This is the only Ray trade I can come up with that makes sense

[fairweatherfan06]

for both teams.  Yeah I could find a trade with D-wade or Joe Johnson or whoever in which the other team gets robbed but this trade right here fulfills all the requirements for both sides.

(BTW if I seem cynical throughtout this its because the idea of trading Ray disgusts me personally but this is the best way I can find to do it)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykt6eml

Sacramento gets:
Ray Allen
Brian Scalabrine

Boston gets
Kevin Martin
Francisco Garcia
Kenny Thomas

0R substitute Nocioni (for those of you who are so in love with him, but Garcia is younger and has a more palatable contract) and it still works


Why for Sacramento:
Martin, Thomas, Garcia, nor Nocioni for that matter are in Sacramento's future plans.  Any way you slice it they get out from under these long term contracts for players they don't want and they get count it 22 million dollars in cap space plus another $1million they are already under the cap for this big 2010 summer free agent push.  (Good luck with that I don't think Sac will be able to woo the biggest names)

Why for Boston
Kenny Thomas is the big expiring contract Danny wants 8.7 million
K-mart and Garcia are the young talents he wants
Nocioni is an overpriced glue guy but he serves a purpose if the Kings make us eat his contract instead of letting us have Garcia.

And all these players fill things we need (minus a backup PG which is what Marquis is supposed to do and I think he can)
 K-Mart=replacement for Ray (so many of you believe...much more injury prone and much less of a player than Ray was at the same age....but I digress)  Garcia, Nocioni, Thomas can all spell Paul and give us much needed wing depth with two of those getting PF minutes in small lineups.  All of them but Nocioni are what you would call very athletic.

Lastly Danny has a good relationship with the Maloufs for whatever reason and I think there is a better than average chance Ray gets bought out and can come back and anchor our bench.  (Giddens, or Walker will have to be dealt or bought out to clear a roster spot but its a small price to pay)  For some reason Ray wants to be here despite a fanbase that has shown themselves to be very "fairweather, wishwashy and generally disloyal to him given how hard he works for the team..but maybe that's just here on this board there goes that cynicism again.   Anyway I think its a good deal for all parties.

Enjoy

[Gomesfan]

for both teams.  Yeah I could find a trade with D-wade or Joe Johnson or whoever in which the other team gets robbed but this trade right here fulfills all the requirements for both sides.

(BTW if I seem cynical throughtout this its because the idea of trading Ray disgusts me personally but this is the best way I can find to do it)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykt6eml

Sacramento gets:
Ray Allen
Brian Scalabrine

Boston gets
Kevin Martin
Francisco Garcia
Kenny Thomas

0R substitute Nocioni (for those of you who are so in love with him, but Garcia is younger and has a more palatable contract) and it still works


Why for Sacramento:
Martin, Thomas, Garcia, nor Nocioni for that matter are in Sacramento's future plans.  Any way you slice it they get out from under these long term contracts for players they don't want and they get count it 22 million dollars in cap space plus another $1million they are already under the cap for this big 2010 summer free agent push.  (Good luck with that I don't think Sac will be able to woo the biggest names)

Why for Boston
Kenny Thomas is the big expiring contract Danny wants 8.7 million
K-mart and Garcia are the young talents he wants
Nocioni is an overpriced glue guy but he serves a purpose if the Kings make us eat his contract instead of letting us have Garcia.

And all these players fill things we need (minus a backup PG which is what Marquis is supposed to do and I think he can)
 K-Mart=replacement for Ray (so many of you believe...much more injury prone and much less of a player than Ray was at the same age....but I digress)  Garcia, Nocioni, Thomas can all spell Paul and give us much needed wing depth with two of those getting PF minutes in small lineups.  All of them but Nocioni are what you would call very athletic.

Lastly Danny has a good relationship with the Maloufs for whatever reason and I think there is a better than average chance Ray gets bought out and can come back and anchor our bench.  (Giddens, or Walker will have to be dealt or bought out to clear a roster spot but its a small price to pay)  For some reason Ray wants to be here despite a fanbase that has shown themselves to be very "fairweather, wishwashy and generally disloyal to him given how hard he works for the team..but maybe that's just here on this board there goes that cynicism again.   Anyway I think its a good deal for all parties.

Enjoy

Ive posted some very similar trades that included the same players but I used sergio rodrguez nocioni and MArtin. TP

[Gomesfan]

Ray for Martin Nocioni

or

Ray and Scal for Martin Nocioni and S. Rodriguez to give Sac more incentive w/ adding Scals Contract.

[fanofgreen]

I would like this trade, if we weren't aiming for  a championship.

I just wouldn't want to trade for Kev. Martin, because

#1 he's a volume scorer, not sure how long it will take him to adjust to his role, as a celtic. I'm guessing it would take a while.

#2 he just came off an injury, he's only played 15 games this season. He always gets hurt, over the last 3 seasons he's only played 61 games (07-08)...51 games (08-09)...and 15 (09-10)so far this season.

And Garcia, hasn't even played yet this year, due to his injury!!!!

 so I dont see how this helps us at all.................we've already got enough injury issues. We dont need anymore.
and  The guy you want to trade, has been our healthiest player!!!

And Both of their contracts are not enticing, with their injury history. (4 yrs left on both Martin and Garcia)

I only like Kenny Thomas out of this deal, sadly.

[Chris]

So why does this make sense for Sacramento?  They give up two young, talented, and fairly paid wings, plus an expiring contract for Ray Allen's expiring contract.

If they are going to trade those guys, they are going to get VALUE in return, not expiring contracts.

[xmuscularghandix]

Disagree.

[Jackk#02]

i like it, mainly because Boston would be getting a shooter to replace Allen, but i cant see Martin fitting in, unless he quickly learns how to play defense, and took a lesser role where he isn't the number 1 offensive option.

i like this trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk4gjj2

i would of taken brewer with the 5th pick if we didn't trade it back in 07. Gomes would be a very valuble guy of the bench, and he can fill the 3 or 4, id say his an upgrade over Glen Davis.

We also get the expiring contracts danny wants.

[fairweatherfan06]

So why does this make sense for Sacramento?  They give up two young, talented, and fairly paid wings, plus an expiring contract for Ray Allen's expiring contract.

If they are going to trade those guys, they are going to get VALUE in return, not expiring contracts.

Its value because Sacramento is not going anywhere this year, they are still a lottery team.  Everything I've read says Tyreke evans is now and Kevin Martin is old news for them, also read they are struggling to find a use for Garcia as well. Weit this trade they have 23 million dollars for the summer of 2010 PLUS all the players they want to keep anyway.  Looking at the team's position the money from Ray and Scal IS value.

FanofGreen

"Supposedly" and I put that in quotes for a reason Martin (and I believe Garcia as well) have been cleared to play, they  just aren't because Sacramento has no interest in taking away from the minutes of their current core. So they could help us now.

BTW I'm not in the trade Ray club, and I think Martin at the same point in his career is a step down from Ray and perhaps not an upgrade now, but this trade makes all the requirments in the articles (young cheaper talent and expiring)

[Andy Jick]

sacramento doesn't do this...  no way they part with kenny thomas...he's an important expiring contract, so there's no reason at all to let him go because of the size of that contract.

[Brickowski]

No, the idea is to trade Ray Allen for one good player with a long contract, one expiring contract and maybe a prospect.

What you want to avoid is taking the crappy player with a long contract, e.g. Nocioni or Elton Brand.

[Drivefor18]

The trade I see making a lot of sense is Ray for Iggy(5 years left) and Kapono(expiring).  The sixers are suposively having a fire sale and are unloading. I like that trade.

[hardlyyardley]

I like Iggy too

[Tough Juice]

i like it, mainly because Boston would be getting a shooter to replace Allen, but i cant see Martin fitting in, unless he quickly learns how to play defense, and took a lesser role where he isn't the number 1 offensive option.

i like this trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk4gjj2

i would of taken brewer with the 5th pick if we didn't trade it back in 07. Gomes would be a very valuble guy of the bench, and he can fill the 3 or 4, id say his an upgrade over Glen Davis.

We also get the expiring contracts danny wants.

You'll hand Ray Allen for nothing right, Brewer has sign BUST on his forehead, Gomes is pretty decent player, Blount and Cardinal are fillers, and you'll gave, Ray Allen and BBD for Gomes, boy are you a crack pipe

[Andy Jick]

^^ now, if they were to somehow sign gerald green and throw him in this deal, then i'd have to mull that one over...

[fanofgreen]

So why does this make sense for Sacramento?  They give up two young, talented, and fairly paid wings, plus an expiring contract for Ray Allen's expiring contract.

If they are going to trade those guys, they are going to get VALUE in return, not expiring contracts.

Its value because Sacramento is not going anywhere this year, they are still a lottery team.  Everything I've read says Tyreke evans is now and Kevin Martin is old news for them, also read they are struggling to find a use for Garcia as well. Weit this trade they have 23 million dollars for the summer of 2010 PLUS all the players they want to keep anyway.  Looking at the team's position the money from Ray and Scal IS value.

FanofGreen

"Supposedly" and I put that in quotes for a reason Martin (and I believe Garcia as well) have been cleared to play, they  just aren't because Sacramento has no interest in taking away from the minutes of their current core. So they could help us now.

BTW I'm not in the trade Ray club, and I think Martin at the same point in his career is a step down from Ray and perhaps not an upgrade now, but this trade makes all the requirments in the articles (young cheaper talent and expiring)

True, it does make the requirements and ideals of a trade.
But I'm just not comfortable with the idea of trading a healthy expiring, for 2 injury-prone/unhealthy 4 yr deals players.

Because first we got to make sure they are completely healthy, and then we've got to see if and how they fit into their new roles.

I like this trade on paper, but I'd prefer to get completely healthy players back. If a trade involves a healthy player, I want at least 2 healthy players in return a multi-player deal. No matter who the trade involves.