I've got the perfect trade with Chicago

[rondohondo]

How about

Bos Sends: Ray + Daniels
Chi Sends: Deng + Hinrich

or

Bos sends: Ray, Daniels, BBD + 1st(if needed)
Chi Sends: Deng, Hinrich + Thomas


Why for Boston

They get a young all star caliber wing and a real backup PG who can lock down opposing PG's and SG's. If they include BBD and a pick for Ty Thomas we would also have the athletic big we have been looking for.


Why for Chicago

Clear cap space and get Ray who they want to resign next year if they traded for him. So by doing this trade they can resign Ray for about 7 mil for a few  years and would still be able to sign a max free agent this summer. Daniels also provides depth for them for this year .

[Drucci]

Terrible trade scenarios, we get rid of two key players to acquire average players with terrible contracts, not to mention the headcase that Thomas is. I will gladly pass on this trade.

[LarBrd33]

Terrible trade scenarios, we get rid of two key players to acquire average players with terrible contracts, not to mention the headcase that Thomas is. I will gladly pass on this trade.

Completely incorrect.  Any trade that lands Deng for Ray Allen would be HUGE for the Celtics in the present and future.  You're in luck though... since there is no way Chicago would give up Deng.  You're more likely to see the Kings salary dump Martin or the 76ers salary dump Iggy before you see the Bulls dump Deng.  And frankly all 3 scenarios are highly unlikely.  We can dream, though.

If this trade happened I'd be ecstatic:
Bos sends: Ray, Daniels, BBD + 1st(if needed)
Chi Sends: Deng, Hinrich + Thomas

Trade out Ray for a guy who is 10 years younger and better.   Get a backup point guard.  And trade that fat bum BBD for an athletic Thomas.  All for it.   No way it happens, though.

[rondohondo]

Terrible trade scenarios, we get rid of two key players to acquire average players with terrible contracts, not to mention the headcase that Thomas is. I will gladly pass on this trade.

Deng is a very good replacement for Ray

Deng = 18 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2 apg, 1blk, 1 stl, 46% fg's 41% 3pt fg


He is capable of being a very good to great defender.

[JSD]

I like Dengs game but I don't like the salary commitment it would take to get this trade done.

[slamtheking]

I like Dengs game but I don't like the salary commitment it would take to get this trade done.

I like the trade, either version.  Don't see it happening though.  Would send a questionable message to FA's that might sign here for less if we ship Daniels out of town.

[Drucci]

Terrible trade scenarios, we get rid of two key players to acquire average players with terrible contracts, not to mention the headcase that Thomas is. I will gladly pass on this trade.

Deng is a very good replacement for Ray

Deng = 18 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2 apg, 1blk, 1 stl, 46% fg's 41% 3pt fg


He is capable of being a very good to great defender.

Deng is overpaid and injury prone.

And having to absorb Hinrich's contract to get Deng is too much of a price in my opinion. Hinrich is worth trading for only if we get rid of our expiring scrubs for him, i.e not losing a key player from our starting five, who spaces the floor like no one else. Deng is a streaky shooter and consistency is not really one of his assets.

Not to mention we would only rent Thomas for one year and he will complain if he is part of the 2nd unit anyway.

I wouldn't screw up our chemistry in a deal that would land us an overpaid and inconsistent guard, although he is a great defender (Hinrich), a fringe above average player who is overpaid and injury prone, and inconsistent (Deng), and a young power forward who is a burden in the locker-room and struggles on the court because he needs to get enough attention and minutes so he can perform at a reasonable level.

No, thanks. Not to mention that trading Daniels would be a huge "screw you" alert to potential future free agents who would consider signing in Boston and realize they could get shipped like garbage the lone year they've been with the team.

[LarBrd33]

I like Dengs game but I don't like the salary commitment it would take to get this trade done.

I like the trade, either version.  Don't see it happening though.  Would send a questionable message to FA's that might sign here for less if we ship Daniels out of town.

3 years ago I was fully on board with trading Paul Pierce (in his prime) for Ty Thomas and Luol Deng.   Landing Hinrich would have been a cherry on top.   

If we could land the same package for what's left of Ray Allen's career... i'd freak. 

[LarBrd33]

Terrible trade scenarios, we get rid of two key players to acquire average players with terrible contracts, not to mention the headcase that Thomas is. I will gladly pass on this trade.

Deng is a very good replacement for Ray

Deng = 18 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2 apg, 1blk, 1 stl, 46% fg's 41% 3pt fg


He is capable of being a very good to great defender.

Deng is overpaid and injury prone.

And having to absorb Hinrich's contract to get Deng is too much of a price in my opinion. Hinrich is worth trading for only if we get rid of our expiring scrubs for him, i.e not losing a key player from our starting five, who spaces the floor like no one else. Deng is a streaky shooter and consistency is not really one of his assets.

Not to mention we would only rent Thomas for one year and he will complain if he is part of the 2nd unit anyway.

I wouldn't screw up our chemistry in a deal that would land us an overpaid and inconsistent guard, although he is a great defender (Hinrich), a fringe above average player who is overpaid and injury prone, and inconsistent (Deng), and a young power forward who is a burden in the locker-room and struggles on the court because he needs to get enough attention and minutes so he can perform at a reasonable level.

No, thanks. Not to mention that trading Daniels would be a huge "screw you" alert to potential future free agents who would consider signing in Boston and realize they could get shipped like garbage the lone year they've been with the team.

You know most shooting guards fall off the face of the earth once they hit 35.  Ray's 34.  Guy has a couple years tops playing at a mediocre level.  Even if he defies the odds and has a "reggie miller" career... that means he's lighting it up for 12 points a game when he's 38.  Big deal.  If you can swap him for a 24 year old stud (you can't... so don't worry about it)... YOU DO IT.

And why would you worry about moving Marquis Daniels?  The guy signed for one year and hasn't delivered.  It's no different than trading any other random bum.  Was it a massive "screw you" when we traded Patrick O'Blount last year a few months after signing him?  Well yes... but who cares.  Lol 

And right now our chemistry is toast.   We aren't destroying anything.


much adoo about nothin, tho.   Bulls aren't trading Deng.

[minijericho29]

Deng is 6-9!  He can't play shooting guard.

[crownsy]

Terrible trade scenarios, we get rid of two key players to acquire average players with terrible contracts, not to mention the headcase that Thomas is. I will gladly pass on this trade.

Deng is a very good replacement for Ray

Deng = 18 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2 apg, 1blk, 1 stl, 46% fg's 41% 3pt fg


He is capable of being a very good to great defender.

Deng is overpaid and injury prone.

And having to absorb Hinrich's contract to get Deng is too much of a price in my opinion. Hinrich is worth trading for only if we get rid of our expiring scrubs for him, i.e not losing a key player from our starting five, who spaces the floor like no one else. Deng is a streaky shooter and consistency is not really one of his assets.

Not to mention we would only rent Thomas for one year and he will complain if he is part of the 2nd unit anyway.

I wouldn't screw up our chemistry in a deal that would land us an overpaid and inconsistent guard, although he is a great defender (Hinrich), a fringe above average player who is overpaid and injury prone, and inconsistent (Deng), and a young power forward who is a burden in the locker-room and struggles on the court because he needs to get enough attention and minutes so he can perform at a reasonable level.

No, thanks. Not to mention that trading Daniels would be a huge "screw you" alert to potential future free agents who would consider signing in Boston and realize they could get shipped like garbage the lone year they've been with the team.

You know most shooting guards fall off the face of the earth once they hit 35.  Ray's 34.  Guy has a couple years tops playing at a mediocre level.  Even if he defies the odds and has a "reggie miller" career... that means he's lighting it up for 12 points a game when he's 38.  Big deal.  If you can swap him for a 24 year old stud (you can't... so don't worry about it)... YOU DO IT.

And why would you worry about moving Marquis Daniels?  The guy signed for one year and hasn't delivered.  It's no different than trading any other random bum.  Was it a massive "screw you" when we traded Patrick O'Blount last year a few months after signing him?  Well yes... but who cares.  Lol 

And right now our chemistry is toast.   We aren't destroying anything.

I'm with you on ray, but considering how well Daniels played and how good the second unit worked pre injury with him, I'm all set for trading him for the bulls trash.

Deng for ray yes, if this trade somehow didn't include daniels to land hinricks awful contract and 33% FG% and Thomas, i'd do it.

[crownsy]

Deng is 6-9!  He can't play shooting guard.

I assume paul would play SG under this scenario.

And deng is one of the quickest 6'9 players in the league, i actually think he'd be fine covering most 2's.

[LarBrd33]

Terrible trade scenarios, we get rid of two key players to acquire average players with terrible contracts, not to mention the headcase that Thomas is. I will gladly pass on this trade.

Deng is a very good replacement for Ray

Deng = 18 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2 apg, 1blk, 1 stl, 46% fg's 41% 3pt fg


He is capable of being a very good to great defender.

Deng is overpaid and injury prone.

And having to absorb Hinrich's contract to get Deng is too much of a price in my opinion. Hinrich is worth trading for only if we get rid of our expiring scrubs for him, i.e not losing a key player from our starting five, who spaces the floor like no one else. Deng is a streaky shooter and consistency is not really one of his assets.

Not to mention we would only rent Thomas for one year and he will complain if he is part of the 2nd unit anyway.

I wouldn't screw up our chemistry in a deal that would land us an overpaid and inconsistent guard, although he is a great defender (Hinrich), a fringe above average player who is overpaid and injury prone, and inconsistent (Deng), and a young power forward who is a burden in the locker-room and struggles on the court because he needs to get enough attention and minutes so he can perform at a reasonable level.

No, thanks. Not to mention that trading Daniels would be a huge "screw you" alert to potential future free agents who would consider signing in Boston and realize they could get shipped like garbage the lone year they've been with the team.

You know most shooting guards fall off the face of the earth once they hit 35.  Ray's 34.  Guy has a couple years tops playing at a mediocre level.  Even if he defies the odds and has a "reggie miller" career... that means he's lighting it up for 12 points a game when he's 38.  Big deal.  If you can swap him for a 24 year old stud (you can't... so don't worry about it)... YOU DO IT.

And why would you worry about moving Marquis Daniels?  The guy signed for one year and hasn't delivered.  It's no different than trading any other random bum.  Was it a massive "screw you" when we traded Patrick O'Blount last year a few months after signing him?  Well yes... but who cares.  Lol 

And right now our chemistry is toast.   We aren't destroying anything.

I'm with you on ray, but considering how well Daniels played and how good the second unit worked pre injury with him, I'm all set for trading him for the bulls trash.

Deng for ray yes, if this trade somehow didn't include daniels to land hinricks awful contract and 33% FG% and Thomas, i'd do it.

Eh.  I seem to think Daniels was pretty much a nonfactor pre-injury.   Big disappointment.  Maybe you guys saw something I didn't.   Haven't been impressed with him AT ALL.  Don't give a crap if we move him.

Maybe we desperately need him scoring 5 points per 20 minutes.  Oh no!  What will we do without his 5 points?! Tony Allen has produced more this season.  Shocker, but true.

[pearljammer10]

Why get rid of Daniels? That makes no sense...Our Bench just gets worse. I dont understand these trade scenarios....

Here one that works and helps us out in every category.


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Rondo/Hinrich
Pierce/House
Deng/Daniels/Walker
Garnett/Thomas/Williams
Perkins/Sheed

This upgrades our bench greatly. Getting a true point that can guard bigger twos and Eddie can guard 1's. Thomas provides hustle, athletic defense, and good running of the floor and is a huge upgrade over "No vertical" Davis. Deng can score and is a much better defender than Ray Ray. Trade also makes us much younger and a little bit quicker, especially the second unit.

Bulls get their cap room to throw at Bosh and Wade.

[ssspence]

Deng is a 24 year old player averging 18 pts and 8 rbds a game making a very fair $10.5million dollars (we currently pay 3 players far more than this). He's shooting 46% from the floor, including 41% from 3. He's also a uniquely talented defender, which the Cs appear to need -- sorely -- and a 100% class act noted for hard work and good sportsmanship.

The latest excuse for anti-trade-Ray posts is how it will hurt our cap. As currently constituted, the Cs will not have any cap room for 2 seasons after this one barring any additions, and at that time we will be in rebuilding mode without the addition of players via trade.

I agree that Cs ownership is unlikely to sign up for the tax bill. But considering this is not money any one of us would be paying, from a basketball perspective to suggest that a trade of Deng and Hinrich for Ray Allen is anything but a windfall for the Celtics is ludicrous and the function of nostalgic homerism -- plain and simple.

In reality, it makes no difference. The Bulls aren't trading Deng for an expiring contract.