Time to sit BBD and give Shelden Some Run

[Chief]

It's strange. Most short NBA post players figure out quickly what post moves will work in the NBA. I remember Elton Brand had a similar problem his rookie season. Davis just seems to put up shots that he knows will get blocked.

[BudweiserCeltic]

It's strange. Most short NBA post players figure out quickly what post moves will work in the NBA. I remember Elton Brand had a similar problem his rookie season. Davis just seems to put up shots that he knows will get blocked.

I think he's looking for the foul more than anything (and he often is and doesn't get the call). He has incorporated a baby hook that he has used with some frequency this year and it has been quite effective.

[guava_wrench]

His blocked shots are getting rather embarrassing. Why bother at this point.

Then again, I have no idea what Perk was thinking when he tried a lazy jumper over Chris Anderson. That had zero chance.

BBD is a victim of the fact that his shortcoming is so visible -- being swatted. I really don't get the people who harp on his conditioning. What are they basing that criticism on?

[RJ87]

His blocked shots are getting rather embarrassing. Why bother at this point.

I agree, when he does manage to grab a nice board its almost always followed up by him getting stuffed - I kind of expect it nowadays. I always end up screaming at the screen for him to kick it out and let them reset but unfortunately he can't, ya know, hear me lol.

With that said, I've been surprised and even impressed with Glen's commitment to rebounding since he's been back. He just needs to go that extra step and figure out how to go up and convert or kick it out and them reset the offense. Offensive boards are only useful if you're getting 2nd chance points out of it, other than that its just another stat.

[FatjohnReturns]

I've had enough. I am so sick and tired of seeing BBD get stuffed underneath the rim. I am sick of him bending in half thinking he is going to suddenly explode up and score. He has the vertical of a sack of potatoes. You can basically take about 2-3 of his rebounds a game and throw them out because all he does is sit down there and get stuffed. He isn't playing great defense. He is fat and out of shape again. Its time to make him pay the price by bringing Shelden back out there. Man I wish BBD had been packaged with someone and shipped out of town. It's only going to go downhill from here.

Disagree on this.
He is contributing more and more each game. He is rebounding well and he will adjust with more kickouts and fakes. If he is shipped out of town who would we have got thats a upgrade?

[vinnie]

As the OP says, offensive rebounds are useless if you simply go right back up, get blocked, and give the ball back to the opposition. I believe today Glen did that on 3 out of his 4 offensive rebounds. I love the guys hustle at both ends of the floor, but he needs to either learn some moves or kick the ball out.

Surprisingly though it seems he is improving in terms of getting his shots blocked. He is now down to 22 percent of his shots getting blocked, but 31 percent of his shots close to the basket are blocked. That is absolutely atrocious. Especially given that 55 percent of the shots he takes are considered close shots.

[KCattheStripe]

His blocked shots are getting rather embarrassing. Why bother at this point.

Because the only time he's shooting is when he's getting rebounds in ridiculous traffic and lands in a natural triple team with no chance of a kickout. I'll take him getting us a second chance t a basket or a foul any day.

[Bossco]

I think that it has been a mistake for doc to bench Shelden. Play Baby more ok, but to not even give Shelden a sniff? Why? Because BBD makes more $? I think that doc may be afraid to play him because he may play better than Baby.

This team has been reb challenged all year and Shelden is 2nd on the team to Perk for reb/48 min. He can play - we already saw that this year.

It seems smart to me to keep him involved. Why put him completely in moth balls? We all know what will happen if God forbid any of our bigs go down - then doc will be forced to play him. Let him play doc. Imho it will be best to have him at least to have seen some recent action and not be thrown in there if we need him and he hasn't played meaningful minutes for months.

[Toine43]

 

I think that it has been a mistake for doc to bench Shelden. Play Baby more ok, but to not even give Shelden a sniff? Why? Because BBD makes more $? I think that doc may be afraid to play him because he may play better than Baby.

This team has been reb challenged all year and Shelden is 2nd on the team to Perk for reb/48 min. He can play - we already saw that this year.

It seems smart to me to keep him involved. Why put him completely in moth balls? We all know what will happen if God forbid any of our bigs go down - then doc will be forced to play him. Let him play doc. Imho it will be best to have him at least to have seen some recent action and not be thrown in there if we need him and he hasn't played meaningful minutes for months.

It's nothing against Sheldon. I like the idea of him playing and he generally plays consistent basketball. Even though his hands stink he'll always play hard for you and grab some tough boards. It's just that Big Baby's better. Remember that Baby's also been rebounding really well (best offensive rebounder on the team statistically), and he's a better offensive player, a better team defender, can use great leverage to stop elite post players. He's just better. Yeah Baby can drive you crazy with the blocked shots and all but you just have to think rationally, take the emotion out of it, about who is the better player, and there's no question Baby's gotta be the one getting all the minutes. And if one of the bigs goes down then Sheldon will start to play at that point and get adjusted then. It wouldn't be a big deal unless it happened in the playoffs, at which point we'd be screwed anyway.

[Jon]

I think the bigger key is find a better 3 man rotation at the 4/5 spots.  Right now, mostly because Doc doesn't have a good substitution patter, Perk and Sheed are playing too few minutes and BBD is playing too many.  Too often Doc waits until both Perk and KG need to come out, and then we have to bring in both Sheed and BBD.  If Doc could just make a point to take either KG or Perk out at say 7 minutes into the 1st quarter, he could start a 3 man rotation at the 4/5 that could last most of the game. 

[rav123]

I think that it has been a mistake for doc to bench Shelden. Play Baby more ok, but to not even give Shelden a sniff? Why? Because BBD makes more $? I think that doc may be afraid to play him because he may play better than Baby.

This team has been reb challenged all year and Shelden is 2nd on the team to Perk for reb/48 min. He can play - we already saw that this year.

It seems smart to me to keep him involved. Why put him completely in moth balls? We all know what will happen if God forbid any of our bigs go down - then doc will be forced to play him. Let him play doc. Imho it will be best to have him at least to have seen some recent action and not be thrown in there if we need him and he hasn't played meaningful minutes for months.

I feel that the people who want more Shelden think that it is Baby who took his minutes. However, Doc started cutting Shelden's minutes a while before Baby got back in to the rotation. This would mean that it is Shelden's poor play limiting his minutes, rather than Baby's status on the team.

[Bankshot]

I think that it has been a mistake for doc to bench Shelden. Play Baby more ok, but to not even give Shelden a sniff? Why? Because BBD makes more $? I think that doc may be afraid to play him because he may play better than Baby.

This team has been reb challenged all year and Shelden is 2nd on the team to Perk for reb/48 min. He can play - we already saw that this year.

It seems smart to me to keep him involved. Why put him completely in moth balls? We all know what will happen if God forbid any of our bigs go down - then doc will be forced to play him. Let him play doc. Imho it will be best to have him at least to have seen some recent action and not be thrown in there if we need him and he hasn't played meaningful minutes for months.

Shelden doesn't get playing time because he's not good.  The only thing he's good at is rebounding, and Baby's doing that just fine.  So Shelden's Blount hands are not needed.

[ssspence]

Next to Sheed (2 rebounds in 22 min.) anyone looks good.

Agreed. If we could replace Sheed's 3s with getting Baby's 15 footer working again it would make about a 6 point difference per game.

I do agree that Baby needs to be aware of teams with a stronger inside presense like Anderson. Blocks generally lead to fast breaks so it has a pretty negative effect. Turn it out and start the possession fresh when the put back is not there.

[2short]

I like Shelden and hope he is signed (onthe affordable side) to a 2/3 yr deal with team.  BUT Davis does offer the team more.  If anyone goes down I have no problem with shelden taking 10 minutes a game.  He is a very good rebounder and I think his jumper is as good as davis but there aren't enough minutes for him. 
Somehow if danny could take scal & shelden and blend them together...

[EJPLAYA]

Let me be really clear on this. I do not hate BBD. I posted time and time again about how much better he was playing last year taking over for KG. He did a great job for a few reasons. He was in the best shape of his life. He looked muscular and trim. (for him) He was playing very good team defense and taking a lot of charges. He was hitting that outside jumper with more consistency and spreading the floor a bit. He was finishing a little better around the rim due to being able to jump a bit better due to being lighter. He was passing the ball very well from the post. That being said, he was benefiting from starter minutes. He had PP, Rondo, Ray, and Perk out there to distract the other team and benefited from that. He had Perk rebounding the ball very well which didn't make his rebounding such a big deal. There were reasons that he was so successful but most of them started with his weight.

This year he is CLEARLY heavier than he was last season. He doesn't have the muscle tone he had. His belly is obviously hanging farther over his shorts than last year. The result is he once again can not get ANY lift off the floor and also can't slide into position as well. He has taken a few charges due to just standing there, but all those charges he was getting last year in rotation are for the most part getting called as blocks. Don't let 2 in that Portland game fool you into thinking he is getting anywhere close to as many.

The reason I think he ought to be benched for a short while is that he obviously has a sense of entitlement. He thinks his play last year guaranteed him minutes. He CHOSE to come back fat. Had he come back in better shape than the year before (he had a lot of time to eat right and run on that treadmill with that broken hand) we wouldn't be having this discussion. I REALIZE BBD is an overall better player than Shelden. I realize he has more upside. He may however not be a better fit for that second unit. Maybe he would be best server being a starter on a mediocre team. What I don't understand though is the mentality that a guy should be allowed to not give the effort in the offseason and put himself in a position where he can't do the things that allowed him to play to his potential. Hustle on the floor doesn't make up completely for laziness off it. Shelden filled his role VERY nicely while he was out and IMO is a better fit for that second unit. Even if it proves not to be true, it should at least light a fire under BBD to get him to focus on what it takes to be successful.