The loser of the TMac trade (Chi, NY) would then look to Ray's contract (IDEA)

[Mencius]

I'm thinking whichever of Chicago or NY does NOT get TMac, would still have the same motivations to create cap space, and would possibly look to the next best expiring contract, which is Ray's, so maybe, just maybe, if Chicago loses out on TMac's contract, we could snag something really good from them (Deng perhaps).  I know it's a long shot, but really, after TMac is off the board, whose contract looks better to teams than Ray's?

[P2]

75% of the deals before the deadline or draft don't get reported before they happen. So this is not far fetched, at all.

[Greenbean]

I hope the loser is CHI then. I dont want ANY of the Knicks players for Ray. I want their players for House, Scal, TA, Shelden, JR....any combo of that group.

[wdleehi]

Only trade Ray to Chicago if Deng is involved (well Rose as well, but what is the chance that happens)

[PosImpos]

The Bulls considered trading Deng for Big Al but got turned down.  That would have been a good trade for them.  But Deng for Ray?  I don't think Chicago is so desperate to open up cap space that they will totally mortgage their future.  They aren't the Knicks.

[Mencius]

Saw this on a Chicago board.  Makes sense for all these teams, and Chicago would win the McGrady sweepstakes, leaving NY out in the cold. 

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:I'd get moist over this deal:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yh7vnvn

Chicago Out:
Hinrch, Tyrus, Brad Miller, First Round Pick
Chicago In:
McGrady, Scola, B Cook

Houston Out:
McGrady, Scola, B Cook
Houston In:
Tyrus, Brad Miller, Chicago Pick, LA Pick

LA Lakers Out:
A Morrison, S Vujacic, First Round Pick
LA Lakers In:
Kirk Hinrich

If that happened, there's not much on NY that makes me all that interested in trading with them if it involved Ray's contract.  If they are truly desperate to shed Jeffries contract and are willing to be bent over, we could do:

Nate, Jeffries, Chandler for Scal, Eddie, Sheldon, TA.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh8w245

Getting Chandler would make that worthwhile, I think.  I don't know that they're all that desperate to move Jeffries though.

[Lucky17]

The Bulls considered trading Deng for Big Al but got turned down.  That would have been a good trade for them.  But Deng for Ray?  I don't think Chicago is so desperate to open up cap space that they will totally mortgage their future.  They aren't the Knicks.

Yeah, I think this is right.

But I wonder whether the Bulls might give up Thomas, Salmons, and Hinrich for Ray's expiring deal. That would move two big contracts off their payroll for next year, freeing up a bunch of cap room.

Of course, Bulls fans would probably revolt, and burn down half the city.

[arctic 3.0]

Only trade Ray to Chicago if Deng is involved (well Rose as well, but what is the chance that happens)

i been banging the deng drum for days. would LOVE to get him (and hinrich)

chicago is looking for a active power forward. thus the big al talk. i hope we can sell them on davis as a cheap short term solution.
ray and davis for deng and hinrich. chicago gets rid of 2 long term contracts, gets ray's expiring and a offensive minded PF to fill the gap.
we get two of the most versatile defenders in the game.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfozmf6
 
also chicago is not mortgaging its future by trading deng. they are opening the door to a huge FA summer and a whole new chapter.

[Mencius]

The Bulls considered trading Deng for Big Al but got turned down.  That would have been a good trade for them.  But Deng for Ray?  I don't think Chicago is so desperate to open up cap space that they will totally mortgage their future.  They aren't the Knicks.

Yeah, I think this is right.

But I'd be willing to bet the Bulls would give up Thomas, Salmons, and Hinrich for Ray's expiring deal. That would move two big contracts off their payroll for next year, freeing up a bunch of cap room.

Yeah, that sounds about right.  Deng's probably a pipe dream.  Suspect Thomas, Salmons and Hinrich would be the best we could do from them.  Maybe they'd throw a first our way too, as it seems they'd have to in a TMac trade, so why not us.  If a first came our way, Danny would have to do this.

[csfansince60s]

The Bulls considered trading Deng for Big Al but got turned down.  That would have been a good trade for them.  But Deng for Ray?  I don't think Chicago is so desperate to open up cap space that they will totally mortgage their future.  They aren't the Knicks.

Yeah, I think this is right.

But I'd be willing to bet the Bulls would give up Thomas, Salmons, and Hinrich for Ray's expiring deal. That would move two big contracts off their payroll for next year, freeing up a bunch of cap room.

Sign me up for that. I have been a proponent of that trade for a while now. Hinrich is the backup point, combo, defensive animal we could use. Salmons replaces Ray and provides less O but more D. TT is the wildcard bonus who could be the athletic defender we need on those long wings.
Do it, do it, do it.

[PosImpos]

The Bulls considered trading Deng for Big Al but got turned down.  That would have been a good trade for them.  But Deng for Ray?  I don't think Chicago is so desperate to open up cap space that they will totally mortgage their future.  They aren't the Knicks.

Yeah, I think this is right.

But I wonder whether the Bulls might give up Thomas, Salmons, and Hinrich for Ray's expiring deal. That would move two big contracts off their payroll for next year, freeing up a bunch of cap room.

Of course, Bulls fans would probably revolt, and burn down half the city.

I don't think I'd really like that trade.  None of the players coming back is as good as the one going out.  I think Ainge has decided trading Ray is only worth it if we're getting somebody back who is either a) better or b) younger and roughly as good.