Trade Idea with Toronto for Bosh

[csfansince60s]

Celtics send: Ray,Perkins and Giddens
Toronto sends: Bosh,Calderon, Belinelli
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5428633

Why for us: Bosh and Rondo will be best PG/C-PF combo for years and give us a chance to win now and as a core for the future.
Belinelli has length and can shoot. Calderon, while his contract is burdensome, gives us great depth at backup PG, albeit at a cost.

Why for Toronto: They get the vet SG they need in Ray and the defensive presence in Perk. In addition, they get out from under Calderon's mistake of a contract and get something for Bosh while still making the playoffs and the extra $$ that means and still makes them competitive for the future.

Now that I'm thinking about this, maybe they'll take Perk and expiring parts for Bosh. They will have there tough defensive paint guy to compliment Bargnani and at least get something significant for Bosh. Or maybe Ray, BBD and Shelden get it done and we keep Perk, they save a lot of $$ and still possibly make the playoffs.

[PosImpos]

You know, Toronto could do worse than this trade (they could get nothing for Bosh).  But I have to think that if they turned down Bynum + expirings for Bosh, they'd definitely turn down Perk+expirings.

The problem with throwing Ray into the deal is that Toronto can't send back a decent shooting guard to replace him.  As good as Bosh is, I'm just not that confident in a starting backcourt that includes Belinelli or Jarrett Jack.

I doubt Toronto would even trade Bosh for Ray + Perk, considering how well they've been doing as a team lately.

[Brennan.Kid]

I don't think Toronto would accept this deal.

You say Ray is "the vet SG they need."  Why do they need Ray Allen?  I don't see what good Ray Allen would for them for the rest of this season, especially if they trade away Bosh and Calderon.  Also, you called the Calderon contract a mistake.  Why, because he has been injured all season?  I think he's a top 10-12 PG in the league.

I love your optimism here, but this is unrealistic. Plus we'll need Perk to cover Dwight Howard in the playoffs. HOLLER!

[csfansince60s]

I don't think Toronto would accept this deal.

You say Ray is "the vet SG they need."  Why do they need Ray Allen?  I don't see what good Ray Allen would for them for the rest of this season, especially if they trade away Bosh and Calderon.  Also, you called the Calderon contract a mistake.  Why, because he has been injured all season?  I think he's a top 10-12 PG in the league.

I love your optimism here, but this is unrealistic. Plus we'll need Perk to cover Dwight Howard in the playoffs. HOLLER!

Sheed and Baby will do fine on Howard, and Bosh will cause bigger match up problems for Magic, Hawks and Cavs.

And from SB Nation Trade breakdown on the front page on Toronto:

"they could use a veteran shooting guard, but they don't really have the assets to make it happen. They could try to move Jose Calderon, who's now coming off the bench, but his contract is pretty big and teams don't seeminterested"

More importantly, I can't see them letting Bosh go for nothing.

[GreenFaith1819]

And who would play Center for us, again?

[csfansince60s]

And who would play Center for us, again?

Bosh/Sheed/Baby depending on the matchups. I'll take either one of those as a post presence over Bargnani, with whom he is currently paired. A Bosh/KG frontcourt is more of a matchup problem for other teams than for us.

[GreenFaith1819]

And who would play Center for us, again?

Bosh/Sheed/Baby depending on the matchups. I'll take either one of those as a post presence over Bargnani, with whom he is currently paired. A Bosh/KG frontcourt is more of a matchup problem for other teams than for us.

Post Presence and Bosh?

And who is the Interior Defender? Sheed I can understand in stretches..Glen maybe not, even though Glen is in better shape this year I think

[csfansince60s]

And who would play Center for us, again?

Bosh/Sheed/Baby depending on the matchups. I'll take either one of those as a post presence over Bargnani, with whom he is currently paired. A Bosh/KG frontcourt is more of a matchup problem for other teams than for us.

Post Presence and Bosh?

And who is the Interior Defender? Sheed I can understand in stretches..Glen maybe not, even though Glen is in better shape this year I think

Again, depending on the matchup, any of those 3 are far better post defenders than Bargnani. Bosh hit the weights hard this past summer and has grown into even more of a force down low. Any combination of KG/Bosh/Sheed/Davis should serve us well depending on whose on the court against us.

[PosImpos]

Bosh isn't really of a center but I agree KG + Bosh would be a dominant front court even if it's not as conventionally solid as our current front court setup.

I just don't think we get enough back to make up for giving up Ray Allen on the wing.

Toronto would only consider this, in any case, if they were doing really badly as a team and had no chance of making the playoffs.  That's not the case, even though it's pretty obvious Bosh won't be there next year.

[GreenFaith1819]

And who would play Center for us, again?

Bosh/Sheed/Baby depending on the matchups. I'll take either one of those as a post presence over Bargnani, with whom he is currently paired. A Bosh/KG frontcourt is more of a matchup problem for other teams than for us.

Post Presence and Bosh?

And who is the Interior Defender? Sheed I can understand in stretches..Glen maybe not, even though Glen is in better shape this year I think

Again, depending on the matchup, any of those 3 are far better post defenders than Bargnani. Bosh hit the weights hard this past summer and has grown into even more of a force down low. Any combination of KG/Bosh/Sheed/Davis should serve us well depending on whose on the court against us.

You give a decent argument...I just can't see Bosh as being an intimidator down low, defensively. He is still young and I believe he could learn, though..especially under Clifford Ray.

I think that Dwight would demolish Bosh in a 7 game series, though..during the Christmas game, the only Big we had that slowed down Dwight was Perk..Dwight just backed Shelden down. And KG would only be good against Dwight in stretches as well.

Sheed did play well in stretches against Dwight, but if he had to play extended minutes against him I don't think it would be good.

Glen could maybe keep Dwight out of his sweet spot? I don't know..

[Change]

Nice trade idea, TP. It all depends on Bosh, if he requests a trade this is doable. Champion is still not guaranteed. And you lose alot to get Bosh.

[csfansince60s]

And who would play Center for us, again?

Bosh/Sheed/Baby depending on the matchups. I'll take either one of those as a post presence over Bargnani, with whom he is currently paired. A Bosh/KG frontcourt is more of a matchup problem for other teams than for us.

Post Presence and Bosh?

And who is the Interior Defender? Sheed I can understand in stretches..Glen maybe not, even though Glen is in better shape this year I think

Again, depending on the matchup, any of those 3 are far better post defenders than Bargnani. Bosh hit the weights hard this past summer and has grown into even more of a force down low. Any combination of KG/Bosh/Sheed/Davis should serve us well depending on whose on the court against us.

You give a decent argument...I just can't see Bosh as being an intimidator down low, defensively. He is still young and I believe he could learn, though..especially under Clifford Ray.

I think that Dwight would demolish Bosh in a 7 game series, though..during the Christmas game, the only Big we had that slowed down Dwight was Perk..Dwight just backed Shelden down. And KG would only be good against Dwight in stretches as well.

Sheed did play well in stretches against Dwight, but if he had to play extended minutes against him I don't think it would be good.

Glen could maybe keep Dwight out of his sweet spot? I don't know..

I completely understand your concerns about our defending Howard in a (hopefully less than) 7 game series. I think we would have to do it by committee:Sheed, Baby, Bosh: giving him different looks and using different strategies. Against our other EC rivals and with anyone out west, I think we're ok.
I do understand your concern about the beast that is Dwight Howard, though.

[csfansince60s]

Nice trade idea, TP. It all depends on Bosh, if he requests a trade this is doable. Champion is still not guaranteed. And you lose alot to get Bosh.

Thanks, Change. I agree that with a major trade like this, a championship is not guaranteed. All the new parts have to mesh both on and off the court. Calderon's bad blood history against us could be a minor concern and we would need some production from Belinelli (or Jack if he was substituted), but the + difference in what Bosh would provide in scoring over Perk and his equal in rebounding, I think could make up for it.

[Moranis]

If we are involved in a Bosh trade it will be much more likely as a third team involved that can provide some salary that another team can't. 

This works

Blake, Outlaw, Webster, J. Howard to Boston
Ray Allen, Batum, Por 1st to Toronto
Bosh, Belinelli to Portland

Boston buys out Howard allowing him to return to Portland.

[PosImpos]

If we are involved in a Bosh trade it will be much more likely as a third team involved that can provide some salary that another team can't. 

This works

Blake, Outlaw, Webster, J. Howard to Boston
Ray Allen, Batum, Por 1st to Toronto
Bosh, Belinelli to Portland

Boston buys out Howard allowing him to return to Portland.

That's a very interesting idea.  I think I'd have to be convinced that we'd be able to re-sign Travis Outlaw, though.  I'm not sure Martell Webster could really fill Ray's shoes that well, although he played pretty well when he was filling in for Brandon Roy this past month.

I doubt that trade would happen just because Portland tends to way overvalue their young guys and their picks.  Toronto also wants the added revenue that comes with making the playoffs, and they don't get that unless they hold onto Bosh for the rest of the season.

Portland also loses all of its wings and only gets back Belinelli in return.  Really doubt they'd do it, even to get Bosh.  Bosh + LMA probably isn't that great of a combo (they're both 'soft').