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Developments in the Trade Market
« on: February 11, 2010, 10:02:21 AM »

Offline ssspence

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Some interesting news and notes this morning:

1)   The market for Ty Thomas seems to be relatively strong, according to Yahoo! Sports. Teams seem prepared to offer 1st round picks of some value for him, most notably Charlotte. This surprises me a little considering his inconsistency and volatility, but considering he’ll be a restricted FA this summer he could be very valuable to teams at the qualifying offer of around 6mil if no one else will make him a substantial offer due to the uncertainty of the CBA negotiation. Two interesting tidbits here: Chicago remains determined to find a taker for Hinrich in the process, which likely leaves the door very slightly open for a last minute deal where the Cs come away with more than Hinrich and / or Thomas from the Bulls; and Charlotte’s offer for Thomas is apparently, Law, Murray and a 1st – this doesn’t include Augustin.

2)   The market for McGrady seems to be clarifying, with a deal to the Knicks & Wiz seeming more certain. The ball sounds like it’s in Houston’s court, and I can’t imagine they won’t pull the trigger whether for Butler and Haywood, or just directly with NYK for Harrington, Mobley and Milicic or whatever. If this deal goes down soon, Ray Allen’s deal will become that much more attractive to teams on the fence about their financial future. Will it make a major difference? Probably not, but it would likely start the domino effect of deals for the next week if nothing else. Meanwhile, the Knicks are likely resigned to the fact that they cannot trade Jeffries or Curry, despite the fact that the Jeffries has player better of late. Could they get nervous this week? Any chance they’ll panic and give up a good young player or two to dump JJ?

3)   It doesn’t sound like the Kings will trade Kevin Martin. As things get worse for the Cs, you wonder whether they’ll be tempted to take the likes of a Nocioni (tho I’d prefer Udrih) in order to get a young scorer. And I’m kind of shocked by the idea that if the Kings could clear $17-18mil off of their cap over each of the next two seasons – when they’re paying Garcia & Nocioni a stupid amount to back-up their myriad other swing players who are actually good (Greene, Casspi) -- to trade for a classy veteran, they wouldn’t. But I can understand the desire to try to fit Martin with Evans – if they can figure it out that’s a pretty interesting dynamic.

4)   Three things caught my attention about the Baby for DJ Augustin rumor yesterday: a) Danny Ainge stating on WEEI that he hadn’t spoken to Charlotte (which in and of itself means nothing – it doesn’t mean that Leo or Ryan hasn’t), but that he “liked the player” in the rumor, b) Ric Bucher telling Ryen Rusillo in his podcast yesterday that that rumor was firmly planted in the e-sphere by Larry Brown, and c) Jared Dudley’s tweet about how much DJ wants outta Charlotte. It sure sounds like the Bobcats are ready to give up on him, and tho he hasn’t shot the ball that well this year, he is a very solid spot-up shooter and penetrator. And man could the Cs use some offense right now – with Pierce hobbled and Ray out of sorts, do we have any scorers on this team? Daniels? Anyone else? Now if the Bobcats go all in on Thomas (which I would certainly do over Davis), we can forget it.

Anybody else see anything out there?
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Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2010, 10:08:42 AM »

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i want something to develop fast. I'm tired of just having the C's sit around and wait. As it stands now, I think the C's don't stand a chance of getting out of the East. The favorites have got to be Lakers by a hair over Cleveland.
I think the world is waiting for Cleveland to trade JJ Hickson +filler to Indiana for Troy Murphy. (They will NOT get Jamison from the Wiz - bad blood between the two organizations)Once that happens, you will see the 3way with Hou/NY/DC happen, then the Celtics will do a minor deal and then Chi will trade TT. Then the ball will start to roll.
I just hope that it starts today and NOT next Wednesday.

Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2010, 10:13:38 AM »

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No, I don't see anything really good shaping up for the C's.  If the Kings really aren't willing to trade Martin unless we take on Udrih or Nocioni, and the Celtics aren't willing to take on that kind of money, then we aren't getting him.  He's probably the best hope we have of getting a young SG to replace Ray Allen and give this team some life on offense. 

It sounds like if Iggy is going to be traded, it will be to the Suns or the Mavs in a trade involving Amare.  I still think we ought to try to get Iggy + Dalembert (cap be [dang]ed), but it sounds like the team hasn't even really looked into it.

If Danny doesn't put something together by the trade deadline, we can give up on this season being anything special.  Talent wise this team may be capable of a title when fully healthy, but I firmly believe nothing sort of a major change is going to flip the script and the attitude with this team.  Without that happening, we're not getting out of the first round (maybe second if we're lucky).
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Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2010, 10:23:06 AM »

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The Wizards are probably the first shoe to drop - then the Cavs.  Cavs have the Wally deal and Z's and Hickson to be able to get something important.

Cavs are by far the best team in the league right now - both by any sorts of metrics you can wave, and anecdotally (their Xmas whipping of the Lakers still the signature WOW result of the first half of the season). 

Tonight's game will be interesting - Cavs were the best team in the league LAST year too, but the Magic matched up with them too perfectly.  Will Shaq's ability to stand behind Howard be enough to cause that matchup to be fixed?

Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2010, 10:51:04 AM »

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The more trades the better. The more trades their are the more buyouts their will be. The more buyouts there are the more likely we are to get someone who will help the team off the waiver wire.
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Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2010, 10:52:37 AM »

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I wonder if the Celtics could get more in a three-way trade. 


Ray goes to GS to send Ellis to another team to get a replacement for Ray?  I would love to do it with Atl to get Johnson (I think he is leaving ATL no matter what.  This way, ATL replaces him with a smaller contract.)

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2010, 10:53:47 AM »

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I just saw harrington is trying to be traded by the knicks. I would not mind him for some scoring off the bench.. Or even starting him and moving ray to the bench. What does everyone think? Don't know his contract situation...

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I just saw harrington is trying to be traded by the knicks. I would not mind him for some scoring off the bench.. Or even starting him and moving ray to the bench. What does everyone think? Don't know his contract situation...


He makes to much money to pick him up for just the bench folder..

Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2010, 10:56:18 AM »

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I just saw harrington is trying to be traded by the knicks. I would not mind him for some scoring off the bench.. Or even starting him and moving ray to the bench. What does everyone think? Don't know his contract situation...
He makes 10 million this year but he is an expiring contract. However, he is more of a 3/4 than a 2/3. Can't start him but he would be a good bench asset.
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Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2010, 10:58:03 AM »

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I wonder if the Celtics could get more in a three-way trade. 


Ray goes to GS to send Ellis to another team to get a replacement for Ray?  I would love to do it with Atl to get Johnson (I think he is leaving ATL no matter what.  This way, ATL replaces him with a smaller contract.)
I like that idea a lot I think the Hawks would not want Johnson on the Celtics and thus would not agree. However, the premise to move Ray as part of a 3 way to get a player who their team doesn't think they will be able to sign to a new contract (not sure if that made sense but I bet you got the jist).
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Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2010, 11:11:05 AM »

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I wonder if the Celtics could get more in a three-way trade. 


Ray goes to GS to send Ellis to another team to get a replacement for Ray?  I would love to do it with Atl to get Johnson (I think he is leaving ATL no matter what.  This way, ATL replaces him with a smaller contract.)

I like the idea of involviong GS. Curry is playing well, and they're more than capable of doing something dumb.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2010, 11:14:36 AM »

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I wonder if the Celtics could get more in a three-way trade. 


Ray goes to GS to send Ellis to another team to get a replacement for Ray?  I would love to do it with Atl to get Johnson (I think he is leaving ATL no matter what.  This way, ATL replaces him with a smaller contract.)

I like the idea of involviong GS. Curry is playing well, and they're more than capable of doing something dumb.

I had the same thought last night when Curry was tearing up the Clips w/out Ellis.

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2010, 11:40:48 AM »

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Somethin I read on ESPN Insider a couple days ago keeps sticking in my head:

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We noted at the end of last week that with the Clippers seemingly out of playoff contention, there was a chance Marcus Camby might get traded.

The thinking goes that teams that have inquired about Camby's availability previously were quickly rebuffed, but now that Mike Dunleavy is out as coach and it looks like another lost season for the Clips, they could be open to something now.

If that's the case, CBS Sports' Ken Berger reports today that both the Knicks and Nuggets "are intrigued by the possibility of bringing him back for an encore."

But Berger is quick to note Camby will likely only get dealt under two scenarios: if the Clippers get a solid talent in return, or they free up some more cap space to sign a max free agent this offseason.

If that's the case, a possible scenario would be the Knicks sending over Darko Milicic. Both Camby and Milicic are making in the 7-million range this season, and Milicic has an expiring contract.

Milicic has also asked for a buyout this season, so the Clips could buy him out once they trade for him, which could save them a little money.

But if the Clippers wanted to free up some serious cap space, they'd likely need to involve another player on their team that has at least one year left on his deal, and trade him along with Camby for expiring contracts, since Camby's deal is up at the end of this season

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors?date=20100209


If all this is true and the Nuggets and Knicks aren't going to give up talent for Camby then the Clippers might want to go the lower salary route

So why not sending Ray and Perk to LA for Kaman, Camby and Gordon
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Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2010, 11:54:22 AM »

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Somethin I read on ESPN Insider a couple days ago keeps sticking in my head:

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We noted at the end of last week that with the Clippers seemingly out of playoff contention, there was a chance Marcus Camby might get traded.

The thinking goes that teams that have inquired about Camby's availability previously were quickly rebuffed, but now that Mike Dunleavy is out as coach and it looks like another lost season for the Clips, they could be open to something now.

If that's the case, CBS Sports' Ken Berger reports today that both the Knicks and Nuggets "are intrigued by the possibility of bringing him back for an encore."

But Berger is quick to note Camby will likely only get dealt under two scenarios: if the Clippers get a solid talent in return, or they free up some more cap space to sign a max free agent this offseason.

If that's the case, a possible scenario would be the Knicks sending over Darko Milicic. Both Camby and Milicic are making in the 7-million range this season, and Milicic has an expiring contract.

Milicic has also asked for a buyout this season, so the Clips could buy him out once they trade for him, which could save them a little money.

But if the Clippers wanted to free up some serious cap space, they'd likely need to involve another player on their team that has at least one year left on his deal, and trade him along with Camby for expiring contracts, since Camby's deal is up at the end of this season

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors?date=20100209


If all this is true and the Nuggets and Knicks aren't going to give up talent for Camby then the Clippers might want to go the lower salary route

So why not sending Ray and Perk to LA for Kaman, Camby and Gordon

They really don't have much reason to trade Kamen. Take he and Perk out and it's Camby and Gordon for Ray. That won't get it done. Gordon is one of the guys they're building around.
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Re: Developments in the Trade Market
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2010, 11:59:58 AM »

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Taking a look at the trade idea proposed:

Perkins and Ray to the Clippers for

Camby, Kaman, and Gordon

& G.Davis to the Bobcats for

Augustine



#1 Hollingers prediction is this increases our wins by +5 the rest of the season

#2 Gordon is a free agent in the summer, so a starting SG will be top priority to sign for 2010-11.

#3 Given the above scenario, we have the best shot at banner
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