Rebounding/Defending the Rim/Personnel Moves

[BballTim]

Celtics should make this move. 


Davis can be replaced well enough by Williams and Scali.  Down the road, another big man likely will become available through buy outs. 


This move will finally plug the PG hole on the bench. 

  I think that this just shifts the hole. I'm not happy with Baby but if he can get back to where he was at the end of last year he can contribute more than a backup pg. The thing is that you can't really evaluate any move right now as a final roster move as he may make additional trades or have plans to sign a bought out player. If he thinks that it would be easier to bolser our backup pf spot (or even if he has the expectation that Sheed is going to pick things up as the playoffs get closer) then it's probably a good move.

  By the way, if this team picks things up in April, have we one-upped Iverson? "Regular season games? Regular season games? This isn't the playoffs, man!".

I think you also need to gauge the relative importance of the holes. and when I see us getting pushed around on the blocks, the last thing I want to see us do is weaken our post presence.

If there are concrete moves to shore up the loss of Baby, that's another thing. but if the idea is that we will find some other guy down the road all I have to say is Mikki Moore....

  Why isn't all you have to say PJ Brown? The guy that was brought in to be our 5th big sucked, just like the 5th big on every team sucks. Funny that you've always been all over Danny for the Moore signing but this year you're upset that we didn't choose a player for that same spot in the rotation that probably won't be fully healthy at all this year.

[wdleehi]

Celtics should make this move. 


Davis can be replaced well enough by Williams and Scali.  Down the road, another big man likely will become available through buy outs. 


This move will finally plug the PG hole on the bench. 

  I think that this just shifts the hole. I'm not happy with Baby but if he can get back to where he was at the end of last year he can contribute more than a backup pg. The thing is that you can't really evaluate any move right now as a final roster move as he may make additional trades or have plans to sign a bought out player. If he thinks that it would be easier to bolser our backup pf spot (or even if he has the expectation that Sheed is going to pick things up as the playoffs get closer) then it's probably a good move.

  By the way, if this team picks things up in April, have we one-upped Iverson? "Regular season games? Regular season games? This isn't the playoffs, man!".

I think you also need to gauge the relative importance of the holes. and when I see us getting pushed around on the blocks, the last thing I want to see us do is weaken our post presence.

If there are concrete moves to shore up the loss of Baby, that's another thing. but if the idea is that we will find some other guy down the road all I have to say is Mikki Moore....

  Why isn't all you have to say PJ Brown? The guy that was brought in to be our 5th big sucked, just like the 5th big on every team sucks. Funny that you've always been all over Danny for the Moore signing but this year you're upset that we didn't choose a player for that same spot in the rotation that probably won't be fully healthy at all this year.

Difference is Davis isn't the third big man this year.  Wallace is.

And behind Davis is two other PFs that can step in as a 4th big man and play a roll. 

As for Miki, that was unfortunate where the Celtics were not more patient with other, better big men falling into the market. 

[BballTim]

Celtics should make this move. 


Davis can be replaced well enough by Williams and Scali.  Down the road, another big man likely will become available through buy outs. 


This move will finally plug the PG hole on the bench. 

  I think that this just shifts the hole. I'm not happy with Baby but if he can get back to where he was at the end of last year he can contribute more than a backup pg. The thing is that you can't really evaluate any move right now as a final roster move as he may make additional trades or have plans to sign a bought out player. If he thinks that it would be easier to bolser our backup pf spot (or even if he has the expectation that Sheed is going to pick things up as the playoffs get closer) then it's probably a good move.

  By the way, if this team picks things up in April, have we one-upped Iverson? "Regular season games? Regular season games? This isn't the playoffs, man!".

I think you also need to gauge the relative importance of the holes. and when I see us getting pushed around on the blocks, the last thing I want to see us do is weaken our post presence.

If there are concrete moves to shore up the loss of Baby, that's another thing. but if the idea is that we will find some other guy down the road all I have to say is Mikki Moore....

  Why isn't all you have to say PJ Brown? The guy that was brought in to be our 5th big sucked, just like the 5th big on every team sucks. Funny that you've always been all over Danny for the Moore signing but this year you're upset that we didn't choose a player for that same spot in the rotation that probably won't be fully healthy at all this year.

Difference is Davis isn't the third big man this year.  Wallace is.

And behind Davis is two other PFs that can step in as a 4th big man and play a roll. 

As for Miki, that was unfortunate where the Celtics were not more patient with other, better big men falling into the market. 

  I'm pretty sure that Smith was going to Cleveland whether we'd signed Moore or not.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Leon Powe did everything you'd want from that postion, he did block shots, and controlled that area, passing, of course he did, he was the X factor that year. Cleaned up the boards, put it up strong, caused the other team to get in foul trouble, the only player that might do better there would be M Camby, I think Boston fans are spoiled now, thinking you can just sign anyone you want when you need something, after you got Ray A and KG...it doesn't work that way. You have Sheldon W sitting there, play that man, let him get his timing, start him a few times and leave him out there even if he makes as many mistakes as everyone else does that you disregard, like hmmmm, scal air ball man. Sheldon will get his timing by playing game time ball, practice is for learning new plays and rotations, but timing and postion is from playing real time, put sheldon in more and watch, he'll replace leon fine! Doc should have started him against NJ every time, but doc has no vision....you can't just sign anyone you want to fill a spot...Sheldon has shown he will play the paint, and he has done it well...in his 2 minutes per game back......last year...!

[Fafnir]

Leon Powe... did block shots,

No he didn't.

He's never been a shot blocker. His block totals for his three years in the NBA: 22, 16, 38. His block%: 2.4, 1.6, 2.5.

[winsomme]

Celtics should make this move. 


Davis can be replaced well enough by Williams and Scali.  Down the road, another big man likely will become available through buy outs. 


This move will finally plug the PG hole on the bench. 

  I think that this just shifts the hole. I'm not happy with Baby but if he can get back to where he was at the end of last year he can contribute more than a backup pg. The thing is that you can't really evaluate any move right now as a final roster move as he may make additional trades or have plans to sign a bought out player. If he thinks that it would be easier to bolser our backup pf spot (or even if he has the expectation that Sheed is going to pick things up as the playoffs get closer) then it's probably a good move.

  By the way, if this team picks things up in April, have we one-upped Iverson? "Regular season games? Regular season games? This isn't the playoffs, man!".

I think you also need to gauge the relative importance of the holes. and when I see us getting pushed around on the blocks, the last thing I want to see us do is weaken our post presence.

If there are concrete moves to shore up the loss of Baby, that's another thing. but if the idea is that we will find some other guy down the road all I have to say is Mikki Moore....

  Why isn't all you have to say PJ Brown? The guy that was brought in to be our 5th big sucked, just like the 5th big on every team sucks. Funny that you've always been all over Danny for the Moore signing but this year you're upset that we didn't choose a player for that same spot in the rotation that probably won't be fully healthy at all this year.

First of all, we are talking about our 4th big given that this thread is in relation to trading away Baby. Second of all, as per my OP we are talking about an element of the team that is ALREADY a weak point even WITH the current personnel. And third of all, the expectation for Leon has been that he would be back after the All-Star break..fully healthy or not, there has been a clear expectation that he would be back playing this year which would have added depth to the position.

Planning to find a replacement for Baby (if traded for Augustin) via the veteran minimum is beyond irresponsible at this point given our current struggles to rebound and defend the paint with the personnel we have.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Okay then...Leon didn't have to block so many shots because he took his man, bodied him out, gave him no inside stuff, so he didn't have to block shots, because his D was so tight, they didn't try to shoot over him...! Besides, who is doing that job in the post now, BBD? Nay, Perk covers his spot, but needs help there. Stats don't tell what you did all game. I'd still rather have leon, but he is on Cleveland now, and that is that. We do need someone like him is my point...try to stay with the point. And yes, another point guard, well, maybe, but size is more important, size with desire and mobility....We need a defender rebounder.....

[BballTim]

  Why isn't all you have to say PJ Brown? The guy that was brought in to be our 5th big sucked, just like the 5th big on every team sucks. Funny that you've always been all over Danny for the Moore signing but this year you're upset that we didn't choose a player for that same spot in the rotation that probably won't be fully healthy at all this year.

First of all, we are talking about our 4th big given that this thread is in relation to trading away Baby. Second of all, as per my OP we are talking about an element of the team that is ALREADY a weak point even WITH the current personnel. And third of all, the expectation for Leon has been that he would be back after the All-Star break..fully healthy or not, there has been a clear expectation that he would be back playing this year which would have added depth to the position.

Planning to find a replacement for Baby (if traded for Augustin) via the veteran minimum is beyond irresponsible at this point given our current struggles to rebound and defend the paint with the personnel we have.

  It's not much more irresponsible than counting on Leon to be a part of your rotation would be.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

For me, rebounding and defending the paint are the main issues with this team right now. So, trading away front court depth for a back up PG like Augustin is crazy to me.

With KG struggling to get his legs under him, Perk having inexplicable lapses, Sheed being seemingly allergic to the low post, and Shelden's only input being via his Twitter account, I am very perplexed at what seems to be happening with the team right now and moves that are on the horizon.

I'm again frustrated by the decision to not re-up Leon right out of the gate. His energy on the blocks is EXACTLY what this team needs right now. Just the thought of him almost coming back to the floor would be a rallying point for the team.

I'm still hopeful that we don't know Danny's full plan here, but the way things are taking shape leaves me very concerned...about this season and future seasons.

In big games, we just are not able to control the paint right now. IMO it is essential to control the paint. And combining not signing Leon with trading away Baby for an offensive minded back up PG is antithetical to controlling the paint and thus winning in the playoffs.

We need to be strengthening our post presence, not weakening it.

I'm with you, but one way to strengthen our post presence is to have Sheed IN THE POST MORE OFTEN! Why is he allergic to the post? He is a good post player with a soft touch and high release! We need to start a FEED SHEED (in the post) movement! Who's with me?

[winsomme]

  Why isn't all you have to say PJ Brown? The guy that was brought in to be our 5th big sucked, just like the 5th big on every team sucks. Funny that you've always been all over Danny for the Moore signing but this year you're upset that we didn't choose a player for that same spot in the rotation that probably won't be fully healthy at all this year.

First of all, we are talking about our 4th big given that this thread is in relation to trading away Baby. Second of all, as per my OP we are talking about an element of the team that is ALREADY a weak point even WITH the current personnel. And third of all, the expectation for Leon has been that he would be back after the All-Star break..fully healthy or not, there has been a clear expectation that he would be back playing this year which would have added depth to the position.

Planning to find a replacement for Baby (if traded for Augustin) via the veteran minimum is beyond irresponsible at this point given our current struggles to rebound and defend the paint with the personnel we have.

  It's not much more irresponsible than counting on Leon to be a part of your rotation would be.

but more irresponsible nonetheless....

you and I may disagree on the degree of irresponsibility based on what we each of us thinks Leon will be able to contribute.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Do you guys know leon is playing for cleveland...he is gone, that chapter is over, and now we'll have to watch him do what he can to us...!

[PLamb]

Okay then...Leon didn't have to block so many shots because he took his man, bodied him out, gave him no inside stuff, so he didn't have to block shots, because his D was so tight, they didn't try to shoot over him...! Besides, who is doing that job in the post now, BBD? Nay, Perk covers his spot, but needs help there. Stats don't tell what you did all game. I'd still rather have leon, but he is on Cleveland now, and that is that. We do need someone like him is my point...try to stay with the point. And yes, another point guard, well, maybe, but size is more important, size with desire and mobility....We need a defender rebounder.....

Now you're just making stuff up

Powe wasn't a good low post defender, he was adequate

For much of his first two years with the team it was the worst part of his game

What he was good at was jumping in front of people and taking charges but he often got backed down and/or shot over by bigger men

Heck he wasn't even an exceptional defensive rebounder

He was okay at it but not great

[Birdbrain]

Do you guys know leon is playing for cleveland...he is gone, that chapter is over, and now we'll have to watch him do what he can to us...!

I like that you are letting it go. lol

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Okay then...Leon didn't have to block so many shots because he took his man, bodied him out, gave him no inside stuff, so he didn't have to block shots, because his D was so tight, they didn't try to shoot over him...! Besides, who is doing that job in the post now, BBD? Nay, Perk covers his spot, but needs help there. Stats don't tell what you did all game. I'd still rather have leon, but he is on Cleveland now, and that is that. We do need someone like him is my point...try to stay with the point. And yes, another point guard, well, maybe, but size is more important, size with desire and mobility....We need a defender rebounder.....

Now you're just making stuff up

Powe wasn't a good low post defender, he was adequate

For much of his first two years with the team it was the worst part of his game

What he was good at was jumping in front of people and taking charges but he often got backed down and/or shot over by bigger men

Heck he wasn't even an exceptional defensive rebounder

He was okay at it but not great

I was sort of embellishing things that could have been so, but as i recall, doc didn't play leon hardly at all for his first two years, that is pretty close to fact...! Also a doc trait..! Leon was better at his post than any we have now, he did whatever we needed him to do..for short money, way less than scal, scal is #6 on pay you know...

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Do you guys know leon is playing for cleveland...he is gone, that chapter is over, and now we'll have to watch him do what he can to us...!

I like that you are letting it go. lol
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