Ray Allen

[ScoobyDoo]

I'd like to give Ray some Kudos.

1. Doc runs him into the ground

2. No 34, going on 35 year old off guard should be playing 38-40 minutes a night, ever. It's just not smart and I don't care what kind of athlete he is. It's not a good long term investment

3. But Ray never complains

4. You know his legs are worked but he goes out every night, barely complains, and just tries to do his best and does it with class.

5. He just keeps doing his job like a true pro every night, like the sun coming up in the morning.

How much is that worth?

Also, I really hope:

1. When Marquis comes back, Doc pulls Ray's minutes back and let's him re-charge fully

2. Doc keeps his minutes down and keeps Ray 100% fresh heading into the playoffs.

I think ray still has it but I think it's too much to expect to have lift and accuracy on his shot when you're playing him 38+ a night chasing young offs all over the court night after night.

Ray goes out like a good soldier every night becasue he's such a pro.

But give the guy a break, be smart with his minutes and he'll probably give you that 18-20+ a night still.

Thanks Ray, for the unrelenting effort.

[vinnie]

I really like Ray, but why the hell should a guy making $19 million a year complain about anything?

[ScoobyDoo]

I knew I'd get bitten for putting it that way on that one...

And you are right, he shouldn't.

I guess my point was even though Doc really loads up Ray with minutes, he just exibits a kind of quiet relentlessness, no matter if it's going good or bad for him ( bad right now) and he just keeps working every day. I never get the sense Ray is mailing it in.

Better way to have put it was giving him kudos for exemplifying what it means to be a consumate pro. It's fun to watch. Total team guy.

[Fan from VT]

To quibble, Doc's usual reason for playing Ray too much is that Ray asked to play too much. Doc needs to say "No" but of course Ray isn't going to complain about playing too much...he's asking to!

[Ersatz]

I'd like to give Ray some Kudos.

Thanks Ray, for the unrelenting effort.

Ray is of course worthy of everyone's respect. But the fact is that right now he's just killing his team. Tony Allen is the superior player right now.

That doesn't mean I want him traded. I still have hope that he'll get it together in time for the playoffs. But he needs to play few minutes until he can prove he's not damaging his team when he does.

[ScoobyDoo]

I thinkf or Ray to play like we expect, he has to be generally well rested. I have a hard time buying that great athletes need run to stay conditioned.

From 20-30 or 32, maybe.

At 34+, I don't buy it. They need solid minutes but a lighter load overall to perform in those slightly decreased minutes the way they used to perform in their prime for 38-40+ minutes a night.

It's pretty basic. Get Ray more rested he'll start lighting it up again.

[BballTim]

I really like Ray, but why the hell should a guy making $19 million a year complain about anything?

  Hey, those guys have families to feed, you know.

[looseball]

I'd like to give Ray some Kudos.

Thanks Ray, for the unrelenting effort.

Ray is of course worthy of everyone's respect. But the fact is that right now he's just killing his team. Tony Allen is the superior player right now.

I think starting Tony Allen, and having Ray come in as 6th man, would give this team a shot in the arm.

[Evantime34]

I'd like to give Ray some Kudos.

Thanks Ray, for the unrelenting effort.

Ray is of course worthy of everyone's respect. But the fact is that right now he's just killing his team. Tony Allen is the superior player right now.

I think starting Tony Allen, and having Ray come in as 6th man, would give this team a shot in the arm.

I agree, but Doc would probably end up bringing Ray in and still have him play 40 minutes.
Hopefully once Marquis comes back none of the starters will see time with the second unit (with Rondo occasionally being the exception).

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Someone posted Ray's stats in another thread that were broken down into back to backs, one day's rest, two and then 3 days rest.  There was a remarkable difference.  When rested, Ray is still among the best around...

Doc, are you there?

[BballTim]

Someone posted Ray's stats in another thread that were broken down into back to backs, one day's rest, two and then 3 days rest.  There was a remarkable difference.  When rested, Ray is still among the best around...

Doc, are you there?

  The only problem with that is all the one day's rest games that will be in the playoffs.

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Someone posted Ray's stats in another thread that were broken down into back to backs, one day's rest, two and then 3 days rest.  There was a remarkable difference.  When rested, Ray is still among the best around...

Doc, are you there?

  The only problem with that is all the one day's rest games that will be in the playoffs.

Very true.  After seeing the numbers, though, I was more convinced that it is so painfully obvious that his production declines perpendicularly with heavy minutes, rather than age destroying his game altogether (though he looks like he can't turn the corner on the pick and roll anymore). 

I think the numbers prove, more importantly, that Doc is not helping the team by playing him so much.  And he does have a choice.

[Drucci]

Someone posted Ray's stats in another thread that were broken down into back to backs, one day's rest, two and then 3 days rest.  There was a remarkable difference.  When rested, Ray is still among the best around...

Doc, are you there?

  The only problem with that is all the one day's rest games that will be in the playoffs.

Here are the stats about Ray's production comparison between some days of rest :

By the way, here are some very interesting (and overlooked) stats that show how Ray's game is affected by Doc overplaying him.

Sure, Doc has nothing to do with days of rest, but it's obvious that Ray plays better when he has a few days off, and Doc playing him 40 minutes every night doesn't help Ray for the next game(s) :

0 Days Rest  (back to back) :    9 games  41%FG  26%3FG  76%FT 15 points

1 Day Rest 24 games 44%FG 34%3FG 91%FT 15 points

2 Days Rest 5 games 49%FG 33%3FG 87%FT 19 points

3 Days Rest 6 games 55%FG 44%3FG 100%FT 17 points

3+ Days Rest 1 game 31%FG 51%3FG 80%FT 16 points

Age is catching up with Ray when he has to play a lot of games in a short amount of time but the stats show how efficient he is when he has a lot of rest. He is still a killer.

Fortunately, in the playoffs, you have 2 days rest between each game so it will only make Ray more efficient.

With a stretch of 3 games in 4 days you can understand why Ray struggled mightily against Atlanta and L.A (while being brilliant against Orlando, by the way).

It's just another reason to keep Ray in my opinion. Doc is the biggest culprit : you can't blame Ray for aging but you can blame Doc for overplaying him. Even when Marquis will be back I'm sure he will keep overplaying Ray...

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Someone posted Ray's stats in another thread that were broken down into back to backs, one day's rest, two and then 3 days rest.  There was a remarkable difference.  When rested, Ray is still among the best around...

Doc, are you there?

  The only problem with that is all the one day's rest games that will be in the playoffs.

Here are the stats about Ray's production comparison between some days of rest :

By the way, here are some very interesting (and overlooked) stats that show how Ray's game is affected by Doc overplaying him.

Sure, Doc has nothing to do with days of rest, but it's obvious that Ray plays better when he has a few days off, and Doc playing him 40 minutes every night doesn't help Ray for the next game(s) :

0 Days Rest  (back to back) :    9 games  41%FG  26%3FG  76%FT 15 points

1 Day Rest 24 games 44%FG 34%3FG 91%FT 15 points

2 Days Rest 5 games 49%FG 33%3FG 87%FT 19 points

3 Days Rest 6 games 55%FG 44%3FG 100%FT 17 points

3+ Days Rest 1 game 31%FG 51%3FG 80%FT 16 points

Age is catching up with Ray when he has to play a lot of games in a short amount of time but the stats show how efficient he is when he has a lot of rest. He is still a killer.

Fortunately, in the playoffs, you have 2 days rest between each game so it will only make Ray more efficient.

With a stretch of 3 games in 4 days you can understand why Ray struggled mightily against Atlanta and L.A (while being brilliant against Orlando, by the way).

It's just another reason to keep Ray in my opinion. Doc is the biggest culprit : you can't blame Ray for aging but you can blame Doc for overplaying him. Even when Marquis will be back I'm sure he will keep overplaying Ray...

Thanks, Drucci.  Enjoy a TP on me.

I think these numbers tell us a lot more about Ray at this point in his career, and how to get the best production from him, than the more broad stats (like eFG%--sorry Roy).

Unfortuatly, it also puts Doc a little higher on my crap list...

[BballTim]

Someone posted Ray's stats in another thread that were broken down into back to backs, one day's rest, two and then 3 days rest.  There was a remarkable difference.  When rested, Ray is still among the best around...

Doc, are you there?

  The only problem with that is all the one day's rest games that will be in the playoffs.

Here are the stats about Ray's production comparison between some days of rest :

By the way, here are some very interesting (and overlooked) stats that show how Ray's game is affected by Doc overplaying him.

Sure, Doc has nothing to do with days of rest, but it's obvious that Ray plays better when he has a few days off, and Doc playing him 40 minutes every night doesn't help Ray for the next game(s) :

0 Days Rest  (back to back) :    9 games  41%FG  26%3FG  76%FT 15 points

1 Day Rest 24 games 44%FG 34%3FG 91%FT 15 points

2 Days Rest 5 games 49%FG 33%3FG 87%FT 19 points

3 Days Rest 6 games 55%FG 44%3FG 100%FT 17 points

3+ Days Rest 1 game 31%FG 51%3FG 80%FT 16 points

Age is catching up with Ray when he has to play a lot of games in a short amount of time but the stats show how efficient he is when he has a lot of rest. He is still a killer.

Fortunately, in the playoffs, you have 2 days rest between each game so it will only make Ray more efficient.

With a stretch of 3 games in 4 days you can understand why Ray struggled mightily against Atlanta and L.A (while being brilliant against Orlando, by the way).

It's just another reason to keep Ray in my opinion. Doc is the biggest culprit : you can't blame Ray for aging but you can blame Doc for overplaying him. Even when Marquis will be back I'm sure he will keep overplaying Ray...

  First of all it's not necessarily true that you'll have 2 days rest between games. Last year, after the 1st game, we probably had 2 days rest once and 1 days rest 12 times. But winning in 4-5 games might help. Secondly, I don't know that you can automatically assume it's a minutes thing. Will Ray's numbers improve in back to back games if he plays 30 minutes instead of 38 or will the resultss be similar?