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Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2010, 12:58:48 PM »

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Because he's really short and has a real bad attitude problem. He can also dunk the ball well when no ones covering him.
Oh, wait. This was supposed to be about why we got him.

What bad attitude problem, other than he hates that mike dantoni is a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and deson't want to play for him anymore?

Also, i'd love to hear why he's not an upgrade over eddie house, doubly so when eddie is not preforming the one skill he has to his normal high levels.

If you have one marketable NBA skill, 38% shooting from deep over the last year and a half is unacceptable. Thats a fine number for someone who can do something other than shoot spot up three's, but not for a sniper with no other NBA level skills.

Eddie is not as good as nate. IT's that simple.

You may not like Nate, and that's fine, I don't like a couple players on this team. But to say he's not an upgrade over eddie house is not reasonable.

That doesn't mean it's some earth shattering move, it isn't, nate's a role player.

But the fact remains, he's a better role player in almost every respect than eddie house.

and as someone (i apologize, i forget the Screenname as i'm typing) already researched, over the course of this year, the difference between their 3Pt% percentage is 1%.

Eddie house has one marketable skill in the NBA, shooting the three ball. He has not done that better than most other shooters for the second half of last year, and all of this year.

Nate can do multiple things offensively for you off the bench, defends no worse than eddie does, and is always in attack mode.

He is a much better role player. It isn't an earth shattering move, but it's clearly an upgrade at that bench spot.


Everything here is absolutely correct

Danny Ainge upgraded the ninth player in our rotation

   Do you think 8 players will get more minutes than Nate? I'm not so sure...

Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2010, 01:03:35 PM »

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Because he's really short and has a real bad attitude problem. He can also dunk the ball well when no ones covering him.
Oh, wait. This was supposed to be about why we got him.

What bad attitude problem, other than he hates that mike dantoni is a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and deson't want to play for him anymore?

Also, i'd love to hear why he's not an upgrade over eddie house, doubly so when eddie is not preforming the one skill he has to his normal high levels.

If you have one marketable NBA skill, 38% shooting from deep over the last year and a half is unacceptable. Thats a fine number for someone who can do something other than shoot spot up three's, but not for a sniper with no other NBA level skills.

Eddie is not as good as nate. IT's that simple.

You may not like Nate, and that's fine, I don't like a couple players on this team. But to say he's not an upgrade over eddie house is not reasonable.

That doesn't mean it's some earth shattering move, it isn't, nate's a role player.

But the fact remains, he's a better role player in almost every respect than eddie house.

and as someone (i apologize, i forget the Screenname as i'm typing) already researched, over the course of this year, the difference between their 3Pt% percentage is 1%.

Eddie house has one marketable skill in the NBA, shooting the three ball. He has not done that better than most other shooters for the second half of last year, and all of this year.

Nate can do multiple things offensively for you off the bench, defends no worse than eddie does, and is always in attack mode.

He is a much better role player. It isn't an earth shattering move, but it's clearly an upgrade at that bench spot.


Everything here is absolutely correct

Danny Ainge upgraded the ninth player in our rotation

   Do you think 8 players will get more minutes than Nate? I'm not so sure...
Who cares

Eddie was ninth on the team in MPG and currently is ninth on the depth chart behind Sheed, Daniels, and Davis

He IS the ninth player and that is the position we upgraded

Big whoop

It's not a difference making trade or one that will have a major impact or really any impact on this team's chances this year or in the future

So if that's the case, why make it

So that you can offer Robinson a 20% raise at the end of the year and have him be Ray's replacement next year

That's all I can figure
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Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2010, 01:04:36 PM »

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Because he's really short and has a real bad attitude problem. He can also dunk the ball well when no ones covering him.
Oh, wait. This was supposed to be about why we got him.

What bad attitude problem, other than he hates that mike dantoni is a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and deson't want to play for him anymore?

Also, i'd love to hear why he's not an upgrade over eddie house, doubly so when eddie is not preforming the one skill he has to his normal high levels.

If you have one marketable NBA skill, 38% shooting from deep over the last year and a half is unacceptable. Thats a fine number for someone who can do something other than shoot spot up three's, but not for a sniper with no other NBA level skills.

Eddie is not as good as nate. IT's that simple.

You may not like Nate, and that's fine, I don't like a couple players on this team. But to say he's not an upgrade over eddie house is not reasonable.

That doesn't mean it's some earth shattering move, it isn't, nate's a role player.

But the fact remains, he's a better role player in almost every respect than eddie house.

and as someone (i apologize, i forget the Screenname as i'm typing) already researched, over the course of this year, the difference between their 3Pt% percentage is 1%.

Eddie house has one marketable skill in the NBA, shooting the three ball. He has not done that better than most other shooters for the second half of last year, and all of this year.

Nate can do multiple things offensively for you off the bench, defends no worse than eddie does, and is always in attack mode.

He is a much better role player. It isn't an earth shattering move, but it's clearly an upgrade at that bench spot.


Everything here is absolutely correct

Danny Ainge upgraded the ninth player in our rotation

   Do you think 8 players will get more minutes than Nate? I'm not so sure...

Im not sure yet, but i like what it does to our rotation. I think our rotation will be something like:

Sheed (back up big)
Daniels ( defender that can play anywhere)
Nate
TA
Baby

And i'm pretty ok with that rotation. Move clearly upgrades our bench, and provides a true back up PG if rondo get's in early foul trouble and Daniels is spelling a wing.

I like the move, it seems like It's a one for one where we got the better player. No brainier to me.
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Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2010, 01:08:16 PM »

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Because he's really short and has a real bad attitude problem. He can also dunk the ball well when no ones covering him.
Oh, wait. This was supposed to be about why we got him.

What bad attitude problem, other than he hates that mike dantoni is a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and deson't want to play for him anymore?

Also, i'd love to hear why he's not an upgrade over eddie house, doubly so when eddie is not preforming the one skill he has to his normal high levels.

If you have one marketable NBA skill, 38% shooting from deep over the last year and a half is unacceptable. Thats a fine number for someone who can do something other than shoot spot up three's, but not for a sniper with no other NBA level skills.

Eddie is not as good as nate. IT's that simple.

You may not like Nate, and that's fine, I don't like a couple players on this team. But to say he's not an upgrade over eddie house is not reasonable.

That doesn't mean it's some earth shattering move, it isn't, nate's a role player.

But the fact remains, he's a better role player in almost every respect than eddie house.

and as someone (i apologize, i forget the Screenname as i'm typing) already researched, over the course of this year, the difference between their 3Pt% percentage is 1%.

Eddie house has one marketable skill in the NBA, shooting the three ball. He has not done that better than most other shooters for the second half of last year, and all of this year.

Nate can do multiple things offensively for you off the bench, defends no worse than eddie does, and is always in attack mode.

He is a much better role player. It isn't an earth shattering move, but it's clearly an upgrade at that bench spot.


Everything here is absolutely correct

Danny Ainge upgraded the ninth player in our rotation

   Do you think 8 players will get more minutes than Nate? I'm not so sure...
Who cares

Eddie was ninth on the team in MPG and currently is ninth on the depth chart behind Sheed, Daniels, and Davis

He IS the ninth player and that is the position we upgraded

Big whoop

It's not a difference making trade or one that will have a major impact or really any impact on this team's chances this year or in the future

So if that's the case, why make it

So that you can offer Robinson a 20% raise at the end of the year and have him be Ray's replacement next year

That's all I can figure

Plamb, im struggling to understand your logic.

You say it's a clear upgrade, but since you think it's the 9th spot, why make it?

I would say you always make moves that are clear upgrades, regardless of hypothetical playing time. the better player is the better player, and (as of the rumors right now) we give up nothing but the inferior player to get the better one...what's the logic to not doing the deal.

If i have an item i don't use as much as other's, but someone comes along and offers to trade me something better for that item....why on earth wouldn't I, regardless of use?

The better player is still the better player, even if i accept (which i don't) that nate won't play anything more than eddie's 4-8 MPG.
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Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2010, 01:08:40 PM »

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Because he's really short and has a real bad attitude problem. He can also dunk the ball well when no ones covering him.
Oh, wait. This was supposed to be about why we got him.

What bad attitude problem, other than he hates that mike dantoni is a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and deson't want to play for him anymore?

Also, i'd love to hear why he's not an upgrade over eddie house, doubly so when eddie is not preforming the one skill he has to his normal high levels.

If you have one marketable NBA skill, 38% shooting from deep over the last year and a half is unacceptable. Thats a fine number for someone who can do something other than shoot spot up three's, but not for a sniper with no other NBA level skills.

Eddie is not as good as nate. IT's that simple.

You may not like Nate, and that's fine, I don't like a couple players on this team. But to say he's not an upgrade over eddie house is not reasonable.

That doesn't mean it's some earth shattering move, it isn't, nate's a role player.

But the fact remains, he's a better role player in almost every respect than eddie house.

and as someone (i apologize, i forget the Screenname as i'm typing) already researched, over the course of this year, the difference between their 3Pt% percentage is 1%.

Eddie house has one marketable skill in the NBA, shooting the three ball. He has not done that better than most other shooters for the second half of last year, and all of this year.

Nate can do multiple things offensively for you off the bench, defends no worse than eddie does, and is always in attack mode.

He is a much better role player. It isn't an earth shattering move, but it's clearly an upgrade at that bench spot.


Everything here is absolutely correct

Danny Ainge upgraded the ninth player in our rotation

   Do you think 8 players will get more minutes than Nate? I'm not so sure...
Who cares

Eddie was ninth on the team in MPG and currently is ninth on the depth chart behind Sheed, Daniels, and Davis

He IS the ninth player and that is the position we upgraded

Big whoop

It's not a difference making trade or one that will have a major impact or really any impact on this team's chances this year or in the future

So if that's the case, why make it

So that you can offer Robinson a 20% raise at the end of the year and have him be Ray's replacement next year

That's all I can figure

  You seem to be taking this pretty hard. I'm not a Nate fan but maybe he can get us out of the doldrums when we start going into one of our funks when we get outscored 30-10 or whatever. A little spark here or there could make a difference, even if he's replacing the 9th man in the rotation. And if we're not trading Ray odds are he'll be back next year.

Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2010, 01:08:54 PM »

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I keep seeing posts about how Nate isn't a jerk, about how his problems are only with D'Antoni, etc.  Not true.  Here's some reading for you:

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Nate Robinson is, in his humble opinion, "Nate the Great."

And then there was the embarrassing moment three weeks ago when he tried to bounce the ball off the floor and dunk it against the Cleveland Cavaliers, a play that was ruled a travel and made the Knicks look like an undisciplined group of street-ballers.

Robinson's explanation was as peculiar as his decision to attempt the dunk in the first place.

"That's why they call me Spontaneous Nate," he said.

Spontaneous, yes. Great? Not quite. And now Robinson has a new nickname: Instigator. His role in Saturday's Knicks-Nuggets fight cannot be underestimated. Instead of pulling Mardy Collins away from J.R. Smith and allowing the referees to intervene, Robinson went after Smith and ended up fighting with the Denver guard and spilling into the front row.

Robinson and Carmelo Anthony figure to receive lengthy suspensions because both were responsible for escalating the situation.

After the game, Robinson said he did not regret his actions and made the stunning revelation that Collins' flagrant takedown was not only "a good, clean hard foul" but that it was premeditated.

"For what they did as in keeping guys in, I knew a foul was going to come," Robinson said Saturday. "A hard one because we're not going to let guys keep dunking when they're up 20 and they have their starters in. It was a good clean hard foul. After that, it went downhill from there."

Robinson later added: "They wanted to embarrass us. It was a slap in the face to us as a team and a franchise and we weren't going to let that happen."

Clearly, Robinson forgot what he did against Cleveland or what he said after the game upon hearing that Isiah Thomas told the media that Robinson would not try that dunk again. Robinson agreed but quickly added he would try it only if the Knicks are "ahead by 20."

Since Robinson joined the Knicks last season as a throw-in in the Kurt Thomas-Quentin Richardson trade, he has become a fan favorite because of his incredible athletic ability. Many of the Knicks' marketing campaigns involve Robinson. Last week, the Knicks handed out life-sized posters of the diminutive second-year player. Robinson's popularity soared last year when the 5-9 guard won the slam dunk contest during All-Star Weekend in Houston and peaked again at the Garden this season when he blocked a shot from Yao Ming.

But to teammates and coaches he also can be the annoying little brother who talks too much and can't control his emotions. Larry Brown tried to get Robinson sent to the Developmental League last season, only to be rebuffed by management.

Before the Knicks' home opener last month, MSG Network recorded Robinson outside the locker room posing and dancing for the cameras. Teammates tried to stop him but Robinson continued dancing. Robinson also has earned a reputation as a bench jockey who trash-talks to players on the floor. He also has been criticized by teammates for, ironically enough, showboating.

Last year, Robinson was involved in two fights with teammates. He went after Jerome James with a broom during a practice and then had to be separated from fighting Malik Rose in the shower. The shower fight prompted a veteran teammate to give Robinson another nickname.

"That's just Nate," the Knick said. "He's a jerk."

Link.

Robinson also has a well-earned reputation as a ball hog, as Peter Vescey and Bill Simmons point out below:

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"I can't recall anyone so diminutive at the pro level so infuriatingly one-dimensional. Even compulsive scoring Calvin Murphy averaged 4.4 assists during his 10-year career, going slightly over seven twice. I mean, nobody loathes sharing the sphere more than Earl Boykins, yet he's accidentally conceived 3.3 assists per over eight seasons.

"Robinson's numbers are downright Yinka Dare-ish. But at least the 6-foot-10 Yinka (R.I.P.) didn't have the ball in his hands 90 percent of the time."

And here's ESPN's Bill Simmons, who in a recent rant lumped another former Rainier Beach star into the calumny:

"Not only is there a good chance that no Knicks player will finish with more than four assists a game, but two of the biggest ball hogs in recent NBA history (Nate Robinson and Jamal Crawford) might crack a combined 4,500 minutes this season without notching 350 assists combined. Did you know Robinson has played 16 games and 343 minutes and dished out 24 assists total? He's a point guard! He's 5-foot-7!!!! How is this possible?????"

So, multiple fights with teammates, show-boating, fights with opposing players, and getting called a "jerk" by your own team...  I think the guy has a track record.

Again, talent-wise we win this trade.  Chemistry-wise, I'm not sure.

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Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2010, 01:11:15 PM »

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  While I think that Nate's scoring can help, and that he's a clear upgrade over Eddie, he's clearly a thug and a punk IMO. If that's the case, then it's adios after the season. No real risk. If he causes problems this year then we still should have 2 extra roster spots to play with.

Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2010, 01:14:32 PM »

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Because he's really short and has a real bad attitude problem. He can also dunk the ball well when no ones covering him.
Oh, wait. This was supposed to be about why we got him.

What bad attitude problem, other than he hates that mike dantoni is a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and deson't want to play for him anymore?

Also, i'd love to hear why he's not an upgrade over eddie house, doubly so when eddie is not preforming the one skill he has to his normal high levels.

If you have one marketable NBA skill, 38% shooting from deep over the last year and a half is unacceptable. Thats a fine number for someone who can do something other than shoot spot up three's, but not for a sniper with no other NBA level skills.

Eddie is not as good as nate. IT's that simple.

You may not like Nate, and that's fine, I don't like a couple players on this team. But to say he's not an upgrade over eddie house is not reasonable.

That doesn't mean it's some earth shattering move, it isn't, nate's a role player.

But the fact remains, he's a better role player in almost every respect than eddie house.

and as someone (i apologize, i forget the Screenname as i'm typing) already researched, over the course of this year, the difference between their 3Pt% percentage is 1%.

Eddie house has one marketable skill in the NBA, shooting the three ball. He has not done that better than most other shooters for the second half of last year, and all of this year.

Nate can do multiple things offensively for you off the bench, defends no worse than eddie does, and is always in attack mode.

He is a much better role player. It isn't an earth shattering move, but it's clearly an upgrade at that bench spot.


Everything here is absolutely correct

Danny Ainge upgraded the ninth player in our rotation

   Do you think 8 players will get more minutes than Nate? I'm not so sure...
Who cares

Eddie was ninth on the team in MPG and currently is ninth on the depth chart behind Sheed, Daniels, and Davis

He IS the ninth player and that is the position we upgraded

Big whoop

It's not a difference making trade or one that will have a major impact or really any impact on this team's chances this year or in the future

So if that's the case, why make it

So that you can offer Robinson a 20% raise at the end of the year and have him be Ray's replacement next year

That's all I can figure

Plamb, im struggling to understand your logic.

You say it's a clear upgrade, but since you think it's the 9th spot, why make it?

I would say you always make moves that are clear upgrades, regardless of hypothetical playing time. the better player is the better player, and (as of the rumors right now) we give up nothing but the inferior player to get the better one...what's the logic to not doing the deal.

If i have an item i don't use as much as other's, but someone comes along and offers to trade me something better for that item....why on earth wouldn't I, regardless of use?

The better player is still the better player, even if i accept (which i don't) that nate won't play anything more than eddie's 4-8 MPG.
Se Roy's post above this, that's why

Better basketball talent, bigger pain in the ass

Do we really need a pain in the ass, arrogant, unlikeable, cocky, demanding player as our ninth player for an upgrade well down in our rotation for a net effect that will ultimately probably anywhere from be minorly positive to minorly negative depending on what he does and how he fits
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Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2010, 01:20:16 PM »

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  While I think that Nate's scoring can help, and that he's a clear upgrade over Eddie, he's clearly a thug and a punk IMO. If that's the case, then it's adios after the season. No real risk. If he causes problems this year then we still should have 2 extra roster spots to play with.

Seriously, i think a lot of you are just ignorant. Nate Robinson hasn't done anything bad off the court like Delonte "Desperado" West or Micheal "Red Eye" Beasley. He has problems on the court which can be addressed with a strong locker room, I really think he's going to surprise a lot of the haters. However I he doesn't solve ALL of our problems. DANNY WHATS NEXT?

Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2010, 01:20:21 PM »

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I keep seeing posts about how Nate isn't a jerk, about how his problems are only with D'Antoni, etc.  Not true.  Here's some reading for you:

Quote
Nate Robinson is, in his humble opinion, "Nate the Great."

And then there was the embarrassing moment three weeks ago when he tried to bounce the ball off the floor and dunk it against the Cleveland Cavaliers, a play that was ruled a travel and made the Knicks look like an undisciplined group of street-ballers.

Robinson's explanation was as peculiar as his decision to attempt the dunk in the first place.

"That's why they call me Spontaneous Nate," he said.

Spontaneous, yes. Great? Not quite. And now Robinson has a new nickname: Instigator. His role in Saturday's Knicks-Nuggets fight cannot be underestimated. Instead of pulling Mardy Collins away from J.R. Smith and allowing the referees to intervene, Robinson went after Smith and ended up fighting with the Denver guard and spilling into the front row.

Robinson and Carmelo Anthony figure to receive lengthy suspensions because both were responsible for escalating the situation.

After the game, Robinson said he did not regret his actions and made the stunning revelation that Collins' flagrant takedown was not only "a good, clean hard foul" but that it was premeditated.

"For what they did as in keeping guys in, I knew a foul was going to come," Robinson said Saturday. "A hard one because we're not going to let guys keep dunking when they're up 20 and they have their starters in. It was a good clean hard foul. After that, it went downhill from there."

Robinson later added: "They wanted to embarrass us. It was a slap in the face to us as a team and a franchise and we weren't going to let that happen."

Clearly, Robinson forgot what he did against Cleveland or what he said after the game upon hearing that Isiah Thomas told the media that Robinson would not try that dunk again. Robinson agreed but quickly added he would try it only if the Knicks are "ahead by 20."

Since Robinson joined the Knicks last season as a throw-in in the Kurt Thomas-Quentin Richardson trade, he has become a fan favorite because of his incredible athletic ability. Many of the Knicks' marketing campaigns involve Robinson. Last week, the Knicks handed out life-sized posters of the diminutive second-year player. Robinson's popularity soared last year when the 5-9 guard won the slam dunk contest during All-Star Weekend in Houston and peaked again at the Garden this season when he blocked a shot from Yao Ming.

But to teammates and coaches he also can be the annoying little brother who talks too much and can't control his emotions. Larry Brown tried to get Robinson sent to the Developmental League last season, only to be rebuffed by management.

Before the Knicks' home opener last month, MSG Network recorded Robinson outside the locker room posing and dancing for the cameras. Teammates tried to stop him but Robinson continued dancing. Robinson also has earned a reputation as a bench jockey who trash-talks to players on the floor. He also has been criticized by teammates for, ironically enough, showboating.

Last year, Robinson was involved in two fights with teammates. He went after Jerome James with a broom during a practice and then had to be separated from fighting Malik Rose in the shower. The shower fight prompted a veteran teammate to give Robinson another nickname.

"That's just Nate," the Knick said. "He's a jerk."

Link.

Robinson also has a well-earned reputation as a ball hog, as Peter Vescey and Bill Simmons point out below:

Quote
"I can't recall anyone so diminutive at the pro level so infuriatingly one-dimensional. Even compulsive scoring Calvin Murphy averaged 4.4 assists during his 10-year career, going slightly over seven twice. I mean, nobody loathes sharing the sphere more than Earl Boykins, yet he's accidentally conceived 3.3 assists per over eight seasons.

"Robinson's numbers are downright Yinka Dare-ish. But at least the 6-foot-10 Yinka (R.I.P.) didn't have the ball in his hands 90 percent of the time."

And here's ESPN's Bill Simmons, who in a recent rant lumped another former Rainier Beach star into the calumny:

"Not only is there a good chance that no Knicks player will finish with more than four assists a game, but two of the biggest ball hogs in recent NBA history (Nate Robinson and Jamal Crawford) might crack a combined 4,500 minutes this season without notching 350 assists combined. Did you know Robinson has played 16 games and 343 minutes and dished out 24 assists total? He's a point guard! He's 5-foot-7!!!! How is this possible?????"
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Well, i agree in principle (i'm not a huge fan of nate's) but some counter points:

First, The entire first article, centering mostly on the fight, talks about how it was pre-meditated and how "we Aren't going to let them do that" and "it was expected". Isn't that just him playing for his coach at the time?

http://gothamist.com/2006/12/18/did_isiah_order.php

I mean, i know it's not an excuse, but Isiah all but admitted he told his players to start a fight that night. Not letting nate off the hook, but just wondering why it's so shocking he did what his coach told him to do.

Second:

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Robinson also has earned a reputation as a bench jockey who trash-talks to players on the floor.

I can think of another player with the above reputation, who I really like as a player and spark plug, who is about to leave the team. Eddie is accused of this all the time, and he clearly talks alot of trash (including to other teams benchs during live play)

Again, not excusing Nate, but wondering exactly what the difference is between eddie's actions and nate's.

The most concerning thing to me is his assist numbers, but again, Eddie doesn't pass leading to assists either.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/eddie_house/

Eddie averages one assist in his minutes on the floor. one.

Sure eddie doesn't dribble often, but when's the last time you saw him get a pass and not chuck, barring a guy up in his jersey?

I just think this is a no-brainer as a move. I share the concerns about NAte's attitude and assist numbers, but i just don't think thats enough justification to keep a player who is clearly worse.

If the deal changes, and we give up something other than eddie for nate, or eddie and something if we get this landry kid, then i'll change my opinion accordingly.

But to me, legit concerns aside:

Nate for Eddie, straight up, is a deal you make any day.



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Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2010, 01:23:53 PM »

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  While I think that Nate's scoring can help, and that he's a clear upgrade over Eddie, he's clearly a thug and a punk IMO. If that's the case, then it's adios after the season. No real risk. If he causes problems this year then we still should have 2 extra roster spots to play with.

Seriously, i think a lot of you are just ignorant. Nate Robinson hasn't done anything bad off the court like Delonte "Desperado" West or Micheal "Red Eye" Beasley. He has problems on the court which can be addressed with a strong locker room, I really think he's going to surprise a lot of the haters. However I he doesn't solve ALL of our problems. DANNY WHATS NEXT?

He went after one of his teammates with a broom handle, and started a fight with another in the shower. 

He hasn't been arrested (other than for driving on a suspended license after multiple driving infractions), but he's still a punk.  There's a reason that two well-respected coaches in Brown and D'Antoni didn't like him.

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Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2010, 01:25:17 PM »

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Because he's really short and has a real bad attitude problem. He can also dunk the ball well when no ones covering him.
Oh, wait. This was supposed to be about why we got him.

What bad attitude problem, other than he hates that mike dantoni is a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. and deson't want to play for him anymore?

Also, i'd love to hear why he's not an upgrade over eddie house, doubly so when eddie is not preforming the one skill he has to his normal high levels.

If you have one marketable NBA skill, 38% shooting from deep over the last year and a half is unacceptable. Thats a fine number for someone who can do something other than shoot spot up three's, but not for a sniper with no other NBA level skills.

Eddie is not as good as nate. IT's that simple.

You may not like Nate, and that's fine, I don't like a couple players on this team. But to say he's not an upgrade over eddie house is not reasonable.

That doesn't mean it's some earth shattering move, it isn't, nate's a role player.

But the fact remains, he's a better role player in almost every respect than eddie house.

and as someone (i apologize, i forget the Screenname as i'm typing) already researched, over the course of this year, the difference between their 3Pt% percentage is 1%.

Eddie house has one marketable skill in the NBA, shooting the three ball. He has not done that better than most other shooters for the second half of last year, and all of this year.

Nate can do multiple things offensively for you off the bench, defends no worse than eddie does, and is always in attack mode.

He is a much better role player. It isn't an earth shattering move, but it's clearly an upgrade at that bench spot.


Everything here is absolutely correct

Danny Ainge upgraded the ninth player in our rotation

   Do you think 8 players will get more minutes than Nate? I'm not so sure...
Who cares

Eddie was ninth on the team in MPG and currently is ninth on the depth chart behind Sheed, Daniels, and Davis

He IS the ninth player and that is the position we upgraded

Big whoop

It's not a difference making trade or one that will have a major impact or really any impact on this team's chances this year or in the future

So if that's the case, why make it

So that you can offer Robinson a 20% raise at the end of the year and have him be Ray's replacement next year

That's all I can figure

Plamb, im struggling to understand your logic.

You say it's a clear upgrade, but since you think it's the 9th spot, why make it?

I would say you always make moves that are clear upgrades, regardless of hypothetical playing time. the better player is the better player, and (as of the rumors right now) we give up nothing but the inferior player to get the better one...what's the logic to not doing the deal.

If i have an item i don't use as much as other's, but someone comes along and offers to trade me something better for that item....why on earth wouldn't I, regardless of use?

The better player is still the better player, even if i accept (which i don't) that nate won't play anything more than eddie's 4-8 MPG.
Se Roy's post above this, that's why

Better basketball talent, bigger pain in the ass

Do we really need a pain in the ass, arrogant, unlikeable, cocky, demanding player as our ninth player for an upgrade well down in our rotation for a net effect that will ultimately probably anywhere from be minorly positive to minorly negative depending on what he does and how he fits

Then bench him or cut him. He makes no money this season and is on a one year deal.

I'd be more than behind that logic if this was a long term deal, or if he was making big money, but this is similar to marbury. If you hit on this deal and he turns out to be an asset, great.

If he doesn't, bury him on the bench or part ways with him. as B-ball pointed out above, at worse you have to cut him because he's a moron and you have two roster slots to play with as people are getting bought out.

If he's taking the ninth player spot, we're not getting anything out of eddie right now we can't pick up when vets get cut later in the year (shooter, no other NBA level skills)

I really don't think, no matter what his attitude, that he's going to walk into that locker room and take over. If he does, ive completely misjudged our core or leadership.
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Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2010, 01:27:10 PM »

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  While I think that Nate's scoring can help, and that he's a clear upgrade over Eddie, he's clearly a thug and a punk IMO. If that's the case, then it's adios after the season. No real risk. If he causes problems this year then we still should have 2 extra roster spots to play with.

Seriously, i think a lot of you are just ignorant. Nate Robinson hasn't done anything bad off the court like Delonte "Desperado" West or Micheal "Red Eye" Beasley. He has problems on the court which can be addressed with a strong locker room, I really think he's going to surprise a lot of the haters. However I he doesn't solve ALL of our problems. DANNY WHATS NEXT?

He went after one of his teammates with a broom handle, and started a fight with another in the shower. 

He hasn't been arrested (other than for driving on a suspended license after multiple driving infractions), but he's still a punk.  There's a reason that two well-respected coaches in Brown and D'Antoni didn't like him.

  One can only hope that his impending free agency will have him on his best behavior for a few months.

Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2010, 01:34:10 PM »

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  While I think that Nate's scoring can help, and that he's a clear upgrade over Eddie, he's clearly a thug and a punk IMO. If that's the case, then it's adios after the season. No real risk. If he causes problems this year then we still should have 2 extra roster spots to play with.

Seriously, i think a lot of you are just ignorant. Nate Robinson hasn't done anything bad off the court like Delonte "Desperado" West or Micheal "Red Eye" Beasley. He has problems on the court which can be addressed with a strong locker room, I really think he's going to surprise a lot of the haters. However I he doesn't solve ALL of our problems. DANNY WHATS NEXT?

He went after one of his teammates with a broom handle, and started a fight with another in the shower. 

He hasn't been arrested (other than for driving on a suspended license after multiple driving infractions), but he's still a punk.  There's a reason that two well-respected coaches in Brown and D'Antoni didn't like him.

Well KG will slap the Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. out of the little dood if runs up with a broom handle.  ::)

Re: Why are we adding Nate Robinson?
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2010, 01:35:31 PM »

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