Trade idea: Ray / Iggy / Kevin Martin -- one that finally makes sense

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The Cs have been linked to both Kevin Martin and Andre Iguodola as potential fits in a Ray Allen trade where his contract is the motivating factor. The solution:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhvy887

To me, here’s a blockbuster deal that could actually make sense for all teams involved for the reasons below for each team:

1)   The Kings - They get real value for Kevin Martin in exchange for taking on Delambert, a player who they’ve been rumored to want but hesitant to acquire straight-up. The Kings look good here – Udrih, Evans, Iggy, Thompson and Delambert starting with Rodriguez, Casspi, Nocioni and Hawes coming off the bench. Not only do they gety than value, but they relieve the rhetorical nature of the Garcia (who I prefer) and Nocioni. The Kings may need to send a pick to the Sixers in this deal;

2)   The Sixers - They accomplish two things: a) they dump a HUGE amount of salary, and b) they avoid trading Iggy in the division or conference to numb of their fans' pain from trading their best player. As I noted above, I envision the Kings giving up a pick to the Sixers in the deal;

3)   The Celtics - They get an excellent young SG in Martin, and an honest-to-goodness back-up / rotation player at the 3. Garcia’s contract is too long but he’s a very good defender and shooter, and he’s a noted locker room guy who will fit right in. He will earn that money with the Cs, and by all accounts he’s close to returning which should give him plenty of time to integrate into the team. Martin, Pierce, Garcia, Tony Allen and Eddie House make one heck of a mix-and-match swing department, capable of matching up well with any team in that area. Combined, Martin and Garcia never make more than what Ray is making right now.

Granted, deals like this almost never happen. But the deal makes more sense than any direct deal (i.e. one-on-one) amongst these three teams, and it’s pretty clear all the teams involved have interest.

[Pawtucket Pat]

I don't understand what the Kings motivation would be for taking on that much extra salary and years just for the slight upgrade of Martin to Iggy. It doesn't make sense to stunt Tyreke Evans growth by bringing in another alpha dog-type player while also costing them money both now and down the line. The main impetus for them in a trade to move Martin is to save money.

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I don't understand what the Kings motivation would be for taking on that much extra salary and years just for the slight upgrade of Martin to Iggy. It doesn't make sense to stunt Tyreke Evans growth by bringing in another alpha dog-type player while also costing them money both now and down the line. The main impetus for them in a trade to move Martin is to save money.

I don't agree that Iggy is an alpha-dog, or that he and Martin share much as players. Iggy will guard the opposing teams best player every night, and is very efficient with his touches -- he not a volume shooter like Evans or Martin. He's a pretty ideal second fiddle on a team like the Kings, and he's a 3 not a 2.

The Kings are paying too much money to too many wings, when you factor in Nocioni, Casspi and Evans. This clears that jam and gives them two productive players in the process. They very much need a defensive presence at the 5, and want Delambert. If they could trade Nocioni or Garcia for Delambert, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

I also don't agree that the Kings are looking to dump money. We just don't know that. They need a new arena, to move, or worst case the Maloofs need to sell the team. They're not adding long term salary here. Martin and Evans can't play together. It's value. This deal makes them a playoff team, which raises the value of the team.

[pumpfake]

good trade. tp

i'm guessing k-mart isn't happy in sac anymore, which is why the chemistry is suffering. so if sac can get a talent like iggy, it might be worth it. but since he wont be happy there either, i doubt it will help the team chemistry.

if sac just wanted a salary dump, we could deal with them directly. we could also deal with phili directly if that's all they wanted. i think iggy's a better overall player, but i'd prefer kmart to iggy on the c's, plus taking sammy back would be a big mistake for us.

what sac probably really wants with its expiring contracts are picks, and not late round picks that the celts can offer.
i don't see philli giving up a pick here either. they're giving up iggy, that's enough.

[fanofgreen]

Why would the Celtics, trade for a player who has a long history of injuries, and has only played i about 15 games this year in Kevin Martin. Along with a player who hasn't played 1 single second this season in Garcia??

I dont think it makes sense, especially with all of the injuries we have already had this season so far. The C's need healthy players in return.

[LarBrd33]

completely illogical for kings

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Why would the Celtics, trade for a player who has a long history of injuries, and has only played i about 15 games this year in Kevin Martin. Along with a player who hasn't played 1 single second this season in Garcia??

I dont think it makes sense, especially with all of the injuries we have already had this season so far. The C's need healthy players in return.

Martin's healthy. If you don't like Garcia, swap Nocioni in. I just like him better.

[GranTur]

This is basically a god trade for Philly and terrible for the Kings and Celtics.

[buellj814]

I love how in the subject line its like there is no way in hell the trade would be denied and then the trade makes absolutely no sense for the kings.

There is no way in hell the kings make the trade, they end up swapping out Martin for two worse contracts.. why would they ever do that? Iggy is a worse fit in their system than Martin is and his contract is 5 times worse makes zero sense, sorry

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This is basically a god trade for Philly and terrible for the Kings and Celtics.

It's a bad trade for the teams that get good players that fit them and a good one for the team that gets nothing? That's a new way of looking at 'em.

By the way -- welcome to the blog. Here's a tp to get you started...

[buellj814]

This is basically a god trade for Philly and terrible for the Kings and Celtics.

It's a bad trade for the teams that get good players that fit them and a good one for the team that gets nothing? That's a new way of looking at 'em.

By the way -- welcome to the blog. Here's a tp to get you started...

this is a HORRIBLE trade for the kings, they are taking the worst contracts with the trade and probably washing out on the talent it makes no sense for them to do it

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I love how in the subject line its like there is no way in hell the trade would be denied and then the trade makes absolutely no sense for the kings.

There is no way in hell the kings make the trade, they end up swapping out Martin for two worse contracts.. why would they ever do that? Iggy is a worse fit in their system than Martin is and his contract is 5 times worse makes zero sense, sorry

Actually, the worst contract in the trade belongs to Garcia (or Nocioni), which is why the Cs get Martin for an expiring contract.

You describe Iggy's contract as 5 times worse than Martin's. There's really not a substantial difference between the two, and when you consider Iggy's against Martin AND Garcia, he saves them considerably.

Despite what you claim about the Kings system, I doubt you understand it -- Andre is a better fit. If you say Martin's a better shooter, than you're missing the point -- he and Evans can't play together, because both need to be the primary shooter, making it moot. With Andre playing a distribution and defense first, scoring second role, they'll need to find better catch-and-shooting at the 1. They need this already with Martin on the team. He's gone.

Meanwhile, Delmabert is exactly what the Kings need in the middle. They want him anyway, just not straight up for Kenny Thomas. He's an expensive yet short term asset to them in the deal -- not a "bad contract".

[buellj814]

I love how in the subject line its like there is no way in hell the trade would be denied and then the trade makes absolutely no sense for the kings.

There is no way in hell the kings make the trade, they end up swapping out Martin for two worse contracts.. why would they ever do that? Iggy is a worse fit in their system than Martin is and his contract is 5 times worse makes zero sense, sorry

Actually, the worst contract in the trade belongs to Garcia (or Nocioni), which is why the Cs get Martin for an expiring contract.

You describe Iggy's contract as 5 times worse than Martin's. There's really not a substantial difference between the two, and when you consider Iggy's against Martin AND Garcia, he saves them considerably.

Despite what you claim about the Kings system, I doubt you understand it -- Andre is a better fit. If you say Martin's a better shooter, than you're missing the point -- he and Evans can't play together, because both need to be the primary shooter, making it moot. With Andre playing a distribution and defense first, scoring second role, they'll need to find better catch-and-shooting at the 1. They need this already with Martin.

Meanwhile, Delmabert is exactly what the Kings need in the middle. They want him anyway, just not straight up for Kenny Thomas. He's an expensive yet short term asset to them in the deal -- not a "bad contract".

i went to school in sac and have watched them over the years trust me they have no interest in this trade.. articles have been coming out of sac all year about how the maloofs arent adding any money this year.. Iggy is signed a year longer than martin and makes three million more than martin a year.. and dalembert makes 4 million more than garcia over the course of the two contracts... Please give me a link where it says the kings want dalembert because i have never heard that until u brought it up... And why wouldnt i understand scaramnetos system?? Martin is ten times better for westphal's offense than iggy is and its not even close

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I love how in the subject line its like there is no way in hell the trade would be denied and then the trade makes absolutely no sense for the kings.

There is no way in hell the kings make the trade, they end up swapping out Martin for two worse contracts.. why would they ever do that? Iggy is a worse fit in their system than Martin is and his contract is 5 times worse makes zero sense, sorry

Actually, the worst contract in the trade belongs to Garcia (or Nocioni), which is why the Cs get Martin for an expiring contract.

You describe Iggy's contract as 5 times worse than Martin's. There's really not a substantial difference between the two, and when you consider Iggy's against Martin AND Garcia, he saves them considerably.

Despite what you claim about the Kings system, I doubt you understand it -- Andre is a better fit. If you say Martin's a better shooter, than you're missing the point -- he and Evans can't play together, because both need to be the primary shooter, making it moot. With Andre playing a distribution and defense first, scoring second role, they'll need to find better catch-and-shooting at the 1. They need this already with Martin.

Meanwhile, Delmabert is exactly what the Kings need in the middle. They want him anyway, just not straight up for Kenny Thomas. He's an expensive yet short term asset to them in the deal -- not a "bad contract".

i went to school in sac and have watched them over the years trust me they have no interest in this trade.. articles have been coming out of sac all year about how the maloofs arent adding any money this year.. Iggy is signed a year longer than martin and makes three million more than martin a year.. and dalembert makes 4 million more than garcia over the course of the two contracts... Please give me a link where it says the kings want dalembert because i have never heard that until u brought it up... And why wouldnt i understand scaramnetos system?? Martin is ten times better for westphal's offense than iggy is and its not even close

Sorry, I won't pull links for you. They've been rumored to be interested in Delambert all year. They need a defensive presence at center. Gosh, they need any kind of center.

You're incorrect about garcia and delambert, and the "course of the two contracts". You're thinking about the cap, but they're not over it. Look at it this way -- Total value of Martin + Garcia's deals from 2010 on = $58.3mil. Total value of Iggy + Delambert's deals from 2010 on = $68.4mil.

$10mil over 5 years is not going to keep the Maloofs from this deal. Not when they give the MLE to anyone with a pulse. If they don't like the talent, fine. But what they need to do is boost the value of the franchise (i'm assuming you've been to Arco), and despite the rumors of their financial difficulties, their moves haven't proven as much. Just look at all their spending on Udrih and Garcia. And they just added Hilton Armstrong (though that didn't cost them).

Look, I get it. You don't like the deal. Point taken.

[OCsWestCeltic]

I really, really like this trade idea!

I did not think that a very 'reasonable' and 'plausable'
trade would be suggested, but any of the 3 teams involved I think would be happy with the outcome of this trade idea.

Props to the suggestion.