How is Doc escaping all the blame?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

The posters thoughts are mine, and always have been.
Tell me:
1)what is a coaches job, responsibilities?
2) team development, sync ?
3) develop and showcase young players early in the season as starter replacement, or trade bait later, if no one sees them, who wants them..?
4) Player management, Sheed playing like Antoine (Peurto Rico) Walker, no one underneath when someone shoots, they all run back when the ball is shot.
5) Ever play Sheldon instead of  "I hate the paint" scal, people say sheldon has fishy hands, or doc saw him in practice...well, if you ever played bball, you'll know practice isn't anything like the game, practice is for learning plays, sheldon's timing will come back when he plays more in the game, game time timing only comes from playing, rebounding is all position, timing, and desire.....he needs real time playing, and watch him...i know he can be a leon powe replacement, mark my words, if doc EVER plays him...instead of scal, and no, scal doesn't "spread the floor"
 KG, sheed, they spread the floor, because people cover them, scal is all alone in the corner...for a reason! if doc's decision making is so sound, why does he play scal, why doesn't he ever do anything, how did rondo develop a consistant shot, but scal hasn't....like...EVER..? !!! No post game, no rebounds
 
 Doc got out coached in all those games that we were ahead and then lost, the other team adjusted to what we were doing, and fixed it, doc did not adjust anything, what you are seeing is a team without a coach, with some really good players. When you are on the floor, you don't see the whole picture, because you can't. You can only see your area, from the sidelines , you see the trends, the breakdowns, and the people who do things without the ball, as in boxing out (Atlanta) calling pics, and setting pics, and the rest. Doc can draw up a good last second play, but that is all.

[cdif911]

this team needs a weekend trip to Rome...

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

I don't think he's been escaping all the blame at all.  Some people on here have been pretty critical of some aspects of Doc's coaching.   Whether its been rotations, game minute management, in-game adjustments,  whatever...  There's certainly been criticism. 

Ultimately, however, the NBA is a players' league and most of the criticism you see will lay at the feet of the players.  But Doc hasn't been immune.

Agreed. He's kind of the first one to admit there are problems and say that essentially "we need to clean up our act". Don't we remember the interview during the 3rd quarter vs. the Magic? Doc was furious. I don't think his coaching has anything to do with our struggles as of late. A huge problem of ours is rebounding...particularly on the defensive end. How is Doc supposed to coach HUSTLE?

[Change]

this team needs a weekend trip to Rome...

Ahh! the good ol' days.

[FatjohnReturns]

Docs abysmal rotations is a significant part of our problems.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Well, what is a coaches job....what do you expect of him..? Motivation, strategy, direction, unity, adjustments, or just, enjoy the good seats, and cheer for US...! People assign all the credit to the coach when we win, and no responsibility when we lose. As if the team wouldn't have won with the lineup and health we had when we won the championship, kg ran the team from the floor, and with the talent and health, it was unstoppable....NOW we need some management, disclipline (spell check), focus, and adjustments....all that matters now is to be healthy and together for the playoffs, not hurting, tired, and lacking unity and direction...or self interests like who is starting, who has more minutes or points, Rondo is the only one who is after the ball, and TA, no one else even follows the shots, ball in the air, everyone runs or walks back to D, tenacity..."GET ME THE BALL" ( remember that guy from the replacements....!

[xmuscularghandix]

Because he's not in uniform.

Exactly, and HE'S not out there making up defensive rotations on the fly. And he's not switching to the "we're up by 15 lets try to ALL get 20 points" offense.

[pearljammer10]

He's escaping all the blame because for once he actually isnt the problem.

He cannot control;

Rondo not being aggressive...Rondo can drive by his man and get to the middle for a score or a dish everytime if he wanted to...Instead he stands at the three point line, or lets Pierce bring the ball up.

The live or die by the three mentality of the team. Doc can only tell his players so much to get the ball inside. Its Sheed, House, Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Baby that are settling for bad jumpers and contested threes. Doc cant control that. This team is best when they are slashing and moving without the ball... Not on one possession isolation jump shots.

Doc can't go out and grab rebounds for us.

Doc can't make Rasheed younger, or Baby taller and more athletic.

Doc can't go out there and actually make an attempt at weakside defense and contesting layups rather than stand under the basket and watch the other team score....

All of these inconsitencies are the players fault, Doc is trying to get it in their brains but he can only do so much. The only thing Doc has control of is benching Big Baby... We are 23 - 5 without him, and 10 - 12 when he is playing in games.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

so the coach is just an advisor.....make a recommendation, sort of ask for something to change, like it will be a favor..?

[cdif911]

so the coach is just an advisor.....make a recommendation, sort of ask for something to change, like it will be a favor..?

In the NBA it's a very fine line.  Over the top, screaming at you coaches just don't cut it.  Pushovers don't either; I don't think Doc is a pushover honestly.  He is a player's coach though.  Much like Terry Francona I feel that Doc does a lot behind closed doors that isn't seen/heard. 

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Could be...how would i know anyway....we just observe and try to decipher, hope for good results, you thoughts sound right..I am sure most coaches would like to choke a player now and then..LOL, ( PJ..)  that player...he was a good slasher, he ended up broke, with his property in repo....

[Pucaccia]

Haven't been able to post as much as in the past. But one thing that's really irking me is that people are blaming Sheed, Big Baby, Ray, KG's health, Pierce's health, House, and others for our struggles.

But very few people are saying anything about Doc. I realize you can't trade the coach in the middle of the season, and you can trade players. That being said, doesn't Doc deserve more heat?

How can the coach allow Sheed to take so many 3s, not rebound, and play so lethargic at times? How can a coach let his team give up so many double-digit second half leads? How can a coach sit there and watch his team get outscored 30-5 in a big regular season game and make no adjustments? How can a coach sit there while we repeatedly go 5 or 6 minutes of game time without getting one good shot?

We're all frustrated about the Celtics struggles lately. But with so many things not going well, how do you not look to the top? Further, whenever our team struggles, Doc seems to immediately know the answer when the media asks him in an interview (during or after the game). If the answer is so obvious to Doc, why not do anything to solve the problem right when he identifies it?

Thoughts?

I 100% agree with you.  Doc is the blame.  His substitution patterns keep the team out of any continuity.  He is the reason for the collapse of the 2nd half.  While other teams are making adjustments. Doc does nothing.  His antidote is "Focus!"  "Focus" on what. He should be giving direction

[crownsy]

so the coach is just an advisor.....make a recommendation, sort of ask for something to change, like it will be a favor..?

Pretty much.

When your players make 4-5 times what you do, It's tough to get them to do anything other than what they want to do. Doubly so when they know they get payed their contract no matter what, and undoubaly could get you fired if it came down to "He's gone or i sit/ sulk".

That's a huge problem in the NBA that other sports don't really face. The NBA, more than any other league, is driven by the players, not the coaches.

[Bossco]

I think head coaches are responsible for how their team's play. When the Patriots lose Bill B. will often say that the coaches have to do a better job as well as the players. Ever hear doc say he was responsible at all for his team losing? What I usually hear is "I told THEM this or THEY didn't do that" etc... Why not say I didn't make the right adjustments or I made some mistakes too? Why doesn't he usually use the word WE? I think that he almost always blames the players but almost never blames himself. Coaches DO make a difference. That is why some stay in the league a long time and are responsible for putting winning teams on the floor year after year. If the players aren't doing what doc asks of them, then it is time for doc to go. Larry Bird says that players tune out coaches after about 3 years and that coaches should move on after then.

P.S. I put some stuff on a shelf in my closet the other day and the shelf fell down. When I opened up a bag that fell to the floor I found that my precious doc bobble head was broken  and that doc's head was rolling around inside. Could this be an omen for things to come? I can only dream.

[looseball]

so the coach is just an advisor.....make a recommendation, sort of ask for something to change, like it will be a favor..?

Pretty much.

When your players make 4-5 times what you do, It's tough to get them to do anything other than what they want to do. Doubly so when they know they get payed their contract no matter what, and undoubaly could get you fired if it came down to "He's gone or i sit/ sulk".

That's a huge problem in the NBA that other sports don't really face. The NBA, more than any other league, is driven by the players, not the coaches.

Not necessarily so.  A successful NBA coach needs to have a forceful personality, same as in other sports.  He needs to explain the program so all can understand it, and then give the minutes to those who buy into it.
Who talked back to Red Auerbach and benefited by it, or to Phil Jackson, Hubie Brown, or Pop, etc?