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Teams that have to/would like to deal.
« on: February 16, 2010, 04:53:17 PM »

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So here we are days before the trade deadline and it feels to me like a bunch of teams are engaged in a collective game of chicken. There also seem to be two tiers of dealing teams. There are the teams that IMO have to make a deal and the teams that would like to make a deal.

Tier 1: Teams that Have to Make a Deal

CHI - They have to do it. If they don't clear money to go after two big name FAs, they are out of their minds. The question is will they have to move Deng to get the cap space or will they be able to move Salmons and Hinrich. That's why I think they are going to the wire. They are doing everything possible to make sure it's not Deng. In terms of the Cs, I think all the potential players moved by them could help and that includes Ty Thomas.

NYK - Gotta move money. They want LeBron or Wade and in order to get one, they need money for two FAs so they can pair them together or with Bosh, etc...They need to move Jeffries and/or Curry. The question is how much they have to give up to move them. I actually think that both could help the Cs but obviously are overpaid. The Knicks also have very attractive other pieces that IMO could be pried away in order to take on those contracts. Harrington, Chandler, Nate, Lee, Duhon are all interesting parts to add to the Cs.

WASH - again, they have major payroll issues and IMO need to make a move now. The package that we talk about here is Jamison and Miller. I think that that combo would work very well for the Cs, so if I were Danny I would actually prioritize it.

Tier 2: Teams that Would Like to Make a Move

SAC - They could certainly wait to unload money, but with contract like Nocioni burning a hole in their pocket, the question is how long are they willing to hold on to it. They absolutely  have no use for Nocioni with Casspi and Donte Green young and needing PT. The question is whether Danny can parlay this desire to move wasted money into Kevin Martin (who is well reported as not fitting their future plans). The thing that bums me out about this is energy going after Martin could take focus away from players that are more likely to be moved (ie CHI trio of big contracts) and we will lose out on both ends.

PHO - They actually could easily be put in the HAVE TO tier. They must be scared skinny that Amare will leave via FA and they will be left holding the bag. It's their own fault really. The owner is long known to make "saving money" type moves and now it could come back to seriously set the whole franchise back. I mean, where do they go if they lose Amare for nothing? As for the Cs, it seems there are teams with better packages to offer (like MIA) and as much as I like Amare, I'm not totally sure how we use him. Do we trade Perk or bring him off the bench. Perk certainly would not be cool with that. and is a KG/Amare a good combo? I don't know, but I certainly would be willing to try it.

PHI - This is another team that really should move the big Iguodala contract. Their franchise is just not moving  in the right direction and that is a lot of money to pay to be going the wrong way. Yet Iguodala is good enough that I'm sure the Sixers front office is afraid to make a move that looks bad. But I just keep coming back to the MEM move. We all killed them for that move at the time, but it actually worked for them. It would take serious guts to trade Iggy for an expiring. Maybe they would feel better about it if they could also unload Dalembert. I don't know. I would love for them to be a real player because Iggy teamed up with Paul and KG could be devastating to the EC.

GS - They are incredibly hard to figure out. They have bad contracts and they also seem to be going nowhere, so they seem to be a prime target to move money. They also have players that could definitely help the Cs. Monta, Maggette, Morrow, Radman, Biedrins, et al. all have add offense and/or athleticism to a roster (things that the Cs could use). The problem is their asking price could be way too high (ie they might want Perk) and their center pieces aren't ideal (ie Monta seems to have an Iverson problem of not being able to defend his position and Biedrins would have trouble with Howard and Shaq in playoff matchups). I would be very leary of making a move with Ray for what they have to offer.


The big final question is which tier do the Cs fall into. I tend to think they are in the HAVE TO tier if not for this season but for next. I mean, seriously, are we good with re-signing Ray until KGs contract is up and if not how do we replace him considering we are over the cap even letting his contract come off the books?

Wow. This is going to be an interesting two days.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 05:18:05 PM »

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Chicago -- I think they should only clear enough cap space for one max contract and build around Deng, Rose, Noah and their max contract free agent signing.

New York -- NY needs to free up enough space to land two max contract free agents. They won't be able to convince one elite player to join without another. Not with the talent that is on their roster.

Washington -- Wizards need to trade Jamison in a salary dump

Sacramento -- The Kings should give Martin + Evans more time and make the decision in the offseason. They've got nothing to lose by waiting and everything to gain.

Phoenix -- The Suns should trade Steve Nash and try to trade Jason Richardson. Keep Amare off the table and rebuild around him.

Golden State -- the Warriors should dump Ellis, Maggette, Biedrins and Turiaf. They won't do that though, well maybe Maggette but not the other three. I think those players only leave for talent. Not cap flexibility.


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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 05:41:39 PM »

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What about New Jersey? If they opt-out of all options they are at roughly 23 million. If the cap goes down to 52 million as projected, they only have enough for one max player. They are just short of having enough for a second max player (any team hoping for two probably should have 33-34 million in cap space). Why not move C. Lee and Yi to ensure there is enough room for two max guys? They are nice players, but the Nets would still have Harris, Lopez, T. Williams, and their #1 pick. Adding two of Wade, Bosh, Lebron, or Johnson to that would be pretty nice. 
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It is going to be funny next year just how crappy some teams are going to be...there are far more teams clearing cap space for max players than there are players of that caliber.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 06:00:15 PM »

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Chicago -- I think they should only clear enough cap space for one max contract and build around Deng, Rose, Noah and their max contract free agent signing.

I disagree, I just don't see Deng as that valuable of a piece. I'd prefer the cap space and maybe a lesser prospect.

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I think we can add San Antonio to the list of teams that would like to deal.  They have a decent amount of expirings and Mason has already expressed a desire to be traded.

Given the reports that San Antonio is kicking the tires on Tyrus Thomas, you have to think that they're looking to make some roster tweaks.


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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 06:04:22 PM »

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It is going to be funny next year just how crappy some teams are going to be...there are far more teams clearing cap space for max players than there are players of that caliber.
There are only four teams with enough space to offer a max contract -- New Jersey, New York, Chicago and Miami -- to that LeBron James draft class.

Another two teams -- Minnesota + Oklahoma -- who could offer the lower max contract to the Rudy Gay's of the world.

All the stories in the media make it seem like more ... but there actually aren't that many teams involved in this.

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: Three other teams have close to $10 million in cap space and could get involved by making a further salary dump of medium-to-high salary player.

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Chicago -- I think they should only clear enough cap space for one max contract and build around Deng, Rose, Noah and their max contract free agent signing.

I disagree, I just don't see Deng as that valuable of a piece. I'd prefer the cap space and maybe a lesser prospect.

luol is going to come on strong the next few years. IMO he will be an all star game regular.

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 06:13:23 PM »

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Chicago -- I think they should only clear enough cap space for one max contract and build around Deng, Rose, Noah and their max contract free agent signing.

I disagree, I just don't see Deng as that valuable of a piece. I'd prefer the cap space and maybe a lesser prospect.

luol is going to come on strong the next few years. IMO he will be an all star game regular.
Luol Deng would be the third option behind the max contract player + Derrick Rose.

In that role, he is an excellent player and his high quality defensive + rebounding contributions will be very valuable.

As is his versatility in ability to play multiple positions, allowing the Bulls to matchup against just about anyone.

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Chicago -- I think they should only clear enough cap space for one max contract and build around Deng, Rose, Noah and their max contract free agent signing.

I disagree, I just don't see Deng as that valuable of a piece. I'd prefer the cap space and maybe a lesser prospect.

luol is going to come on strong the next few years. IMO he will be an all star game regular.
Luol Deng would be the third option behind the max contract player + Derrick Rose.

In that role, he is an excellent player and his high quality defensive + rebounding contributions will be very valuable.

As is his versatility in ability to play multiple positions, allowing the Bulls to matchup against just about anyone.

I agree that if he stays in Chicago, this would be the likely scenario.  I'm not totally enamored with his game and I think he'd be slightly overpaid for being a third option but the Bulls could still trot out a very good starting five and could have a decent 8 man rotation if they got a max guy.

Rose
(Fill in mid range FA)
Deng
Bosh
Noah

Gibson, Johnson, (Fill in the Blank FA)


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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2010, 06:24:23 PM »

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A team that has to deal is San Antonio.  They are in basically the same position as the Celtics: an aging team that isn't quite good enough.  Richard Jefferson hasn't worked out (did anyone think he would?) and now they are trying to peddle McDyess for a bag of expired corn chips.

At the deadline, you find out who really has value around the league, and who doesn't.

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Teams That Don't Have To Make A Deal But Should

Houston - they have the biggest expiring contract on the market attached to a player they have shunned from the team that professes to be in great shape and ready to contribute. That alone probably means they should be dealing T-Mac as fast as they can but the problem is the market for McGrady is tiny(New York and that's about it) and that team doesn't have a lot that Houston desires(young talent and picks). Ultimately I think Harrington, Chandler, Jeffries, and other stuff goes to Houston and New York gets T-Mac and the right to resign him to add to another big name player this off season if McGrady shows he is worth it
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Chicago -- I think they should only clear enough cap space for one max contract and build around Deng, Rose, Noah and their max contract free agent signing.

I disagree, I just don't see Deng as that valuable of a piece. I'd prefer the cap space and maybe a lesser prospect.

luol is going to come on strong the next few years. IMO he will be an all star game regular.
Luol Deng would be the third option behind the max contract player + Derrick Rose.

In that role, he is an excellent player and his high quality defensive + rebounding contributions will be very valuable.

As is his versatility in ability to play multiple positions, allowing the Bulls to matchup against just about anyone.

I agree that if he stays in Chicago, this would be the likely scenario.  I'm not totally enamored with his game and I think he'd be slightly overpaid for being a third option but the Bulls could still trot out a very good starting five and could have a decent 8 man rotation if they got a max guy.

Rose
(Fill in mid range FA)
Deng
Bosh
Noah

Gibson, Johnson, (Fill in the Blank FA)

The problem with this scenario D is that IMO Bosh is going to try and team up with either Wade or LeBron.

That's the real reason CHI needs to make room for two max FAs from where I'm sitting.

Yeah, Deng is a nice piece on the line up you mention, but I don't think CHI gets a max guy that they want (ie Bosh, Wade, etc..) with only space for one FA.

IMO they've got to clear more space.

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Miami would probably like to shed a little extra payroll to get under the salary cap. Or, they may decide to go big, to try to convince Wade to stay on with them.

Memphis has a little cap room, and could use another shooter if they want to win a playoff series. They have a bunch of extra 1st round picks.

New Orleans has a ton of assets (1st rounders, and expiring/insured contracts) they could parlay into a complementary player for their core.

This Chris Sheridan article may have gone under the radar:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=TradeAssets-100210
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