalabrine are more than adequate enough to man the 2 wing positions for a game

I would love to know the reasoning behind why anyone here thinks that an undrafted rookie free agent that was a throw in in a deal to make salaries work and who only was good enough to play a total of 108 minutes on a team that is soooooo bad that they currently have the 5th worse record in the league is good enough to get ANY minutes under ANY circumstances on a team that is fighting for HCA in the playoffs

This one really baffles me

I don't care that Pierce and Daniels will be out

Tony Allen, Ray Allen and Brian Scalabrine are more than adequate enough to man the 2 wing positions for a game

chances are that landry never sees the floor in this game or any other this season.

however our ability as fans to judge talent based on draft position and playing time is a joke.
i always cringe at argument that "someone obviously can't play because they sit on the bench on a bad team". look at delonte west. after he was traded to seattle folks were saying he was on his way out, "he can't even break the sonics rotation". he gets traded to cleveland and bam, "oh yeah maybe delonte can play"
or look at danny's quote today. "It’s a problem throughout the league. There’s a lot of guys that can play that just don’t get the opportunity to play...".

look at the marquise danials, one of two key offseason signings, if i remember correctly he went undrafted. michael redd was drafted in the second round. as was leon powe, who was all but written off until he forced his way into the rotation. fact is it is very hard to judge the talent of a player we never see, or by his draft position.

on the inverse we are pretty good at judging talent we do get to see. the majority of the blog new al jef had talent. most saw perks game and said "he has the work ethic and temperament to be an excellent defensive center". the more we watched gerald green the more we came to accept that he was a bust.

[Evantime34]

There is no evidence or facts I can present to say this kid has any potential to contribute to this team.

There also isn't any evidence that he won't potentially contribute either.

[guava_wrench]

Has anyone been following Hudson? So far, 7 of his top 10 minutes games were with the Celtics.

The top 2 were with Memphis, his 3rd most minutes is 12, which happened with both teams, and then the next 6 longest appearances were with the Celtics.

Marcus Williams is their backup PG, hardly impressive.

[PLamb]

I would love to know the reasoning behind why anyone here thinks that an undrafted rookie free agent that was a throw in in a deal to make salaries work and who only was good enough to play a total of 108 minutes on a team that is soooooo bad that they currently have the 5th worse record in the league is good enough to get ANY minutes under ANY circumstances on a team that is fighting for HCA in the playoffs

This one really baffles me

I don't care that Pierce and Daniels will be out

Tony Allen, Ray Allen and Brian Scalabrine are more than adequate enough to man the 2 wing positions for a game

I would love to know the reasoning behind why anyone here thinks that an undrafted rookie free agent that was a throw in in a deal to make salaries work and who only was good enough to play a total of 108 minutes on a team that is soooooo bad that they currently have the 5th worse record in the league is good enough to get ANY minutes under ANY circumstances on a team that is fighting for HCA in the playoffs

This one really baffles me

I don't care that Pierce and Daniels will be out

Tony Allen, Ray Allen and Brian Scalabrine are more than adequate enough to man the 2 wing positions for a game

chances are that landry never sees the floor in this game or any other this season.

however our ability as fans to judge talent based on draft position and playing time is a joke.
i always cringe at argument that "someone obviously can't play because they sit on the bench on a bad team". look at delonte west. after he was traded to seattle folks were saying he was on his way out, "he can't even break the sonics rotation". he gets traded to cleveland and bam, "oh yeah maybe delonte can play"
or look at danny's quote today. "It’s a problem throughout the league. There’s a lot of guys that can play that just don’t get the opportunity to play...".

look at the marquise danials, one of two key offseason signings, if i remember correctly he went undrafted. michael redd was drafted in the second round. as was leon powe, who was all but written off until he forced his way into the rotation. fact is it is very hard to judge the talent of a player we never see, or by his draft position.

on the inverse we are pretty good at judging talent we do get to see. the majority of the blog new al jef had talent. most saw perks game and said "he has the work ethic and temperament to be an excellent defensive center". the more we watched gerald green the more we came to accept that he was a bust.

So if we don't get to see people play we then MUST assume that they have loads of talent and that the coaching staff has no idea what it is doing  and should play them so we as a collective entity can see them play and pass judgment on them so that then Danny Ainge can read this blog and decide to keep a player or not??

And just so that we are clear here with the facts

Delonte West was a first round draft pick that was a part of a college backcourt that virtually every national media writer considered the best in the nation that year

Delonte got loads of playing time from the momemt he arrived here

Delonte West was develop by this coaching staff into a decent professional combo guard

He did not just suddenly blossom as a player in Cleveland

Leon Powe like Michael Redd and Marquis Daniels were developed into the players they became by coaching staffs across the league

I can't believe you believe these players come out of college this good and miraculously force their way into rotations, the notion is preposterous

If we don't see them it because they are not yet ready to play NBA basketball or because a team is too stacked with talent in front of them to play

Both were Marcus Landry's problem in New York

And probably will be here

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So if we don't get to see people play we then MUST assume that they have loads of talent and that the coaching staff has no idea what it is doing  and should play them so we as a collective entity can see them play and pass judgment on them so that then Danny Ainge can read this blog and decide to keep a player or not??

And just so that we are clear here with the facts

Delonte West was a first round draft pick that was a part of a college backcourt that virtually every national media writer considered the best in the nation that year

Delonte got loads of playing time from the momemt he arrived here

Delonte West was develop by this coaching staff into a decent professional combo guard

He did not just suddenly blossom as a player in Cleveland

Leon Powe like Michael Redd and Marquis Daniels were developed into the players they became by coaching staffs across the league

I can't believe you believe these players come out of college this good and miraculously force their way into rotations, the notion is preposterous

If we don't see them it because they are not yet ready to play NBA basketball or because a team is too stacked with talent in front of them to play

Both were Marcus Landry's problem in New York

And probably will be here

i'm sorry i don't believe i said any of the things you portray as my argument about talent assessment.

never said landey had any talent. simply said those of us who haven't seen should not make definitive judgments about their talent.
 never claimed we should play him or any one else.
never said proffesional evaluators should defer to bloggers.

never said he delonte bloomed in cleveland, just that his playing time in seattle was no indicator of his talent.

seriously your strawman arguments are just annoying. no need to reply. i'm out.

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is there anyone in this discussion who has ever even seen landry play live? for anyone who says they have, are you actually telling the truth?

let's just see if anything positive or negative comes out of his stint. maybe he'll play a little here or there and show game. maybe he won't but he practices well. maybe he shows nothing. maybe he's gerald green. maybe he's adrian griffin. none of us know.

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is there anyone in this discussion who has ever even seen landry play live? for anyone who says they have, are you actually telling the truth?

let's just see if anything positive or negative comes out of his stint. maybe he'll play a little here or there and show game. maybe he won't but he practices well. maybe he shows nothing. maybe he's gerald green. maybe he's adrian griffin. none of us know.

precisely

[USG]

is there anyone in this discussion who has ever even seen landry play live? for anyone who says they have, are you actually telling the truth?

let's just see if anything positive or negative comes out of his stint. maybe he'll play a little here or there and show game. maybe he won't but he practices well. maybe he shows nothing. maybe he's gerald green. maybe he's adrian griffin. none of us know.

I've seen quite a lot of Landry, actually. A lot of his game relied on him being able to back down smaller college players, which obviously won't happen that easily in the NBA. I don't really think he's got a good shot at contributing on this level unless he really bulks up or changes his game in a big way.

[PLamb]

So if we don't get to see people play we then MUST assume that they have loads of talent and that the coaching staff has no idea what it is doing  and should play them so we as a collective entity can see them play and pass judgment on them so that then Danny Ainge can read this blog and decide to keep a player or not??

And just so that we are clear here with the facts

Delonte West was a first round draft pick that was a part of a college backcourt that virtually every national media writer considered the best in the nation that year

Delonte got loads of playing time from the momemt he arrived here

Delonte West was develop by this coaching staff into a decent professional combo guard

He did not just suddenly blossom as a player in Cleveland

Leon Powe like Michael Redd and Marquis Daniels were developed into the players they became by coaching staffs across the league

I can't believe you believe these players come out of college this good and miraculously force their way into rotations, the notion is preposterous

If we don't see them it because they are not yet ready to play NBA basketball or because a team is too stacked with talent in front of them to play

Both were Marcus Landry's problem in New York

And probably will be here

i'm sorry i don't believe i said any of the things you portray as my argument about talent assessment.

never said landey had any talent. simply said those of us who haven't seen should not make definitive judgments about their talent.
 never claimed we should play him or any one else.
never said proffesional evaluators should defer to bloggers.

never said he delonte bloomed in cleveland, just that his playing time in seattle was no indicator of his talent.

seriously your strawman arguments are just annoying. no need to reply. i'm out.

Then exactly what is your argument

That since I said he wasn't good enough to crack the New York rotation he probably wasn't good enough to crack ours

Or that I said he was an undrafted rookie so that I can assume he isn't tremendously talented

Did it ever occur to you that I am a huge college basketball fan and saw him play multiple times or that I am a avid professional basketball fan and have League Pass and watch some of his minutes this year

Excuse me if I blurred your message into something it isn't but through your own assumptions didn't you do the exact same thing to me

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is there anyone in this discussion who has ever even seen landry play live? for anyone who says they have, are you actually telling the truth?

let's just see if anything positive or negative comes out of his stint. maybe he'll play a little here or there and show game. maybe he won't but he practices well. maybe he shows nothing. maybe he's gerald green. maybe he's adrian griffin. none of us know.

I've seen quite a lot of Landry, actually. A lot of his game relied on him being able to back down smaller college players, which obviously won't happen that easily in the NBA. I don't really think he's got a good shot at contributing on this level unless he really bulks up or changes his game in a big way.

 i saw the same youtube clip.

[USG]

is there anyone in this discussion who has ever even seen landry play live? for anyone who says they have, are you actually telling the truth?

let's just see if anything positive or negative comes out of his stint. maybe he'll play a little here or there and show game. maybe he won't but he practices well. maybe he shows nothing. maybe he's gerald green. maybe he's adrian griffin. none of us know.

I've seen quite a lot of Landry, actually. A lot of his game relied on him being able to back down smaller college players, which obviously won't happen that easily in the NBA. I don't really think he's got a good shot at contributing on this level unless he really bulks up or changes his game in a big way.

 i saw the same youtube clip.

I had (half) season tickets to the Badgers last year. I'm a sophomore at UW-Madison.

Also, his 3-point shooting is that of a typical swing-offense big: wide open shots only. Sort of Rasheed Wallace, for a comparison I know people will hate. I don't know if he can hit from the NBA line consistently, though.

He will play defense, though, assuming Doc is able to make him like Bo did.

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is there anyone in this discussion who has ever even seen landry play live? for anyone who says they have, are you actually telling the truth?

let's just see if anything positive or negative comes out of his stint. maybe he'll play a little here or there and show game. maybe he won't but he practices well. maybe he shows nothing. maybe he's gerald green. maybe he's adrian griffin. none of us know.

I've seen quite a lot of Landry, actually. A lot of his game relied on him being able to back down smaller college players, which obviously won't happen that easily in the NBA. I don't really think he's got a good shot at contributing on this level unless he really bulks up or changes his game in a big way.

 i saw the same youtube clip.

I had (half) season tickets to the Badgers last year. I'm a sophomore at UW-Madison.

Also, his 3-point shooting is that of a typical swing-offense big: wide open shots only. Sort of Rasheed Wallace, for a comparison I know people will hate. I don't know if he can hit from the NBA line consistently, though.

He will play defense, though, assuming Doc is able to make him like Bo did.

Thanks for the deets.