Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?

[PLamb]

What's your point

All I am saying is that players should be judged as players not athletes

Would you rather have a team of 12 Tony Allens or 12 Shane Battiers

Allen is unquestionably the better athlete relative to his position, you want a team of 12 Tony's or 12 Shanes

How about a team of 12 Glen Davis's or 12 Sean Williams

None of them.  I want to keep my GM job.  



You want us to compare your team to Larry Bird.  


But you are lead by a guy that was a joke the last time he was in NY (last season)  


You do not have the young talent the current Knick's team has.

I don't even know if you have the cap space next year the current Knicks have.  

And we are suppose to buy this team as a playoff team?

Who said to compare my team to Larry Bird

I was using that analogy as a way to compare athletes versus players

Is that really what you got out of that

That's an absurd thing to get out of what I said


The current Knicks have young talent?
Who?
Lee? He's gone they will be renouncing him to sign free agents
Gallinari? He's 6'11" and so soft he has to play SG and he can't spell defense never mind play it
Chandler? He's okay
Hill? Please
Douglas? Lester Hudson has a better NBA future
Landry? You mean JR Giddens Jr

And who cares about cap flexibility or the future

This is a team for right now to compare in a hypothetical situation to see if you could build a team better than the team that is currently in place

Do I want you to believe that this team could win enough games to make the playoffs versus other teams being put together? I could care less

It's not a competition

I like my team

I think they could win 50 games

And I think they could make the playoffs in this format

[Truck Lewis]

Okay now the New Jersey Nheyts are starting to really shape out. This is the team as I envisioned it..mostly.

Devin Harris/Will Bynum
Thabo Sefelosha/Wes Matthews
Omri Casspi/Dorrell Wright
Luis Scola/Ersan Ilyasova/Darius Songaila
Brook Lopez

Rational behind trading Lee and 9(1) for Scola and 8(11)

David Lee is a good option, but I wanted a more traditional 4. I started out with Nene, then went to Lee, and now I'm at Scola. Scola isn't the rebounding monster Lee is, but he's a natural 4, and he's much the same type of player the rest of my boys are. He's a banger, he's physical. He takes charges, he rebounds, and he's got some sweet post moves. Beyond that he's got a legitimate midrange jumper where Lee's was inconsistent at best. He'll allow Lopez room to operate if he needs it, and on top of that he can still bang in the post for buckets if need be. I'd say he's as good or better a defender as Lee.

Still have 2 picks next round and I'm done.

i agree that Scola is a better fit than Lee.  He will fit in well in NJ.  Like I said i think Matthews fits with you too just like Thorton fits me.  You need the slasher, i need a shooter. 

[wdleehi]

What's your point

All I am saying is that players should be judged as players not athletes

Would you rather have a team of 12 Tony Allens or 12 Shane Battiers

Allen is unquestionably the better athlete relative to his position, you want a team of 12 Tony's or 12 Shanes

How about a team of 12 Glen Davis's or 12 Sean Williams

None of them.  I want to keep my GM job.  



You want us to compare your team to Larry Bird.  


But you are lead by a guy that was a joke the last time he was in NY (last season)  


You do not have the young talent the current Knick's team has.

I don't even know if you have the cap space next year the current Knicks have.  

And we are suppose to buy this team as a playoff team?

Who said to compare my team to Larry Bird

I was using that analogy as a way to compare athletes versus players

Is that really what you got out of that

That's an absurd thing to get out of what I said


The current Knicks have young talent?
Who?
Lee? He's gone they will be renouncing him to sign free agents
Gallinari? He's 6'11" and so soft he has to play SG and he can't spell defense never mind play it
Chandler? He's okay
Hill? Please
Douglas? Lester Hudson has a better NBA future
Landry? You mean JR Giddens Jr

And who cares about cap flexibility or the future

This is a team for right now to compare in a hypothetical situation to see if you could build a team better than the team that is currently in place

Do I want you to believe that this team could win enough games to make the playoffs versus other teams being put together? I could care less

It's not a competition

I like my team

I think they could win 50 games

And I think they could make the playoffs in this format

And I would take the Knicsk team as it is now.  You know, the Knicks team that was so happy to rid themselves of Randolph.  The Knicks team positioning itself to add FA.  

Your Knick team looks more of the Knicks of old.  Old, injury prone and knuckleheaded.  Sure, there are some nice young players, but they are just waiting to escape.  

[wdleehi]

Okay now the New Jersey Nheyts are starting to really shape out. This is the team as I envisioned it..mostly.

Devin Harris/Will Bynum
Thabo Sefelosha/Wes Matthews
Omri Casspi/Dorrell Wright
Luis Scola/Ersan Ilyasova/Darius Songaila
Brook Lopez

Rational behind trading Lee and 9(1) for Scola and 8(11)

David Lee is a good option, but I wanted a more traditional 4. I started out with Nene, then went to Lee, and now I'm at Scola. Scola isn't the rebounding monster Lee is, but he's a natural 4, and he's much the same type of player the rest of my boys are. He's a banger, he's physical. He takes charges, he rebounds, and he's got some sweet post moves. Beyond that he's got a legitimate midrange jumper where Lee's was inconsistent at best. He'll allow Lopez room to operate if he needs it, and on top of that he can still bang in the post for buckets if need be. I'd say he's as good or better a defender as Lee.

Still have 2 picks next round and I'm done.

I like the team.  Harris and Scola add playoff experience.


Still need a go to scorer. 

[PLamb]

Okay now the New Jersey Nheyts are starting to really shape out. This is the team as I envisioned it..mostly.

Devin Harris/Will Bynum
Thabo Sefelosha/Wes Matthews
Omri Casspi/Dorrell Wright
Luis Scola/Ersan Ilyasova/Darius Songaila
Brook Lopez

Rational behind trading Lee and 9(1) for Scola and 8(11)

David Lee is a good option, but I wanted a more traditional 4. I started out with Nene, then went to Lee, and now I'm at Scola. Scola isn't the rebounding monster Lee is, but he's a natural 4, and he's much the same type of player the rest of my boys are. He's a banger, he's physical. He takes charges, he rebounds, and he's got some sweet post moves. Beyond that he's got a legitimate midrange jumper where Lee's was inconsistent at best. He'll allow Lopez room to operate if he needs it, and on top of that he can still bang in the post for buckets if need be. I'd say he's as good or better a defender as Lee.

Still have 2 picks next round and I'm done.

I never did understand our trade and your desire for Lee

Scola is a great PF and really nice fit alongside Lopez where I just never saw the fit there with Lee

Some solid young role players there as well

[Atzar]

Dominique and Malone didn't win because one or two players don't make a championship team, not because they're great athletes and great athletes don't win.  It really had nothing to do with their individual athleticism - I could easily make a counter-argument about Jordan, Hakeem, and Kobe and it would be just as flawed.

You're acting like I'm saying your team isn't athletic and therefore sucks.  I said no such thing.  Athleticism isn't the only predictor of success, but it's also not meaningless.  

[Redz]

thank god we dont have a debate place here

Dwight Howard Sux and Rashard Lewis is overrated. Bring it on!

I'll only partake in a debate competition thread if I am allowed to call my opponent  poop related terms.

[PLamb]

What's your point

All I am saying is that players should be judged as players not athletes

Would you rather have a team of 12 Tony Allens or 12 Shane Battiers

Allen is unquestionably the better athlete relative to his position, you want a team of 12 Tony's or 12 Shanes

How about a team of 12 Glen Davis's or 12 Sean Williams

None of them.  I want to keep my GM job.  



You want us to compare your team to Larry Bird.  


But you are lead by a guy that was a joke the last time he was in NY (last season)  


You do not have the young talent the current Knick's team has.

I don't even know if you have the cap space next year the current Knicks have.  

And we are suppose to buy this team as a playoff team?

Who said to compare my team to Larry Bird

I was using that analogy as a way to compare athletes versus players

Is that really what you got out of that

That's an absurd thing to get out of what I said


The current Knicks have young talent?
Who?
Lee? He's gone they will be renouncing him to sign free agents
Gallinari? He's 6'11" and so soft he has to play SG and he can't spell defense never mind play it
Chandler? He's okay
Hill? Please
Douglas? Lester Hudson has a better NBA future
Landry? You mean JR Giddens Jr

And who cares about cap flexibility or the future

This is a team for right now to compare in a hypothetical situation to see if you could build a team better than the team that is currently in place

Do I want you to believe that this team could win enough games to make the playoffs versus other teams being put together? I could care less

It's not a competition

I like my team

I think they could win 50 games

And I think they could make the playoffs in this format

And I would take the Knicsk team as it is now.  You know, the Knicks team that was so happy to rid themselves of Randolph.  The Knicks team positioning itself to add FA.  

Your Knick team looks more of the Knicks of old.  Old, injury prone and knuckleheaded.  Sure, there are some nice young players, but they are just waiting to escape.  

Whatever

One man's opinion and an opinion I don't think is that great anyway

[Who]

Okay now the New Jersey Nheyts are starting to really shape out. This is the team as I envisioned it..mostly.

Devin Harris/Will Bynum
Thabo Sefelosha/Wes Matthews
Omri Casspi/Dorrell Wright
Luis Scola/Ersan Ilyasova/Darius Songaila
Brook Lopez

Rational behind trading Lee and 9(1) for Scola and 8(11)

David Lee is a good option, but I wanted a more traditional 4. I started out with Nene, then went to Lee, and now I'm at Scola. Scola isn't the rebounding monster Lee is, but he's a natural 4, and he's much the same type of player the rest of my boys are. He's a banger, he's physical. He takes charges, he rebounds, and he's got some sweet post moves. Beyond that he's got a legitimate midrange jumper where Lee's was inconsistent at best. He'll allow Lopez room to operate if he needs it, and on top of that he can still bang in the post for buckets if need be. I'd say he's as good or better a defender as Lee.

Still have 2 picks next round and I'm done.

I thought your team was best off with Nene. The team would have benefited greatly from his defensive quality.

Luis Scola is a nice addition though. Scola and Lopez give the Nets a very impressive 1-2 punch in the paint. The two best players on the team. Ersan Ilyasova is an excellent offensive complement to either big man also. That's a strong big man rotation. Songaila cleaning up the garbage minutes.

[wdleehi]

What's your point

All I am saying is that players should be judged as players not athletes

Would you rather have a team of 12 Tony Allens or 12 Shane Battiers

Allen is unquestionably the better athlete relative to his position, you want a team of 12 Tony's or 12 Shanes

How about a team of 12 Glen Davis's or 12 Sean Williams

None of them.  I want to keep my GM job.  



You want us to compare your team to Larry Bird.  


But you are lead by a guy that was a joke the last time he was in NY (last season)  


You do not have the young talent the current Knick's team has.

I don't even know if you have the cap space next year the current Knicks have.  

And we are suppose to buy this team as a playoff team?

Who said to compare my team to Larry Bird

I was using that analogy as a way to compare athletes versus players

Is that really what you got out of that

That's an absurd thing to get out of what I said


The current Knicks have young talent?
Who?
Lee? He's gone they will be renouncing him to sign free agents
Gallinari? He's 6'11" and so soft he has to play SG and he can't spell defense never mind play it
Chandler? He's okay
Hill? Please
Douglas? Lester Hudson has a better NBA future
Landry? You mean JR Giddens Jr

And who cares about cap flexibility or the future

This is a team for right now to compare in a hypothetical situation to see if you could build a team better than the team that is currently in place

Do I want you to believe that this team could win enough games to make the playoffs versus other teams being put together? I could care less

It's not a competition

I like my team

I think they could win 50 games

And I think they could make the playoffs in this format

And I would take the Knicsk team as it is now.  You know, the Knicks team that was so happy to rid themselves of Randolph.  The Knicks team positioning itself to add FA.  

Your Knick team looks more of the Knicks of old.  Old, injury prone and knuckleheaded.  Sure, there are some nice young players, but they are just waiting to escape.  

Whatever

One man's opinion and an opinion I don't think is that great anyway

Then why respond so much?

Don't ask for opinions and expect them all to gush over what you did.

[Roy Hobbs]

Ah, yes.  This is starting to feel more like the CB drafts that I know.



Simmer down, guys.  It's only a game, and one without winners or losers.

[indeedproceed]

Okay now the New Jersey Nheyts are starting to really shape out. This is the team as I envisioned it..mostly.

Devin Harris/Will Bynum
Thabo Sefelosha/Wes Matthews
Omri Casspi/Dorrell Wright
Luis Scola/Ersan Ilyasova/Darius Songaila
Brook Lopez

Rational behind trading Lee and 9(1) for Scola and 8(11)

David Lee is a good option, but I wanted a more traditional 4. I started out with Nene, then went to Lee, and now I'm at Scola. Scola isn't the rebounding monster Lee is, but he's a natural 4, and he's much the same type of player the rest of my boys are. He's a banger, he's physical. He takes charges, he rebounds, and he's got some sweet post moves. Beyond that he's got a legitimate midrange jumper where Lee's was inconsistent at best. He'll allow Lopez room to operate if he needs it, and on top of that he can still bang in the post for buckets if need be. I'd say he's as good or better a defender as Lee.

Still have 2 picks next round and I'm done.

I like the team.  Harris and Scola add playoff experience.


Still need a go to scorer. 

And alas, my pink bunny friend, I fear I will not find him. There are not many "go to scorers" in the league I'd be willing to sacrifice my blue collar team ideal for. Carmelo Anthony...Brandon Roy...Kevin Durant...Kobe..LeBron..and of course, Lamar Odom.

But all those guys will cost a fortune. Especially Lamar Odom.

All of my top 8 guys, sans Thabo, have proven they can score well in teh NBA. If i average all my average PPG right now, I end up somewhere around 111. I know that because I just spent 10 mins doing a spread sheet. Weird? Sure.

ANd I know that 111 won't hold up. I'm counting on a team that will surprise big fish some nights, and once and a while they'll get eaten. Mostly though they'll bring effort when other teams don't.

Honestly the biggest lynchpin on my team is whether or not Devin Harris returns to form from last season. If that happens, I like my odds.

[PLamb]

Dominique and Malone didn't win because one or two players don't make a championship team, not because they're great athletes and great athletes don't win.  It really had nothing to do with their individual athleticism - I could easily make a counter-argument about Jordan, Hakeem, and Kobe and it would be just as flawed.

You're acting like I'm saying your team isn't athletic and therefore sucks.  I said no such thing.  Athleticism isn't the only predictor of success, but it's also not meaningless.  

You are misunderstanding me

What I am saying is that many, many people nowadays seem to stress athleticism over talent

I did my rant on that because I just don't get it

You are right, there are great athletes that are great players and champions but there are also great players and champions that weren't super top level athletes

I don't think that lack of top level athleticism for a team means the team isn't good

I think it means that in comparison they just aren't as athletic as some and you were being critical of my team because of it's athleticism

Fair enough critique, they aren't as athletic as some

It doesn't mean they aren't good

That's all I was trying to get across

[Edgar]

thank god we dont have a debate place here

Dwight Howard Sux and Rashard Lewis is overrated. Bring it on!

I'll only partake in a debate competition thread if I am allowed to call my opponent  poop related terms.

Rashard Lewis killed the celtics twice this year
and Dwight Howard beats gerald green.....


please dont make me start

[wdleehi]

Okay now the New Jersey Nheyts are starting to really shape out. This is the team as I envisioned it..mostly.

Devin Harris/Will Bynum
Thabo Sefelosha/Wes Matthews
Omri Casspi/Dorrell Wright
Luis Scola/Ersan Ilyasova/Darius Songaila
Brook Lopez

Rational behind trading Lee and 9(1) for Scola and 8(11)

David Lee is a good option, but I wanted a more traditional 4. I started out with Nene, then went to Lee, and now I'm at Scola. Scola isn't the rebounding monster Lee is, but he's a natural 4, and he's much the same type of player the rest of my boys are. He's a banger, he's physical. He takes charges, he rebounds, and he's got some sweet post moves. Beyond that he's got a legitimate midrange jumper where Lee's was inconsistent at best. He'll allow Lopez room to operate if he needs it, and on top of that he can still bang in the post for buckets if need be. I'd say he's as good or better a defender as Lee.

Still have 2 picks next round and I'm done.

I like the team.  Harris and Scola add playoff experience.


Still need a go to scorer. 

And alas, my pink bunny friend, I fear I will not find him. There are not many "go to scorers" in the league I'd be willing to sacrifice my blue collar team ideal for. Carmelo Anthony...Brandon Roy...Kevin Durant...Kobe..LeBron..and of course, Lamar Odom.

But all those guys will cost a fortune. Especially Lamar Odom.

All of my top 8 guys, sans Thabo, have proven they can score well in teh NBA. If i average all my average PPG right now, I end up somewhere around 111. I know that because I just spent 10 mins doing a spread sheet. Weird? Sure.

ANd I know that 111 won't hold up. I'm counting on a team that will surprise big fish some nights, and once and a while they'll get eaten. Mostly though they'll bring effort when other teams don't.

Honestly the biggest lynchpin on my team is whether or not Devin Harris returns to form from last season. If that happens, I like my odds.

Oh, I understand.  This is probably a long term goal.


Or a big Sign and Trade for Lebron (once you move your team accross the river)