Why did Washington Trade with Dallas and Not us?

[Rida]

Could it be that Danny is telling the truth

Maybe Danny never discussed Butler AND Jamison for Ray

Maybe the story was put out by people in Washington to force Dallas' hand in including Singleton and Ross in the package and to take on Stephenson, which they were reluctant to do

No one finds it coincidental that within 36 hours of that Celtics/Wizards rumor coming out that the Wizards consummated a deal with the Mavericks that included Butler and was expanded with players included in the trade that Washington wanted in the trade and Dallas didn't

Yes I did find that strange, maybe someone from the wizards put that out there to force the mavericks hand.

[billysan]

Could it be that Danny is telling the truth

Maybe Danny never discussed Butler AND Jamison for Ray

Maybe the story was put out by people in Washington to force Dallas' hand in including Singleton and Ross in the package and to take on Stephenson, which they were reluctant to do

No one finds it coincidental that within 36 hours of that Celtics/Wizards rumor coming out that the Wizards consummated a deal with the Mavericks that included Butler and was expanded with players included in the trade that Washington wanted in the trade and Dallas didn't

Conspiracy theories are fun....actually a trade of Ray Allen for Miller and Butler would have made more financial sense (Miller expiring) and helped us more in an area of need (sg/sf youth and depth) instead of adding Jamison as a defensively challenged big that may not be needed as much with Perk, KG, Sheed and Pierce to man the front line.

[celticinorlando]

they wanted josh howard.

[Tai]

they wanted josh howard.

Who's "they"? Wizards?

Anyways, I went on the Wizards' SBNation site to ask about Mike Miller, and very simply, the guys who replied basically said that Mike Miller would fit our lineup better than Caron if we're trying to replace Ray Allen because Mike has better range (meaning he can shoot 3's better than Caron). As in, Caron would probably be a better replacement between him and Mike Miller if we wanted to replace Pierce. Also, as it is, Mike Miller's taller than Ray Allen and actually plays SG, so we wouldn't lose any (if not gain) length defensively. Then, apparently Mike Miller has the best +/- ratio on the Wizards according to the guys at their SBNation blog. If Mike Miller really is as hyped by Wiz fans, from his range to his +/- ratio, then...why not? If the guy will produce, I don't want to pass on him simply cause he's not a marquee name like Caron, cause truth to be told, that's all I see in him over Miller (again, at least as far as replacing Ray Allen as opposed to Paul Pierce).

Still, this is if Mike Miller is the only guy we can get. I'll still take Iguodala, I'll still take Martin. SCREW Ellis. 

[celticinorlando]

they wanted josh howard.

Who's "they"? Wizards?

Anyways, I went on the Wizards' SBNation site to ask about Mike Miller, and very simply, the guys who replied basically said that Mike Miller would fit our lineup better than Caron if we're trying to replace Ray Allen because Mike has better range (meaning he can shoot 3's better than Caron). As in, Caron would probably be a better replacement between him and Mike Miller if we wanted to replace Pierce. Also, as it is, Mike Miller's taller than Ray Allen and actually plays SG, so we wouldn't lose any (if not gain) length defensively. Then, apparently Mike Miller has the best +/- ratio on the Wizards according to the guys at their SBNation blog. If Mike Miller really is as hyped by Wiz fans, from his range to his +/- ratio, then...why not? If the guy will produce, I don't want to pass on him simply cause he's not a marquee name like Caron, cause truth to be told, that's all I see in him over Miller (again, at least as far as replacing Ray Allen as opposed to Paul Pierce).

Still, this is if Mike Miller is the only guy we can get. I'll still take Iguodala, I'll still take Martin. SCREW Ellis. 

yes. the wiz wanted josh howard. and i would be fine with miller and jamison for ray...then let ray get bought out and bring him back

[Rida]

they wanted josh howard.

Who's "they"? Wizards?

Anyways, I went on the Wizards' SBNation site to ask about Mike Miller, and very simply, the guys who replied basically said that Mike Miller would fit our lineup better than Caron if we're trying to replace Ray Allen because Mike has better range (meaning he can shoot 3's better than Caron). As in, Caron would probably be a better replacement between him and Mike Miller if we wanted to replace Pierce. Also, as it is, Mike Miller's taller than Ray Allen and actually plays SG, so we wouldn't lose any (if not gain) length defensively. Then, apparently Mike Miller has the best +/- ratio on the Wizards according to the guys at their SBNation blog. If Mike Miller really is as hyped by Wiz fans, from his range to his +/- ratio, then...why not? If the guy will produce, I don't want to pass on him simply cause he's not a marquee name like Caron, cause truth to be told, that's all I see in him over Miller (again, at least as far as replacing Ray Allen as opposed to Paul Pierce).

Still, this is if Mike Miller is the only guy we can get. I'll still take Iguodala, I'll still take Martin. SCREW Ellis. 

yes. the wiz wanted josh howard. and i would be fine with miller and jamison for ray...then let ray get bought out and bring him back

I think they wanted his contract, not him which makes this baffling, since if they do want him it won't be cheap to resign him

[Who]

(1) Dallas agreed to take on Stevenson's bad contract

(2) Washington can still get a salary dump for Jamison elsewhere

(3) It appears that Boston never agreed to any deal. Merely that they were interested. And I doubt it ever got to a point were they were willing to pull the trigger due to the financial consequences.

(4) Washington still isn't sure if they want to trade Jamison. They realize it would help fast-track their rebuilding process but they also value Jamison as their leader and as the player who turned around the franchise several years ago. They like him as a veteran influence on the younger guys. Being able to get that cap flexibility while keeping the option open to retain Jamison was a plus for Washington.

[Rida]

(1) Dallas agreed to take on Stevenson's bad contract

(2) Washington can still get a salary dump for Jamison elsewhere

(3) It appears that Boston never agreed to any deal. Merely that they were interested. And I doubt it ever got to a point were they were willing to pull the trigger due to the financial consequences.

(4) Washington still isn't sure if they want to trade Jamison. They realize it would help fast-track their rebuilding process but they also value Jamison as their leader and as the player who turned around the franchise several years ago. They like him as a veteran influence on the younger guys. Being able to get that cap flexibility while keeping the option open to retain Jamison was a plus for Washington.

The more I think about it, if we did the jamison and Butler for Ray trade it would really help us this season and the season after, but Jamison's age and contract would get uglier after next season

[Marcus13]

IMO this was the only trade option that we've heard that really made sense for us (Iggy makes sense, but nothing Ive read makes me think anything was ever really there)

[FLCeltsFan]

On Bullets Forever, I found this little tidbit that was quoted from CBS Sports

You may be wondering, as I am, why Washington chose this deal instead of another blockbuster that would’ve sent Jamison and Butler to Boston for a package including Ray Allen. According to sources, a handful of Eastern Conference GMs pressured Wizards GM Ernie Grunfeld to shy away from the Boston deal for obvious reasons. "It would screw up the balance of power in the East for three years," one executive said. One theory circulating in Dallas is that Grunfeld didn’t want to alienate other teams he might need to do business with as he continues dismantling the roster in the wake of the Gilbert Arenas firearms fiasco.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2010/2/14/1310131/2010/2/14/1310131/why-the-wizards-mavericks-trade-is

It seems as though there are some GM's who are out to get the Celtics and keep them from improving.  Kind of makes it hard for Danny to make a deal when GM's are bring pressured not to deal with the Celtics. 

[indeedproceed]

My good god. That is ridiculous. That makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

[RJ87]

On Bullets Forever, I found this little tidbit that was quoted from CBS Sports

You may be wondering, as I am, why Washington chose this deal instead of another blockbuster that would’ve sent Jamison and Butler to Boston for a package including Ray Allen. According to sources, a handful of Eastern Conference GMs pressured Wizards GM Ernie Grunfeld to shy away from the Boston deal for obvious reasons. "It would screw up the balance of power in the East for three years," one executive said. One theory circulating in Dallas is that Grunfeld didn’t want to alienate other teams he might need to do business with as he continues dismantling the roster in the wake of the Gilbert Arenas firearms fiasco.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2010/2/14/1310131/2010/2/14/1310131/why-the-wizards-mavericks-trade-is

It seems as though there are some GM's who are out to get the Celtics and keep them from improving.  Kind of makes it hard for Danny to make a deal when GM's are bring pressured not to deal with the Celtics. 

I really hope thats not true... Pretty ridiculous.

[Who]

According to sources, a handful of Eastern Conference GMs pressured Wizards GM Ernie Grunfeld to shy away from the Boston deal for obvious reasons. "It would screw up the balance of power in the East for three years," one executive said. 

Meh, I don't think the trade would have been that big of a deal for the Celtics or the Eastern Conference.

[FLCeltsFan]

If it is true, though, it makes Danny's denials about any talks a lot more understandable.   He is always quick to deny any rumors and to say that no talks are taking place.  Maybe he is aware of this kind of thing and that's why he tries to keep everything hush hush. 

[Who]

I think it's one of those things reporters love to write about, put their spin on it, and make a big deal about because it's a good story ... but in reality isn't a factor.

That's how I view it anyway.