Summer MLE targets

[snively]

Thing is, if we get a big time wing for the MLE like Miller or outlaw and keep TA, Ray, and Nate, how much do we need Marquis Daniels?

That's not to say I want him to go: I like him a lot.  However, even at a year older, Paul and Ray are still going to play at least 32 mpg.  That only leaves 32 mpg of backup minutes at the 2 and 3 spots.  Even if Miller/Outlaw only played 25 mpg, that only leaves 7 mpg for a 4th wing.  I think a combination of TA or Nate playing with Rondo could handle that. 

Again, that's not to say I don't want Daniels.  However, if we get a big name wing at the MLE and we retain everyone else, the need for him is far less. 

Miller especially would make Daniels a luxury as he brings ball-handling and playmaking at the wing spot (although not last night vs the Raptors: 8 turnovers!).

The key though is Nate.  If he leaves we're faced with spending the MLE on a PG, splitting it to sign a PG and another position of need, or signing a pg for the vet min.    

[PLamb]

If the Celtics have only 4-5 players under contract for $20 million or so entering the summer of 2012 off season they could conceivably add two max level free agents to a core of Perk, Rondo and a couple draft picks

Chasing after top level FAs is a risky business for a team like the Celtics located in (a) a state that taxes income and (b) a cold weather place.

A less risky option would be to trade for a top level player (the way DA did for KG and to a slightly lesser extend RA).

We traded a half decade of first round draft picks away as assets to get Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett

Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Gerald Green
2 First rounders to Minnesota
1 First rounder to Seattle

Exactly what assets are the Celtics going to have that will allow them to trade away to get players the caliber of players they could sign that summer while giving up nothing

[Fan from VT]

If the team is kinda "meh" in the playoffs, I wouldn't expect that we'll be able to pick up any impact players with the MLE.  Thinking the most they'll offer anyone is two years, so that they can get some cap space in 2012 if a total rebuild is called for.  Now, if we win a title or just barely miss out, I could see them definantely going for someone like Mike Miller.

I'd love Camby, but he's only here if they decide they won't be able to sign Perk to an extension.  Perk doesn't seem inclined to walk, but if they think someone's going to massively overpay him in twelve months, they might trade him for value and have someone like Camby in his place.

The franchise has a new "anchor" contract ... it used to be KG in 2012 ... the year all non-essential contracts had to expire by for the Celtics to be able to clear the deck and truly rebuild.  Now it it Rondo's.  So if Perk wanted to agree to 7-8 million a year (assuming current CBA conditions - that is not at all an unreasonable salary for what Perk brings) that lines up with Rondo's contract years wise ... it makes sense.  Anything worse and you have to look at it hard. 

I have to disagree with this

The benchmark, all-important contract that the Celtics have that financially the rest of the future of this club will be predicated upon building around is still KG's

During the 2012-13 season Rondo's contract is the only contract on the books and the only other contract I would expect to be on the books thereafter is a starter for that season and the only one I see currently with the club is Perkins

If he is extended they(Rondo and Perk) and first round draft picks will be the only players on the payroll for that season and every other contract the C's give out from this point will only last as long as KG's, I am positive of that

Nothing else makes any sense financiallyfor a team that would be rebuilding

The only other chance the C's had of having someone on the payroll other than those two players and draft picks was if the Celtics had traded Ray Allen for a young impact player and that didn't happen

For these reasons I say the Celtics will try to sign Ray, Tony and Nate to 2 year contracts and then use the MLE to split and add players at bargain type levels on two year contracts

If the Celtics have only 4-5 players under contract for $20 million or so entering the summer of 2012 off season they could conceivably add two max level free agents to a core of Perk, Rondo and a couple draft picks

Possible free agents that year could include:

Carmelo Anthony
Ersan Ilaysova
Goran Dragic
Al Horford
Joakim Noah
Aaron Afflalo
Aaron Brooks
Marc Gasol
Wilson Chandler
Yi Jianlian
Kevin Durant
Jeff Green
Thadeus Young
Jared Dudley
Greg Oden
Corey Brewer
Derrick Rose
JJ Hickson
Nene Hilario
Anthony Randolph
Roy Hibbert
Eric Gordon
OJ Mayo
Michael Beasley
Carlos Delfino
Kevin Love
Brook Lopez
Danilo Gallinari
Russell Westbrook

And more.....

depending upon who doesn't sign extensions on their rookie deals in 2011 and whether teams will be willing to match large offers for restricted free agents in 2012, the Celtics could be in a great position in the summer of 2012 if they pattern all their near future decisions around the length of KG's contract

We had a nice thread about this going here:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=33584.0

[PLamb]

If the team is kinda "meh" in the playoffs, I wouldn't expect that we'll be able to pick up any impact players with the MLE.  Thinking the most they'll offer anyone is two years, so that they can get some cap space in 2012 if a total rebuild is called for.  Now, if we win a title or just barely miss out, I could see them definantely going for someone like Mike Miller.

I'd love Camby, but he's only here if they decide they won't be able to sign Perk to an extension.  Perk doesn't seem inclined to walk, but if they think someone's going to massively overpay him in twelve months, they might trade him for value and have someone like Camby in his place.

The franchise has a new "anchor" contract ... it used to be KG in 2012 ... the year all non-essential contracts had to expire by for the Celtics to be able to clear the deck and truly rebuild.  Now it it Rondo's.  So if Perk wanted to agree to 7-8 million a year (assuming current CBA conditions - that is not at all an unreasonable salary for what Perk brings) that lines up with Rondo's contract years wise ... it makes sense.  Anything worse and you have to look at it hard. 

I have to disagree with this

The benchmark, all-important contract that the Celtics have that financially the rest of the future of this club will be predicated upon building around is still KG's

During the 2012-13 season Rondo's contract is the only contract on the books and the only other contract I would expect to be on the books thereafter is a starter for that season and the only one I see currently with the club is Perkins

If he is extended they(Rondo and Perk) and first round draft picks will be the only players on the payroll for that season and every other contract the C's give out from this point will only last as long as KG's, I am positive of that

Nothing else makes any sense financiallyfor a team that would be rebuilding

The only other chance the C's had of having someone on the payroll other than those two players and draft picks was if the Celtics had traded Ray Allen for a young impact player and that didn't happen

For these reasons I say the Celtics will try to sign Ray, Tony and Nate to 2 year contracts and then use the MLE to split and add players at bargain type levels on two year contracts

If the Celtics have only 4-5 players under contract for $20 million or so entering the summer of 2012 off season they could conceivably add two max level free agents to a core of Perk, Rondo and a couple draft picks

Possible free agents that year could include:

Carmelo Anthony
Ersan Ilaysova
Goran Dragic
Al Horford
Joakim Noah
Aaron Afflalo
Aaron Brooks
Marc Gasol
Wilson Chandler
Yi Jianlian
Kevin Durant
Jeff Green
Thadeus Young
Jared Dudley
Greg Oden
Corey Brewer
Derrick Rose
JJ Hickson
Nene Hilario
Anthony Randolph
Roy Hibbert
Eric Gordon
OJ Mayo
Michael Beasley
Carlos Delfino
Kevin Love
Brook Lopez
Danilo Gallinari
Russell Westbrook

And more.....

depending upon who doesn't sign extensions on their rookie deals in 2011 and whether teams will be willing to match large offers for restricted free agents in 2012, the Celtics could be in a great position in the summer of 2012 if they pattern all their near future decisions around the length of KG's contract

We had a nice thread about this going here:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=33584.0

And......

It's also pertinent to this discussion

[Fan from VT]

If the team is kinda "meh" in the playoffs, I wouldn't expect that we'll be able to pick up any impact players with the MLE.  Thinking the most they'll offer anyone is two years, so that they can get some cap space in 2012 if a total rebuild is called for.  Now, if we win a title or just barely miss out, I could see them definantely going for someone like Mike Miller.

I'd love Camby, but he's only here if they decide they won't be able to sign Perk to an extension.  Perk doesn't seem inclined to walk, but if they think someone's going to massively overpay him in twelve months, they might trade him for value and have someone like Camby in his place.

The franchise has a new "anchor" contract ... it used to be KG in 2012 ... the year all non-essential contracts had to expire by for the Celtics to be able to clear the deck and truly rebuild.  Now it it Rondo's.  So if Perk wanted to agree to 7-8 million a year (assuming current CBA conditions - that is not at all an unreasonable salary for what Perk brings) that lines up with Rondo's contract years wise ... it makes sense.  Anything worse and you have to look at it hard. 

I have to disagree with this

The benchmark, all-important contract that the Celtics have that financially the rest of the future of this club will be predicated upon building around is still KG's

During the 2012-13 season Rondo's contract is the only contract on the books and the only other contract I would expect to be on the books thereafter is a starter for that season and the only one I see currently with the club is Perkins

If he is extended they(Rondo and Perk) and first round draft picks will be the only players on the payroll for that season and every other contract the C's give out from this point will only last as long as KG's, I am positive of that

Nothing else makes any sense financiallyfor a team that would be rebuilding

The only other chance the C's had of having someone on the payroll other than those two players and draft picks was if the Celtics had traded Ray Allen for a young impact player and that didn't happen

For these reasons I say the Celtics will try to sign Ray, Tony and Nate to 2 year contracts and then use the MLE to split and add players at bargain type levels on two year contracts

If the Celtics have only 4-5 players under contract for $20 million or so entering the summer of 2012 off season they could conceivably add two max level free agents to a core of Perk, Rondo and a couple draft picks

Possible free agents that year could include:

Carmelo Anthony
Ersan Ilaysova
Goran Dragic
Al Horford
Joakim Noah
Aaron Afflalo
Aaron Brooks
Marc Gasol
Wilson Chandler
Yi Jianlian
Kevin Durant
Jeff Green
Thadeus Young
Jared Dudley
Greg Oden
Corey Brewer
Derrick Rose
JJ Hickson
Nene Hilario
Anthony Randolph
Roy Hibbert
Eric Gordon
OJ Mayo
Michael Beasley
Carlos Delfino
Kevin Love
Brook Lopez
Danilo Gallinari
Russell Westbrook

And more.....

depending upon who doesn't sign extensions on their rookie deals in 2011 and whether teams will be willing to match large offers for restricted free agents in 2012, the Celtics could be in a great position in the summer of 2012 if they pattern all their near future decisions around the length of KG's contract

We had a nice thread about this going here:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=33584.0

And......

It's also pertinent to this discussion

I wasn't saying don't discuss it here, i was pointing people in the direction of a more detailed list of what the FA status of those potential FA's is.

[PLamb]

Ahhhh

Sorry about that Fan from VT

I was getting your intent

[Fan from VT]

Ahhhh

Sorry about that Fan from VT

I was getting your intent

No prob, i often have difficulty with the whole "no intonation" things on blogs. I meant to convey a "Helpful and cheery" tone, not a "condescending" tone, but upon re-reading, i can see how it could have been read that way.

[More Banners]

If the Celtics have only 4-5 players under contract for $20 million or so entering the summer of 2012 off season they could conceivably add two max level free agents to a core of Perk, Rondo and a couple draft picks

Chasing after top level FAs is a risky business for a team like the Celtics located in (a) a state that taxes income and (b) a cold weather place.

A less risky option would be to trade for a top level player (the way DA did for KG and to a slightly lesser extend RA).

We traded a half decade of first round draft picks away as assets to get Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett

Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Gerald Green
2 First rounders to Minnesota
1 First rounder to Seattle

Exactly what assets are the Celtics going to have that will allow them to trade away to get players the caliber of players they could sign that summer while giving up nothing

Don't forget the #7 that became Brandon Roy, who was traded to clear out bad contracts for shorter bad contracts, which eventually became KG (though who could've known).

We'd have to hope someone drafted this year shows some promise (no pressure, Danny).

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I think we need to dream big with the MLE:  Hope to have at least a deep playoff run this year to make the team attractive, and blow the full MLE on one impact player.  We'll have PG and the big spots locked up already, so we can blow it on one solid wing.  Unfortunately, that type of player will want a contract that goes past 2012/KG era.

Mike Miller is 29, and looking at his last chance at good money.  He'll want 5 years.

I have fantasies about T-Mac taking the MLE.  Dream big, right?  If he took it, it might require 5 years guaranteed, with a player opt-out.  He'll probably get better offers, but his clock is ticking and I don't think he'll do all that much better.  He might want to win for a change.

Outlaw, I think, will be restricted this summer.  Clips will match an MLE offer for him.

Not that many options for this summer...but using the MLE to keep Quisy shouldn't be Plan A, though I like him very much.

[sk7326]

TMac is an interesting option ... i think he'd take 2 years ... Miller might take 2 years, but with the pending CBA, years is helpful ...

I do think looking for a more athletic, but older guy who would sign for 2 years makes sense ... maybe 3 years depending on the player

[PLamb]

Travis Outlaw is unrestricted this year

[housecall]

I wouldn't be surprise if the Lakers show a big interest in T-Mac this offseason.