Trade idea: Ray / Iggy / Kevin Martin -- one that finally makes sense

[sk7326]

I love how in the subject line its like there is no way in hell the trade would be denied and then the trade makes absolutely no sense for the kings.

There is no way in hell the kings make the trade, they end up swapping out Martin for two worse contracts.. why would they ever do that? Iggy is a worse fit in their system than Martin is and his contract is 5 times worse makes zero sense, sorry

Actually, the worst contract in the trade belongs to Garcia (or Nocioni), which is why the Cs get Martin for an expiring contract.

You describe Iggy's contract as 5 times worse than Martin's. There's really not a substantial difference between the two, and when you consider Iggy's against Martin AND Garcia, he saves them considerably.

Despite what you claim about the Kings system, I doubt you understand it -- Andre is a better fit. If you say Martin's a better shooter, than you're missing the point -- he and Evans can't play together, because both need to be the primary shooter, making it moot. With Andre playing a distribution and defense first, scoring second role, they'll need to find better catch-and-shooting at the 1. They need this already with Martin on the team. He's gone.

Meanwhile, Delmabert is exactly what the Kings need in the middle. They want him anyway, just not straight up for Kenny Thomas. He's an expensive yet short term asset to them in the deal -- not a "bad contract".

Allen for Martin/Nocioni makes sense ... Martin approximates much of Allen's virtues (scoring) and weaknesses (defense).  Allen patched up his defense with effort and low mistakes - no reason Martin can't do that also.  Nocioni is a perfect bench player for this team.  Defense, attitude, fouls a little too much but in a 20 minute a game role can supply a lot of what Sheed was supposed to in theory.  Sacramento gets a financial windfall and there is a small non-negligible chance Allen ends up on the buyout pile afterwards.  

[Brickowski]

Kings laugh.  They already have two young centers and they are trying to shed salary, not ad it.  They have no use whatsoever for Dalenbert.

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Kings laugh.  They already have two young centers and they are trying to shed salary, not ad it.  They have no use whatsoever for Dalenbert.

Brick, I like and respect your opinion. This is a brainf**t. I won't bother with your financial analysis, since your blanket statement on their basketball needs is a shot in the dark. Watch a Kings game.

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future readers -- lets get something straight. the kings are paying an average of $13mil a year to a couple of back-ups at SF (Garcia & Nocioni) over the next 3 years. these are the same boys who play the same position as Casspi. That's 3 back-ups in the the group making around $14-15mil a year. Meanwhile. they have absolutely zero frontcourt defense. None. And don't talk about Thompson in relation to Delambert -- he's a 4, and one who may not be as good as advertised at that.

As usual, this is a fruitless argument. ho hum......

[scoop]

The Kings have been rumoured to be interested in Dalembert for a long time. I agree, they need a defensive big man.

But would Iguodala be a good fit next to Evans? It seems to me that Martin would be a much better one (better off-the-ball, better shooter).

[PosImpos]

The Kings have been rumoured to be interested in Dalembert for a long time. I agree, they need a defensive big man.

But would Iguodala be a good fit next to Evans? It seems to me that Martin would be a much better one (better off-the-ball, better shooter).

I agree, I'm not sure Iguodala makes a whole lot of sense next to Tyreke, since they are very similar players.

Dalembert definitely fills a need for them, though.

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The Kings have been rumoured to be interested in Dalembert for a long time. I agree, they need a defensive big man.

But would Iguodala be a good fit next to Evans? It seems to me that Martin would be a much better one (better off-the-ball, better shooter).

I agree, I'm not sure Iguodala makes a whole lot of sense next to Tyreke, since they are very similar players.

Dalembert definitely fills a need for them, though.

Why are they so similar? I think they'd be a great give and take from both and offensive and defensive perspective.

By the way, great new avatar. TP.

[PosImpos]

The Kings have been rumoured to be interested in Dalembert for a long time. I agree, they need a defensive big man.

But would Iguodala be a good fit next to Evans? It seems to me that Martin would be a much better one (better off-the-ball, better shooter).

I agree, I'm not sure Iguodala makes a whole lot of sense next to Tyreke, since they are very similar players.

Dalembert definitely fills a need for them, though.

Why are they so similar? I think they'd be a great give and take from both and offensive and defensive perspective.

By the way, great new avatar. TP.

I'm glad somebody noticed Thanks.

They're similar because they're both 6'6'' and 200+, they both are better slashing to the rim than shooting outside, they're both better with the ball in their hands, and they're both distributors.  They fill very similar roles. 

[sk7326]

future readers -- lets get something straight. the kings are paying an average of $13mil a year to a couple of back-ups at SF (Garcia & Nocioni) over the next 3 years. these are the same boys who play the same position as Casspi. That's 3 back-ups in the the group making around $14-15mil a year. Meanwhile. they have absolutely zero frontcourt defense. None. And don't talk about Thompson in relation to Delambert -- he's a 4, and one who may not be as good as advertised at that.

As usual, this is a fruitless argument. ho hum......

I just don't see why you'd cut the Sixers into the deal when Martin and Nocioni do it alone.  Nocioni you hold your nose on the contract, but he adds significant value to our team on the bench.  And Martin is someone who fits in perfectly with what we need - a guy who can create a lot of offense without a ton of shots. 

[dark_lord]

i want iggy, not martin.

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future readers -- lets get something straight. the kings are paying an average of $13mil a year to a couple of back-ups at SF (Garcia & Nocioni) over the next 3 years. these are the same boys who play the same position as Casspi. That's 3 back-ups in the the group making around $14-15mil a year. Meanwhile. they have absolutely zero frontcourt defense. None. And don't talk about Thompson in relation to Delambert -- he's a 4, and one who may not be as good as advertised at that.

As usual, this is a fruitless argument. ho hum......

I just don't see why you'd cut the Sixers into the deal when Martin and Nocioni do it alone.  Nocioni you hold your nose on the contract, but he adds significant value to our team on the bench.  And Martin is someone who fits in perfectly with what we need - a guy who can create a lot of offense without a ton of shots. 

good question. i added phili because my understanding is that they're more anxious to shed payroll (look at their current lux tax payment, and lack of production). Sac has been hesitant to let Martin go, but would be interested in a fit.

maybe the direct Cs deal works, and i'd be just as tempted. but i think martin will not be traded for cap space alone -- even with garcia or noce.

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i want iggy, not martin.

you know what? i agree with you.... i think i started this trade idea because i like the idea of only two guys over ray: martin or iggy.

i think it will be really tough for the Cs to trade for Andre. But if they could, I'd do it.

According to an idea I posted a few days ago:

Ray, Baby and a 1st

for

Iggy and Sam D

sign

me

up

[jdub1660]

Let me start out. SSSpence is right that Sactown has been interested in Dalembert for awhile now, which is why we ALMOST got Noncioni in a 3way deal right after he was traded from Chicago. ZING As for Kmart being better for Evans's game...wrong. That's why Kmart is being shopped because the Kings are 1-9 since he returned. ZING, again. Now I do not care so much for the OP trade of getting Kmart and Garcia for Ray...I think we can get more for Ray in a week. IF we were to trade Ray and take on salary, then I would only accept this trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygp4wj8
BOS gets Iggy and Kmart, SAC gets Dalembert, Philly gets Ray
[PLACE 'ZING' HERE]
We take on salary but get young proven talent. Sacramento gets their man in the middle but also clears out Kmart's long contract. Philly in turn loses Iggy but also clears out a butt load of salary to sign a big name this summer, along with bird rights to Ray to resign him.
The cool thing about this trade is that you can add in more of our garbage bench players like Scal,Giddens,etc and add in more contracts like Garcia or Nocioni or whoever.

[sk7326]

i want iggy, not martin.

you know what? i agree with you.... i think i started this trade idea because i like the idea of only two guys over ray: martin or iggy.

i think it will be really tough for the Cs to trade for Andre. But if they could, I'd do it.

According to an idea I posted a few days ago:

Ray, Baby and a 1st

for

Iggy and Sam D

sign

me

up

Iggy is a good player but does not directly address the things this team would need with a trade of Allen - Martin I like a little better ...

I think Sacramento has to evaluate whether Martin and Tyreke is a worthwhile combination ... with them being 2-13 since Martin returned, and a chance to clear 18 million off their books, they have to look hard at it.  Celts could even offer a first - marginal value but it's something.

[Jack_Frost]

Bye bye Iggy:

"We've been through the league more than once," said Stefanski of his trade talk with other clubs.

"We've talked to numerous teams. You never know until it gets closer to the deadline whether a deal is going to pop or not. But we are looking for value back. If we make a trade, we are looking to improve the basketball team, not just to get rid of players."