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Don't blame Danny: Blame Wyc &Co.
« on: February 18, 2010, 04:14:37 PM »

Offline csfansince60s

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A while ago, Danny told the world that Ray would only be traded for a young player and expirings. We all thought that it was GM speak (stretching the truth)and they might move on that position if the proverbial Godfather deal came along. Well, ironically, he wasn't lying, so it wasn't GM-speak in that respect. It was GM-speak in that it masked the real agenda of ownership: "we have no intention of dealing RA or ANY of the expirings because we want to save $$$$$$$." Of course he/they couldn't tell us this then. How would they (management)all look if they took the absurd, self-serving position that they won't trade RA or the expirings for anything but expirings and that mythical young borderline star, and specifically a 2 to replace RA because all they wanted to do was save $$$. Talk about the impossible quest so you never have to deliver.

They never had any intention of trading RA or any of the expirings unless a Gasol-like deal fell in their lap, and they knew that would never happen. They put it out there so they wouldn't look selfish or stupid. Think about this: Next year, RA, BS, TA, SW, MD (am I missing anybody?) all come off the books. They will be on the hook for RRs new contract differential and any raises the signed players' contracts may require. They'll (I hope) make a big deal of spending the whole MLE (BFD!!!)just to keep up appearances that they are still trying to win. Talk about disingenuous!

They will be saving a whole lot of $$ next year at the expense of keeping our chances open for the rest of the KG era.

Look at all the deals that have gone down in the past week. You can't tell me we couldn't be in on some of them to get more athletic and younger. Butler and Haywood would have looked great in Green as would've Butler/Jamison, MikeMiller/any of the above, Tyrus Thomas, John Salmons, Marcus Camby, Al Thornton, JRich (never mind Amare, Wow), Hinrich, Hakkim Warrick, etc, etc, etc. You can't tell me we couldn't have gotten some of these players with our lesser expirings. WTH, wyc and co. (lower case on purpose). You thought you had us fooled, but we see right through you....right to your bottom line. No wonder the players are making a half-assed effort on the court when the FO and ownership aren't even doing that.

To me Danny's off the hook. He only did what his bosses allowed/told him to do. I REALLY like the Nate deal and think he will be a much larger impact player than most imagine.

wyc and co., that's another story. I wish we could hold them accountable, somehow. Why don't you guys sell the team to Mark Cuban. Oh yeah, he's the guy that got Caron.

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 04:16:39 PM »

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Wyc is on the record about lower ticket sales next year.

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 04:21:00 PM »

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wyc and co., that's another story. I wish we could hold them accountable, somehow.

I disagree.  I think the owners have always said they will spend if they see a good reason to spend.  I doubted in the past and thought it highly unlikely they would use the MLE this past summer, since they were already paying luxury tax. But they went ahead and ponied up big money for Sheed. 

I can't blame them for not wanting to take on more money for next year. 
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 04:23:00 PM »

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wyc got us a title. forever thankful. i can see the why they did want to add a bunch of money to this team

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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 04:24:22 PM »

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Paying more for the sake of paying more is what made the knicks what the knicks are.

What deal was out there that would make this team the heavy favorites to win the title?

There were none. So the celtics are much better off preserving the cap space they should have in 11 and 12 than doing anything for the sake of doing anything.

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 04:25:42 PM »

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Yeah, [dang] you Wyc for not being Richer!

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 04:26:06 PM »

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I have been saying this all along.  No way DA was EVER going to trade Ray for nothing but long term contracts.  This much was obvious to me; and it makes sense.  So we were going to have a tought time trading Ray for something of real value if we were expecting to receive an expiring contract.

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 04:31:14 PM »

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wyc and co., that's another story. I wish we could hold them accountable, somehow.

I disagree.  I think the owners have always said they will spend if they see a good reason to spend.  I doubted in the past and thought it highly unlikely they would use the MLE this past summer, since they were already paying luxury tax. But they went ahead and ponied up big money for Sheed.


I can't blame them for not wanting to take on more money for next year. 



They are not only not taking on more $$$ for next year, they are cutting substantially. There's a difference. I think that they are looking at this group age before their eyes and are unwilling to spend in what they perceive to be a hopeless situation, which they obviously can't say publicly, because then how do they fill the seats if they say they don't have a chance. Hence the party line of (Doc, Danny, Wyc etc): "I like our team." They're saying one thing and acting likethey believe another.Very disingenuous at best and deceptive at worst. Too bad the Cs product they are rolling with and the way they are rolling with it doesn't come under 93A: our staute for unfair and deceptive trade practices. 

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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 04:37:34 PM »

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 ::) You guys are getting out of hand

"we need a backup PG, we need a backup PG"

we trade for one...

"this deal is stupid, i hate Danny, he's a coward"

this team isn't playing well and it's not because of the players... Sacramento wanted a young player for the future and we didn't have one. WHAT ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO!?!?!?

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 04:40:24 PM »

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Yeah, [dang] you Wyc for not being Richer!


Butler expires after next year and Haywood this year. You don't need to be richer to make this deal necessarily. Just willing to keep payroll about the same for one more year for a better Ray this year and next. Haywood was a bonus....and he expires.

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 04:41:27 PM »

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They are not only not taking on more $$$ for next year, they are cutting substantially. There's a difference. I think that they are looking at this group age before their eyes and are unwilling to spend in what they perceive to be a hopeless situation, which they obviously can't say publicly, because then how do they fill the seats if they say they don't have a chance. Hence the party line of (Doc, Danny, Wyc etc): "I like our team." They're saying one thing and acting likethey believe another.Very disingenuous at best and deceptive at worst. Too bad the Cs product they are rolling with and the way they are rolling with it doesn't come under 93A: our staute for unfair and deceptive trade practices. 


Where, exactly, are they "cutting substantially?"

For next season payroll is already at 65 million. Add the resigning of Allen (even if at a discount), Tony Allen, possibly Nate and you are right back at our current year's payroll level. And if the luxury tax is lower they will actually spend more next year.


What they did was maintain cap flexibility for the 2011 and 2012 seasons, which is actually a good thing.

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 04:42:33 PM »

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Butler expires after next year and Haywood this year. You don't need to be richer to make this deal necessarily. Just willing to keep payroll about the same for one more year for a better Ray this year and next. Haywood was a bonus.

You have absolutely no idea if the reason the Butler and Jamison deal didnt go through was because of ownership.

And the Jamison deal would significantly reduce our flexibility at the 2011 offseason.

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2010, 04:44:03 PM »

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Blame the owners for what?

Not wanting to take an annual $30-40m lux tax hit on a team with no chance to win a championship?

Please.

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2010, 04:44:37 PM »

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Butler expires after next year and Haywood this year. You don't need to be richer to make this deal necessarily. Just willing to keep payroll about the same for one more year for a better Ray this year and next. Haywood was a bonus.

You have absolutely no idea if the reason the Butler and Jamison deal didnt go through was because of ownership.

And the Jamison deal would significantly reduce our flexibility at the 2011 offseason.


Agree on Jamison. That would have cuffed us.

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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2010, 04:45:03 PM »

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Blame the owners for what?

Not wanting to take an annual $30-40m lux tax hit on a team with no chance to win a championship?

Please.

wow...that cuts like a knife...but it is pretty true