Way too much Pierce Love

[CbrewEra]

No one can ever say too much love for The Truth.  If i went to a rival city from where I grew up, playing on the biggest stage, and I got stabbed in that city?? I woulda been outta there in a heart beat!  We're so lucky this guy has stuck with us, through all the terrible management moves, and everything he's been through.

[crownsy]

respectfully disagree .  its not thinly veiled, I corrected your misspeak making up sentences not in my opinion post.  call it how u see it--free country.. 

ok, lets go there.

1.

Pierce stat numbers are hot this year, but he aint playing on the truth level

First line in your post. perhaps truth level to you means something like "better than ever" to me, it means, having a typical paul pierce season.

I disagreed that he was not having a very good season. I disagreed that he was not "hot" this year.

Is the above in your post?

2.

but his game is taking a hit because the offense is awful

I disagreed that his game has taken a hit. is the above in your post?


somehow you took the fact that i didn't agree with your assessment of paul's season to mean i was some kind of, to quote felger "ray allen ball washer" and responded that i lack reading comprehension.

I can disagree with elements of your post while getting the fact that you don't agree paul has gotten to much love, and agree with you. no agenda was involved.

[rayallen1934]

Pierce stat numbers are hot this year, but he aint playing on the truth level....he gets vet saavy points for being more perimeter efficient when its clear he lost a step, but his game is taking a hit because the offense is awful and forcin' it to him and ray ray to bail em out.  So i can't blame Paul for bein man enough to make a play when doc tells the team "Paul is the closer, Ray takes the big shots"...  Now I will continue to critisize ray-ray when he continues to play below his ability<not potential> He's stubborn as a mule...refuses to focus on midrange or higher percentage shots ....take it to hole, facilitate offense.  He's in denial that his game has declined, but refuses to maximize the skill he has left.  and doc's  complicitness in lettin ray do his thing is unfortunate for the great jesus shuttlesworth allen, one of the best shooters the game has seen in his day.

What evidence is there that Paul has lost a step? I still see him consistently getting in the paint.He is getting to the line as much as he did in 08 and last year.

The only thing Pierce has lost since he came in the league is his hops which he still  unveils every now and then. Remember this happened THIS year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV4UL8lGP_w

Ray Allen at 34 is still gettin it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7P6Pi3YyM

[dark_lord]

Which is understandable...And yea i back up Ray Allen because im a Ray Allen fan.

BUT...

What hasnt come out besides Ray Allen's decline is Paul Pierce's...Hes 32 , Ray is 34 , Pierce is already showing signs up decline, by the time he is 34 who knows how bad of shape he will be.

This broken foot might be the end of the line for Ray Allen which seems like everyone wants to be traded now. To me it finally gives an opportunity to get in a REAL RYTHYM not just  waiting on the corner to even get a play called for him.

Ive had enough of the Paul Pierce ISOLATION and his countless turnovers, im tired of him using the clock wrong and waiting 3 seconds before he even makes a move, only to throw up a horrid shot or turn it over.

Ray Allen has been slumping...But Paul Pierce has not been that much better this year. He is lucky hes shooting his three pointers at a sick rate or else this would be a pretty lackluster year for him.

I like Paul Pierce and hes still a go to guy...but hes almost done, hes got two years on Ray, but is not even in the same league in terms of taking care of his body.

I hope Ray does not get traded, and gets to show that he can still pour in points given the chance. We all know Ray takes just as much shots as Pierce about 12 or 13, but to me Ray gets lost way too much in the offense and he gets tuned out for long stretches. Ray Allen can still score tons of points, but hopefully Doc Rivers doesnt run him into the ground. It baffles me to see a 34 year old Ray Allen playing insane amount of minutes, furthermore not being correctly integrated into the offense when he is in their.

[jadams5214]

Just an interesting stat to add ---

C's scored over 100 points tonight for the first time in 9 games, and it's in a game that Pierce sat out. 

Not saying at all that the Celtics are better without Pierce but the ball movement is definitely better.  It forces everyone to be involved with Rondo dominating the ball instead of dumping it into Pierce and everyone just standing around watching.  Interesting also was the increased offensive rebounds.  Again I think it ties into the ball movement and everyone getting involved instead of just waiting for Pierce to go one on one before the shot clock expires.

Hope Pierce was paying attention tonight and the C's can mesh better offensively when he returns...

[Fafnir]

Just an interesting stat to add ---

C's scored over 100 points tonight for the first time in 9 games, and it's in a game that Pierce sat out. 

Not saying at all that the Celtics are better without Pierce but the ball movement is definitely better.  It forces everyone to be involved with Rondo dominating the ball instead of dumping it into Pierce and everyone just standing around watching.  Interesting also was the increased offensive rebounds.  Again I think it ties into the ball movement and everyone getting involved instead of just waiting for Pierce to go one on one before the shot clock expires.

Hope Pierce was paying attention tonight and the C's can mesh better offensively when he returns...

One game doesn't make a sample size.

I think when Rondo plays like this he's our best play maker and our offense is better than usual. But Miami is a very good match up for Rondo. They lack long shot blockers to bother his drives and have bad defensive PGs.

[jadams5214]

Just an interesting stat to add ---

C's scored over 100 points tonight for the first time in 9 games, and it's in a game that Pierce sat out. 

Not saying at all that the Celtics are better without Pierce but the ball movement is definitely better.  It forces everyone to be involved with Rondo dominating the ball instead of dumping it into Pierce and everyone just standing around watching.  Interesting also was the increased offensive rebounds.  Again I think it ties into the ball movement and everyone getting involved instead of just waiting for Pierce to go one on one before the shot clock expires.

Hope Pierce was paying attention tonight and the C's can mesh better offensively when he returns...

One game doesn't make a sample size.

I think when Rondo plays like this he's our best play maker and our offense is better than usual. But Miami is a very good match up for Rondo. They lack long shot blockers to bother his drives and have bad defensive PGs.

Agreed that one game could be a fluke --- however the previous 8 games of not scoring 100 points is a pretty good indicator that the offense has been struggling and a big part of it is the 4th quarter problems.  A big part of this has been relying far too often on the "give the ball to Pierce and watch him shoot or turn it over" offense.  Rondo can get to the lane against almost any PG and dish out to shooters if he is trapped.  It's obvious that this offense works better with keeping everyone involved and moving around and of course having Rondo lead the way.

[Fafnir]

Just an interesting stat to add ---

C's scored over 100 points tonight for the first time in 9 games, and it's in a game that Pierce sat out. 

Not saying at all that the Celtics are better without Pierce but the ball movement is definitely better.  It forces everyone to be involved with Rondo dominating the ball instead of dumping it into Pierce and everyone just standing around watching.  Interesting also was the increased offensive rebounds.  Again I think it ties into the ball movement and everyone getting involved instead of just waiting for Pierce to go one on one before the shot clock expires.

Hope Pierce was paying attention tonight and the C's can mesh better offensively when he returns...

One game doesn't make a sample size.

I think when Rondo plays like this he's our best play maker and our offense is better than usual. But Miami is a very good match up for Rondo. They lack long shot blockers to bother his drives and have bad defensive PGs.

Rondo can get to the lane against almost any PG and dish out to shooters if he is trapped.  It's obvious that this offense works better with keeping everyone involved and moving around and of course having Rondo lead the way.

The problem is many times that a good shot blocker who is helping properly can neutralize his penetration. Orlando is the prime match up that gives Rondo issues when he drives, but there are others.

Again you're using a sample of 9 games versus 1. If anything I think the offensive rebounding created the higher point total. Part of that is Tony Allen grabbing 4, another part is just randomness.

The C's also gave up a ridiculous number of easy points tonight. Is Pierce really that important to our defense? The answer is no, Tony is a better defender/rebounder than he is at this point in his career. But Ray is playing the 3 more, and House the 2 more so you have to consider that.

Paul being out causes a lot of dominoes to move around and one game doesn't tell us much of anything.

[jadams5214]

I hope Pierce isn't that important to the defense -
especially since KG is playing now there aren't many other options. 

Against the tougher teams such as Orlando, Atlanta and Cleveland it's even more important for Rondo to dominate the ball.  When the shot blockers collapse on him in the paint is when he can dish to the open man.  One thing I mentioned earlier in the season for Rondo is that he needs to work on using his left hand more.  Even when he drives to the left he constantly uses his right hand when trying to lay the ball off the glass.  He can avoid some of the shot blocks and awkward attempts by simply using the left hand which he obviously doesn't have enough confidence with at this point in his career.  Adding a reliable left handed runner and layup will make him even more difficult to defend.

[rayallen1934]

no more iso's and no more 9 turnovers

[moiso]

no more iso's and no more 9 turnovers

No more iso's and no more attempting to dribble through traffic.

[crownsy]

no more iso's and no more 9 turnovers

How bout no more your coach allowing you to play when your playing on a sprained foot?

paul is beat up, and everyone but doc can see it.

No justification for letting him go on the floor the last two games.

[rayallen1934]

no more iso's and no more 9 turnovers

How bout no more your coach allowing you to play when your playing on a sprained foot?

paul is beat up, and everyone but doc can see it.

No justification for letting him go on the floor the last two games.

Pierce can take himself out you know

[crownsy]

no more iso's and no more 9 turnovers

How bout no more your coach allowing you to play when your playing on a sprained foot?

paul is beat up, and everyone but doc can see it.

No justification for letting him go on the floor the last two games.

Pierce can take himself out you know

Yea, ok. Paul is a warrior and a gym rat, if the training staff gives him the green light, he's going to go bust his tail for his team.

Unfortunately, that means he's going at about 70% right now on a bad foot, and it shows.

Also, if doc's job isn't to manage his team and do things like sit a player who is clearly playing injured for the good of his team, what is he paid for?

To sit there and look incredulous while leads slip away night after night while he does nothing?

 hell, i can do that, and I'll do it for a tenth of what doc earns, sign me up.

[marseye]