Don't blame Danny: Blame Wyc &Co.

[csfansince60s]

Blame the owners for what?

Not wanting to take an annual $30-40m lux tax hit on a team with no chance to win a championship?

Please.

So if all agree this team is done for the rest of the KG window, why didn't we blow it up?

[dlpin]

So if all agree this team is done for the rest of the KG window, why didn't we blow it up?

If this team is done (which is not a given), you don't just blow it up on the fly. You plan for it.

Right now, the 2012 free agent class has a potential to be deeper than the current one. We are talking Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant and more.  If this team is done, the best thing to do is to plan around rebuilding then, and right now we have that possibility.

[BballTim]

Blame the owners for what?

Not wanting to take an annual $30-40m lux tax hit on a team with no chance to win a championship?

Please.

So if all agree this team is done for the rest of the KG window, why didn't we blow it up?

  When did everyone agree that this team is done for the rest of the KG window?

[csfansince60s]

They are not only not taking on more $$$ for next year, they are cutting substantially. There's a difference. I think that they are looking at this group age before their eyes and are unwilling to spend in what they perceive to be a hopeless situation, which they obviously can't say publicly, because then how do they fill the seats if they say they don't have a chance. Hence the party line of (Doc, Danny, Wyc etc): "I like our team." They're saying one thing and acting likethey believe another.Very disingenuous at best and deceptive at worst. Too bad the Cs product they are rolling with and the way they are rolling with it doesn't come under 93A: our staute for unfair and deceptive trade practices. 

Where, exactly, are they "cutting substantially?"

For next season payroll is already at 65 million. Add the resigning of Allen (even if at a discount), Tony Allen, possibly Nate and you are right back at our current year's payroll level. And if the luxury tax is lower they will actually spend more next year.


What they did was maintain cap flexibility for the 2011 and 2012 seasons, which is actually a good thing.

If Ray was traded for a serviceable replacement. we likely wouldn't have signed him or signed him at a substantial discount. Nate may come back, but that's debatable. I would have been happy if we spent the same amount of $$ as this year or slightly above, but if ownership thinks we have no shot, or not enough of a shot to invest more money in, I understand it, but I don't like it.

[buzz]

So if all agree this team is done for the rest of the KG window, why didn't we blow it up?

Personally, I would have traded Ray the day after the Championship parade. And definitely by this last summer.

But whatever. KG is done and so are we. But blow it up? You think anyone was touching KG's contract at this deadline?

The problem there is making a panic move that only serves to exacerbate the problem. Butler would have been nice, but locking into Jamison for two more years wasn't gonna get it done.

I'd rather retain the financial flexibility for a future date. And if Wyc and dem can save a few bucks in the meantime, cool... maybe they will reinvest it down the line.

[csfansince60s]

Blame the owners for what?

Not wanting to take an annual $30-40m lux tax hit on a team with no chance to win a championship?

Please.

So if all agree this team is done for the rest of the KG window, why didn't we blow it up?

  When did everyone agree that this team is done for the rest of the KG window?

I don't believe it, so that's why I think they should have spent the cash. The poster quoted and others seem to or at least feel mgmt does.

[dlpin]

If Ray was traded for a serviceable replacement. we likely wouldn't have signed him or signed him at a substantial discount. Nate may come back, but that's debatable. I would have been happy if we spent the same amount of $$ as this year or slightly above, but if ownership thinks we have no shot, or not enough of a shot to invest more money in, I understand it, but I don't like it.

None of this changes the fact that they are NOT cutting payroll substantially like you said.

[Birdbrain]

Mark Cuban is a horrible owner and every time I hear him talk he sounds like a dolt. I'm quite happy with passing on overrated overpaid garbage if DA thought they wouldn't help.

Wyc 1 NBA Championship

Marc Cuban

[buzz]

None of this changes the fact that they are NOT cutting payroll substantially like you said.

We really don't know yet. As stated, we are at the lux tax already even if we just fill out next year's roster with scrubbage.

I have no problem with retaining Ray for MLE money, and we may use the MLE as well.

Very possible that we end up close to right where we are right now, even with modest moves.

And to be fair, the league's entire revenue/salary structure is in the midst of a massive recalibration as we speak. At least we didn't spend the deadline dumping salary like many have done this year.

[crownsy]

Yeah, [dang] you Wyc for not being Richer!

Butler expires after next year and Haywood this year. You don't need to be richer to make this deal necessarily. Just willing to keep payroll about the same for one more year for a better Ray this year and next. Haywood was a bonus....and he expires.

We didn't get those two because we didn't have the pieces.

Why on earth would the wizards trade us those two for a ray rental + scal/eddie/TA when they got actual players they wanted by splitting them up, as well as the same amount of payroll relief.

Sometimes i wish people would at least attempt to work things  out objectively in their heads about the trade process before posting.

[ManUp]

Mark Cuban is a horrible owner and every time I hear him talk he sounds like a dolt. I'm quite happy with passing on overrated overpaid garbage if DA thought they wouldn't help.

Wyc 1 NBA Championship

Marc Cuban

IMO, Marc Cuban is the equivalent of one our trade happy bloggers owning an NBA franchise.

[celticinorlando]

looks like danny did his best to move ray

from herald:

This trade also means that Ray Allen gets to remain a Celtic, though the team looked into a wide array of potentially big deals using the veteran guard’s expiring max contract as bait.

A team source said that the Cs looked into acquiring Phoenix forward Amar’e Stoudemire, for instance. Management also looked into possible trades for Utah’s Carlos Boozer, Miami’s Michael Beasley, Philadelphia’s Andre Iguodala and Golden State’s Monta Ellis.

[csfansince60s]

If Ray was traded for a serviceable replacement. we likely wouldn't have signed him or signed him at a substantial discount. Nate may come back, but that's debatable. I would have been happy if we spent the same amount of $$ as this year or slightly above, but if ownership thinks we have no shot, or not enough of a shot to invest more money in, I understand it, but I don't like it.

None of this changes the fact that they are NOT cutting payroll substantially like you said.

With RA, Nate, TA, BS, MD, SW (did I miss anybody?) all coming off the books and only RRs contract differential and the incremental raises (if any) for KG and PP and Perk and assuming Nate and MD are given the whole MLE and paying the minimum for the rest still saves $$$, although your point of a lower cap>>higher lux tax that may offset some of it is well taken. Still gotta think they're saving $$$$, though.

[crownsy]

If Ray was traded for a serviceable replacement. we likely wouldn't have signed him or signed him at a substantial discount. Nate may come back, but that's debatable. I would have been happy if we spent the same amount of $$ as this year or slightly above, but if ownership thinks we have no shot, or not enough of a shot to invest more money in, I understand it, but I don't like it.

None of this changes the fact that they are NOT cutting payroll substantially like you said.

With RA, Nate, TA, BS, MD, SW (did I miss anybody?) all coming off the books and only RRs contract differential and the incremental raises (if any) for KG and PP and Perk and assuming Nate and MD are given the whole MLE and paying the minimum for the rest still saves $$$, although your point of a lower cap>>higher lux tax that may offset some of it is well taken. Still gotta think they're saving $$$$, though.

You don't suppose they will resign any of those players do you?

By this logic the red sox selfishly cut payroll every october, since there is a 2 month period where everyone is not under contract.

[guava_wrench]

Blame the owners for what?

Not wanting to take an annual $30-40m lux tax hit on a team with no chance to win a championship?

Please.

So if all agree this team is done for the rest of the KG window, why didn't we blow it up?

Just because they need to be financially responsible doesn't mean they feel we have no chance. Spending the extra money is unrelated to whether we actually have a chance. You can't run a team like playing a very expensive lottery.

There is no one to blame, unless we are spoiled fans who feel entitled. There was risk in trading for KG. We got reward already. Now we might be feeling the risk, but were there other options better than staying pat?