Why did Washington Trade with Dallas and Not us?

[PLamb]

I find that report silly and if the owner of the Wizards reads it and believes it he should fire Grunfeld immediately

Grunfeld needs to do whats best for the Wizards and not what's best for the Eastern Conference

If Ray for both assets was best for the Wizards, that's what would have happened

All the rest is speculative BS

[Tai]

On Bullets Forever, I found this little tidbit that was quoted from CBS Sports

You may be wondering, as I am, why Washington chose this deal instead of another blockbuster that would’ve sent Jamison and Butler to Boston for a package including Ray Allen. According to sources, a handful of Eastern Conference GMs pressured Wizards GM Ernie Grunfeld to shy away from the Boston deal for obvious reasons. "It would screw up the balance of power in the East for three years," one executive said. One theory circulating in Dallas is that Grunfeld didn’t want to alienate other teams he might need to do business with as he continues dismantling the roster in the wake of the Gilbert Arenas firearms fiasco.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2010/2/14/1310131/2010/2/14/1310131/why-the-wizards-mavericks-trade-is

It seems as though there are some GM's who are out to get the Celtics and keep them from improving.  Kind of makes it hard for Danny to make a deal when GM's are bring pressured not to deal with the Celtics. 

Wow. The worst part is that clearly the Wizards fans in the topic concerning the trade (on top of Mike Prada himself) clearly abhor it with a passion.

If what Ken Berger said is true, the Wizards should apologize by offering Miller + Jamison for Ray.

And there's a 1 out of 13 chance that an Eastern Conference GM can, to put it kindly, kneel on both knees in front of me while I unzip.

[cdif911]

they wanted josh howard.

Who's "they"? Wizards?

Anyways, I went on the Wizards' SBNation site to ask about Mike Miller, and very simply, the guys who replied basically said that Mike Miller would fit our lineup better than Caron if we're trying to replace Ray Allen because Mike has better range (meaning he can shoot 3's better than Caron). As in, Caron would probably be a better replacement between him and Mike Miller if we wanted to replace Pierce. Also, as it is, Mike Miller's taller than Ray Allen and actually plays SG, so we wouldn't lose any (if not gain) length defensively. Then, apparently Mike Miller has the best +/- ratio on the Wizards according to the guys at their SBNation blog. If Mike Miller really is as hyped by Wiz fans, from his range to his +/- ratio, then...why not? If the guy will produce, I don't want to pass on him simply cause he's not a marquee name like Caron, cause truth to be told, that's all I see in him over Miller (again, at least as far as replacing Ray Allen as opposed to Paul Pierce).

Still, this is if Mike Miller is the only guy we can get. I'll still take Iguodala, I'll still take Martin. SCREW Ellis. 

just came across this one - yes, pretty obviously they are the Wizards

just curious, why the Ellis hate?

[Reyquila]

Sure; Stern is out to get us; the referees are out to get us; the Eastern Conference Team Owners are out there to get us. Conspiracy! Conspiracy...! Call the FBI.

[cdif911]

Sure; Stern is out to get us; the referees are out to get us; the Eastern Conference Team Owners are out there to get us. Conspiracy! Conspiracy...! Call the FBI.

dude, FBI is in on it, we need to hire a PI

[Tai]

they wanted josh howard.

Who's "they"? Wizards?

Anyways, I went on the Wizards' SBNation site to ask about Mike Miller, and very simply, the guys who replied basically said that Mike Miller would fit our lineup better than Caron if we're trying to replace Ray Allen because Mike has better range (meaning he can shoot 3's better than Caron). As in, Caron would probably be a better replacement between him and Mike Miller if we wanted to replace Pierce. Also, as it is, Mike Miller's taller than Ray Allen and actually plays SG, so we wouldn't lose any (if not gain) length defensively. Then, apparently Mike Miller has the best +/- ratio on the Wizards according to the guys at their SBNation blog. If Mike Miller really is as hyped by Wiz fans, from his range to his +/- ratio, then...why not? If the guy will produce, I don't want to pass on him simply cause he's not a marquee name like Caron, cause truth to be told, that's all I see in him over Miller (again, at least as far as replacing Ray Allen as opposed to Paul Pierce).

Still, this is if Mike Miller is the only guy we can get. I'll still take Iguodala, I'll still take Martin. SCREW Ellis. 

just came across this one - yes, pretty obviously they are the Wizards

just curious, why the Ellis hate?

Doesn't have Ray's length, and most of the other options are much better shooters. I mean, as it is, Iguodala's probably the more similar player out of the remaining options, and you know everyone and their mother would take him over Ellis.

He's just not worth trading Ray to me compared to everyone else we could get (you know, assuming teams aren't blackballing us).

[thedawg]

I'm willing to discuss this question directly if the Celtics don't get a trade done by Thursday.

As it stands, Miller and Jamison are still with the Wizards, and we could easily still trade Ray for them.

Ditto.
I'd be happy with Ray for Miller+Jamison.

Jamison is a great player but the big man I am looking towards is Chris Bosh. He is probably 110% not going until the summer but we really need to get him when Allen´s contract is up, and get Allen to sign up for a "smaller amount" again as we still can use him for a season. Bosh would be a replacement for Garnett when he is outdated.

[greg_kite]

On Bullets Forever, I found this little tidbit that was quoted from CBS Sports

You may be wondering, as I am, why Washington chose this deal instead of another blockbuster that would’ve sent Jamison and Butler to Boston for a package including Ray Allen. According to sources, a handful of Eastern Conference GMs pressured Wizards GM Ernie Grunfeld to shy away from the Boston deal for obvious reasons. "It would screw up the balance of power in the East for three years," one executive said. One theory circulating in Dallas is that Grunfeld didn’t want to alienate other teams he might need to do business with as he continues dismantling the roster in the wake of the Gilbert Arenas firearms fiasco.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2010/2/14/1310131/2010/2/14/1310131/why-the-wizards-mavericks-trade-is

It seems as though there are some GM's who are out to get the Celtics and keep them from improving.  Kind of makes it hard for Danny to make a deal when GM's are bring pressured not to deal with the Celtics. 

Too bad none of the Western Conference GMs did this to Chris Wallace when he was considering trading Pau Gasol.

I hope Grunfeld isn't soft enough to let peer pressure prevent him from making a deal that's good for his team.  If the Dallas deal was better for the Wiz then that should be the reason he made it, not peer pressure.  And Josh Howard is probably better for the future of the team than Ray, so my guess is this is a BS article.

[Fafnir]

On Bullets Forever, I found this little tidbit that was quoted from CBS Sports

You may be wondering, as I am, why Washington chose this deal instead of another blockbuster that would’ve sent Jamison and Butler to Boston for a package including Ray Allen. According to sources, a handful of Eastern Conference GMs pressured Wizards GM Ernie Grunfeld to shy away from the Boston deal for obvious reasons. "It would screw up the balance of power in the East for three years," one executive said. One theory circulating in Dallas is that Grunfeld didn’t want to alienate other teams he might need to do business with as he continues dismantling the roster in the wake of the Gilbert Arenas firearms fiasco.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2010/2/14/1310131/2010/2/14/1310131/why-the-wizards-mavericks-trade-is

It seems as though there are some GM's who are out to get the Celtics and keep them from improving.  Kind of makes it hard for Danny to make a deal when GM's are bring pressured not to deal with the Celtics. 

Too bad none of the Western Conference GMs did this to Chris Wallace when he was considering trading Pau Gasol.

I hope Grunfeld isn't soft enough to let peer pressure prevent him from making a deal that's good for his team.  If the Dallas deal was better for the Wiz then that should be the reason he made it, not peer pressure.  And Josh Howard is probably better for the future of the team than Ray, so my guess is this is a BS article.

They got a ton of salary relief by shipping out Butler and Stevenson, and still have options with Jamison.

I think other GMs probably were happy that the C's didn't get both players. (I mean Ray Allen gets bought out in that scenario so the C's get them for nothing put picks) But I don't think that effects what Grunsfeld did.

[Brickowski]

My guess is that Boston wanted no part of DeShawn Stevenson.

[Edgar]

how great gooden is 

[Edgar]

Or maybe just they doesnt want to trade withing the same conference

[sk7326]

Howard brings the Wizards more leverage.  Howard can be as good as Butler, but the Wizards can turn him into cap space if they want. 

[More Banners]

We are finding out the limitations on the value of expiring contracts.  Teams that want to dump their talented by highly paid stars need to give fans some hope for the future, despite the dismal present.  We don't have anything to offer in the way of young talent, decent draft picks, or even an expiring contract for a player that could bring talent in a sign-and-trade this summer. 

Our expirings just aren't worth as much as we'd hoped.

[greg_kite]

Howard brings the Wizards more leverage.  Howard can be as good as Butler, but the Wizards can turn him into cap space if they want. 

And if they want to keep him they probably could at around 8 mil rather than the 12 mil they were paying Butler.