Way too much Pierce Love

[marseye]

 
I'm a Celtics Fan 'cause i Love PP aka The Truth
my fav n° is 34 all time

[crownsy]

Which is understandable...And yea i back up Ray Allen because im a Ray Allen fan.

BUT...

What hasnt come out besides Ray Allen's decline is Paul Pierce's...Hes 32 , Ray is 34 , Pierce is already showing signs up decline, by the time he is 34 who knows how bad of shape he will be.

This broken foot might be the end of the line for Ray Allen which seems like everyone wants to be traded now. To me it finally gives an opportunity to get in a REAL RYTHYM not just  waiting on the corner to even get a play called for him.

Ive had enough of the Paul Pierce ISOLATION and his countless turnovers, im tired of him using the clock wrong and waiting 3 seconds before he even makes a move, only to throw up a horrid shot or turn it over.

Ray Allen has been slumping...But Paul Pierce has not been that much better this year. He is lucky hes shooting his three pointers at a sick rate or else this would be a pretty lackluster year for him.

I like Paul Pierce and hes still a go to guy...but hes almost done, hes got two years on Ray, but is not even in the same league in terms of taking care of his body.

I hope Ray does not get traded, and gets to show that he can still pour in points given the chance. We all know Ray takes just as much shots as Pierce about 12 or 13, but to me Ray gets lost way too much in the offense and he gets tuned out for long stretches. Ray Allen can still score tons of points, but hopefully Doc Rivers doesnt run him into the ground. It baffles me to see a 34 year old Ray Allen playing insane amount of minutes, furthermore not being correctly integrated into the offense when he is in their.

I don't think your problem is that there's too much Pierce love, but not enough for Ray... your username kind of gives it away.

Ray Allen is averaging slightly more shots per game than Paul Pierce. Paul turns it over a whopping 0.7 times more per game than Ray.

There is nothing lucky about how Pierce has been shooting. It's called hard work. It's nothing against Ray, but Paul is just better and really, always has been. He's having an incredibly efficient year and on top of that is a Celtic-lifer, so he'll always get more respect/loyalty from fans than Ray will, as awesome as RA is.

u kinda missed the point. But it also proves my point that Pierce gets love and no criticism or realism in his declining game

No it doesn't, and your incorrect. Paul drew a ton of criticism last year when he wasn't playing well, and decline talk as well.

What's keeping pierce mostly out of the reaction threads crosshairs is the same thing that's keeping rondo out, who was a constant target last year.

They are both playing well, and consistently.

Ray, on the other hand, is not.

Posters are critical of players not playing well, add in ray's value as an expiring contract and it's no surprise he's the subject of trade rumor threads.

It doesn't mean people don't like ray (I love him) but of course his poor play will be a target for people annoyed with a loss....that's human nature.

[vinnie]

This has got to be a troll. No one would come on here and relentlessly pound on the captain like this, would they?

[RAcker]

To the OP and in the words of Phil Hendrie..."Are you fer real?"   

[kenmaine]

I'm 24 years old. Pierce is my Larry Bird.

Hey jd, TP for you.
I'm 58 and PP is right up there with Bird and all the other greats. And before I get crucified for that comment, I do realize he's not quite on Bird's level, but he's a Hall of Fame player. If he'd played on good teams his whole career he'd get the recognition he deserves.
I do agree with some of the posters though who are sick of the isolation plays at the end of games. Just play the game, don't slow it down and go one-on-five. But that's on Doc.

[connerhenry43]

i do not have the time to read this entire thread, but there is no such thing as too much pierce love. you are a ray allen fan, there is nothing wrong with that. he is a class act and a great player.

but pierce is boston's. kg really belongs to twolves fans, ray allen belongs to milwaukee fans. (i am paraphrasing simmons from last year, but you get the point). pierce was drafted here and could have asked out many times, never did (though there were some legitimate possibilities). he stuck it out here, even though he grew up, yuck, a lakers fan. he won the title here, and at the risk of being sentimental, i pray he retires a celtic.

also, look at the salaries. KG is not going anywhere. no gm, not even isiah thomas, would take him on right now. pierce is probably tradeable, but it would not make sense. ray allen has declined, he has an $18 mill contract expiring....he is the logical piece to move if the c's are to make a big time trade.

if you want to keep ray, you are very much entitled to that opinion. however, IMHO, there is no limit to the respect c's fans should have for pierce.

[xmuscularghandix]

I'm 24 years old. Pierce is my Larry Bird.

i am 35 and i put him up there with bird as a TRUE celtic. you can never give a guy like PP too much love.

Not to mention that he is shooting a career high in EVERY percentage. What is spewing this out of the OP?

09-10: FG%.475  3PT%.467  FT%.859
former high FG%.471 (05-06) 3PT%.412 (98-99) FT%.843 (07-08)

[dasandruler]

Pierce stat numbers are hot this year, but he aint playing on the truth level....he gets vet saavy points for being more perimeter efficient when its clear he lost a step, but his game is taking a hit because the offense is awful and forcin' it to him and ray ray to bail em out.  So i can't blame Paul for bein man enough to make a play when doc tells the team "Paul is the closer, Ray takes the big shots"...  Now I will continue to critisize ray-ray when he continues to play below his ability<not potential> He's stubborn as a mule...refuses to focus on midrange or higher percentage shots ....take it to hole, facilitate offense.  He's in denial that his game has declined, but refuses to maximize the skill he has left.  and doc's  complicitness in lettin ray do his thing is unfortunate for the great jesus shuttlesworth allen, one of the best shooters the game has seen in his day.

[crownsy]

Pierce stat numbers are hot this year, but he aint playing on the truth level....he gets vet saavy points for being more perimeter efficient when its clear he lost a step, but his game is taking a hit because the offense is awful and forcin' it to him and ray ray to bail em out.  So i can't blame Paul for bein man enough to make a play when doc tells the team "Paul is the closer, Ray takes the big shots"...  Now I will continue to critisize ray-ray when he continues to play below his ability<not potential> He's stubborn as a mule...refuses to focus on midrange or higher percentage shots ....take it to hole, facilitate offense.  He's in denial that his game has declined, but refuses to maximize the skill he has left.  and doc's  complicitness in lettin ray do his thing is unfortunate for the great jesus shuttlesworth allen, one of the best shooters the game has seen in his day.

So despite all evidence to the contrary (stats, visual evidence, reality) He's actually having a bad, selfish, season?

gonna need a little more support than that to give that opinion any weight.

I mean, come on.

- you say he's inefficient this year and taking bad shots, he's actually having one of his best years ever on eFG%

- you say he isn't driving, but he's getting to the line at a good clip.

- You say he isn't moving the ball, but he has good assist numbers

- Watching the games objectively, i don't see how you could shoe horn your unsupported analysis of his play into what's actually happening on the court.

The only thing you might have a argument  on is rebounding, but that's a team wide problem. Paul is actually in the top three for the team.

[Greenbean]

Pierce stat numbers are hot this year, but he aint playing on the truth level....he gets vet saavy points for being more perimeter efficient when its clear he lost a step, but his game is taking a hit because the offense is awful and forcin' it to him and ray ray to bail em out.  So i can't blame Paul for bein man enough to make a play when doc tells the team "Paul is the closer, Ray takes the big shots"...  Now I will continue to critisize ray-ray when he continues to play below his ability<not potential> He's stubborn as a mule...refuses to focus on midrange or higher percentage shots ....take it to hole, facilitate offense.  He's in denial that his game has declined, but refuses to maximize the skill he has left.  and doc's  complicitness in lettin ray do his thing is unfortunate for the great jesus shuttlesworth allen, one of the best shooters the game has seen in his day.

What evidence is there that Paul has lost a step? I still see him consistently getting in the paint.He is getting to the line as much as he did in 08 and last year.

The only thing Pierce has lost since he came in the league is his hops which he still  unveils every now and then. Remember this happened THIS year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV4UL8lGP_w

[GreenFaith1819]

Nice Post, Greenbean..definitely a Youtube Fave of mine. Our Captain came out of no where with that one.

[Bankshot]

Well there isn't enough Pierce love if you ask me.  For too many years most fans couldn't stand Pierce.  Nice to see him finally getting some love.  Amazing that someone would start a thread saying too much Pierce love.

[dasandruler]

Pierce stat numbers are hot this year, but he aint playing on the truth level....he gets vet saavy points for being more perimeter efficient when its clear he lost a step, but his game is taking a hit because the offense is awful and forcin' it to him and ray ray to bail em out.  So i can't blame Paul for bein man enough to make a play when doc tells the team "Paul is the closer, Ray takes the big shots"...  Now I will continue to critisize ray-ray when he continues to play below his ability<not potential> He's stubborn as a mule...refuses to focus on midrange or higher percentage shots ....take it to hole, facilitate offense.  He's in denial that his game has declined, but refuses to maximize the skill he has left.  and doc's  complicitness in lettin ray do his thing is unfortunate for the great jesus shuttlesworth allen, one of the best shooters the game has seen in his day.

So despite all evidence to the contrary (stats, visual evidence, reality) He's actually having a bad, selfish, season?

gonna need a little more support than that to give that opinion any weight.

I mean, come on.

- you say he's inefficient this year and taking bad shots, he's actually having one of his best years ever on eFG%

- you say he isn't driving, but he's getting to the line at a good clip.

- You say he isn't moving the ball, but he has good assist numbers

- Watching the games objectively, i don't see how you could shoe horn your unsupported analysis of his play into what's actually happening on the court.

The only thing you might have a argument  on is rebounding, but that's a team wide problem. Paul is actually in the top three for the team.

my thread is not an agreement with "way too much paul Love" actually. This is what happens when you read too many posts, get all fired up with your agenda, and dont' pay attention to what your reading--

[crownsy]

Pierce stat numbers are hot this year, but he aint playing on the truth level....he gets vet saavy points for being more perimeter efficient when its clear he lost a step, but his game is taking a hit because the offense is awful and forcin' it to him and ray ray to bail em out.  So i can't blame Paul for bein man enough to make a play when doc tells the team "Paul is the closer, Ray takes the big shots"...  Now I will continue to critisize ray-ray when he continues to play below his ability<not potential> He's stubborn as a mule...refuses to focus on midrange or higher percentage shots ....take it to hole, facilitate offense.  He's in denial that his game has declined, but refuses to maximize the skill he has left.  and doc's  complicitness in lettin ray do his thing is unfortunate for the great jesus shuttlesworth allen, one of the best shooters the game has seen in his day.

So despite all evidence to the contrary (stats, visual evidence, reality) He's actually having a bad, selfish, season?

gonna need a little more support than that to give that opinion any weight.

I mean, come on.

- you say he's inefficient this year and taking bad shots, he's actually having one of his best years ever on eFG%

- you say he isn't driving, but he's getting to the line at a good clip.

- You say he isn't moving the ball, but he has good assist numbers

- Watching the games objectively, i don't see how you could shoe horn your unsupported analysis of his play into what's actually happening on the court.

The only thing you might have a argument  on is rebounding, but that's a team wide problem. Paul is actually in the top three for the team.

my thread is not an agreement with "way too much paul Love" actually. This is what happens when you read too many posts, get all fired up with your agenda, and dont' pay attention to what your reading--

no, it's a criticism of you implying that paul isn;t having a good year.

I completely understood that your saying he's still playing better than ray. I have no "agenda"

And, since we're going to take thinly veiled shots at each other, it's tough to follow an argument when it's one block of text with not breaks for paragraphs.

[dasandruler]

 respectfully disagree .  its not thinly veiled, I corrected your misspeak making up sentences not in my opinion post.  call it how u see it--free country..