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Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2010, 11:47:55 AM »

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What's up with BBD?  He's too much like the rest of the bench: slow, inefficient and underachieving.

His .426 fg% fits right in with Sheed at .406%, Eddie at .388% and Scal at .359%.  They've all been below average to abysmal on the boards as well.  Amazingly, the only efficient scorer and above average rebounder of the bunch is TA, who is unfortunately too turnover prone and limited to stick in a playoff rotation.

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Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2010, 11:50:58 AM »

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Considering that BBD has a considerable worse jumper than last year, is much slower on defensive rotations, and appears to not have anywhere near the lift he had last year I would argue that he isn't "the same" rather he has regressed substantially. The only thing I think he has improved is his free throw shooting. That is up a half of a percent. Let's at least be honest about his play. Here are Sheldens stats this year though:

12.7 min, 3.9 pts, .488 Fg%, .746 FT%, 3.4 reb, .44 blocks, .5 assists, .79 turnovers

per 36 to compare to BBD's stats below that is right at 10 boards, almost 11 pts, about 1.2 assists, and about 2 turnovers per game.

BBD's per 36 this year: About 9 boards (better than I thought it would be) , 3.5 turnovers, 1.2 assists, and about 12 pts per game.

Let's not pretend that BBD is really that much better of a player out there than Williams. Considering Glen's inability to step it up since he has come back, I think  a little pine time watching Shelden would do him a world of good. I secretly hope they are putting BBD back in there to shop him for a trade knowing Shelden can fill his spot just as nicely at a lower cost.


As bad as Baby has been on both ends, Shelden has been significantly worse on D after a nice opening stretch.  He struggles to hedge and recover, he's weak in the post and he can't keep a body on shooting bigs.  And his board work and finishing ability haven't been amazing enough to make up for it.
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Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2010, 11:51:27 AM »

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I was not impressed with Williams at all. I'm not sure why some people are enamored with him. He could rebound, but would throw the ball out of bounds or be stripped directly after. His man to man D is not that great and I didn't like what I saw from his rotations. And he couldn't handle a simple bounce pass and that seemed to deflate the entire team.

So, overall, I feel like the only area where he is better than Davis is rebounding, but he cancels that out with his poor hands. It's not his fault. It's just who he is.

Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2010, 11:58:51 AM »

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I was not impressed with Williams at all. I'm not sure why some people are enamored with him. He could rebound, but would throw the ball out of bounds or be stripped directly after. His man to man D is not that great and I didn't like what I saw from his rotations. And he couldn't handle a simple bounce pass and that seemed to deflate the entire team.

So, overall, I feel like the only area where he is better than Davis is rebounding, but he cancels that out with his poor hands. It's not his fault. It's just who he is.

Well, that might be, but my problem with this is that sheldon really doesn't get enough minutes to see who he really is, he hasn't ever got to start, which, well , look what it did to leon and bbd last year, it seems to give a player a major confidence boost, and i know that a player nevers plays any better than tentavily (spelling?) if they think that once they make 1 mistake, it is back to the pine, which is what doc does to sheldon...but not scal or bbd....doc does that to all new players...doc sometimes reminds me of...like a 1936 hoosers coach..."well rookie, you gotta sit the pine for a few years before ya earn a spot with this team, ya hear..!...but that is just my take....

Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2010, 11:59:56 AM »

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i meesed that quote up again...lol..more coffee please here..!

Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2010, 12:01:32 PM »

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How much more time do you give BBD to get in shape before you go back to Shelden. At least he can finish around the basket without getting blocked. BBD has also been consistently late on his rotations.

TP there for you...i agree exactly...when will doc put sheldon in again...why does he keep playing scal-o..i think they are trying to give scal a boost going out to the market...

Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2010, 12:13:32 PM »

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Glen Davis (and let's just call him Glen) needs to grow up and make BASKETBALL his primary focus.  Until he wakes up and realizes that, his career will always be a "what could have been..." proposition.

I see in him a guy who is quite affable and likable, but basketball seems to be secondary to his heart.  He is using basketball as a means to gain status and popularity.

This incessant need to twitter and invite polls for a new nickname is wearing thin on me.  yeah, i'm kinda old-school, but i want him to just dedicate his life to playing basketball.

this is a guy who's going to have to work harder than others because of his body type - some people are just prone to put on weight, and he appears to have this problem.  he's having a hard time getting lift right now, so he's a bit out of shape.  you can't be a "short/rotund" power forward in this league, UNLESS you use that to your advantage and bang the hell out of people and rebound. 

Glen needs to get focused and realize his importance to this team.  It's obvious that Sheldon is a lost / forgotten cause, so it's in Davis' hands to perform.  Stop the sideshow crap and just play basketball and get in shape...  Personally, I've had enough of his antics.

Good to see your posting Jick! I agree 100% with everything in here minus the comment about Shelden. He did nothing to deserve his eviction from the rotation. It only happened so that when BBD was back there wouldn't be a big controversy. The mistake that was made that needs to be amended, is for Shelden to be re-inserted into BBD's spot until he takes those minutes back. BBD knew Shelden was filling his role very well (better than BBD is playing now) and I am sure he started to worry about minutes. Once they shut Williams down a few games before he returned it allowed BBD to think that his spot was secure. We need BBD to watch a few games from the sideline and decide how badly he wants his spot back. If he doesn't then he needs to keep watching. Shelden proved he can handle them, because he does what we desperately need. Rebound!


Now that is what i am talking about...right on in that post, TP there for you..!, Get sheldon in there, he is the leon replacement..!

Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2010, 12:18:36 PM »

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When BBD is on his game, shelden is but an afterthought....but dont get me wrong- even with sheldens tony allen like hands/mistakes out there, I feel like he's doin OK considering. the eyeball test says glen has no lift, cant hit a jumper, and looks like he's gonna get hurt everygame.  that being said, If he wasnt a dumbazz--he probably woulda picked up where he left off last season instead of being rusty and working back into game form. this would be that instance the bball puritans refer to as the need for character guys

Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2010, 12:18:41 PM »

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I thought BBD played very well last night. He came in, hit a couple shots, got to the line, and grabbed some valuable boards. I'll hate on him after he plays bad.

Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2010, 12:25:27 PM »

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Baby was really hustling out there last night. He just needs more playing time, IMHO.

Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2010, 12:29:20 PM »

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Baby was really hustling out there last night. He just needs more playing time, IMHO.

After a loss, it seems that a thread is always started about Baby, like the loss was his fault.  He's been hustling his butt and playing pretty well if you ask me.  I think it's just that some dislike Glen and make up all sorts of things to complain about.
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Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2010, 12:45:55 PM »

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Like it or not Davis is what he is, a 3rd big man sub.  He is not a starter on any team I can think of in the nba.  If he comes in and plays good d, rebounds or just blocks his man out and can get "some" points this is all we can ask.  He brings energy...but to me besides defense (and hands) I'd rather have Sheldon out there.  He is a rebounder which is a big weakness for us (why??)
For Davis to be efficient on offense for us he needs to hit the pick & pop jumper and the running hook.  He and everyone needs to understand that he is probably the 3rd option amongst subs (or 4th) on offense.  This is why no other team was that interested in Davis.  He is a good p/u for the draft posistion we had but limited player.

Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2010, 01:14:29 PM »

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Let's not pretend that BBD is really that much better of a player out there than Williams.

More importantly, let´s not pretend as if Doc knows anything about his players, which is the only possible reason why Shelden sees only garbage minutes...

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Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2010, 01:52:09 PM »

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He is a short PF with little lift.



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Re: Whats up with BBD?
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2010, 02:45:31 PM »

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The Front Court needs an athletic young big energy big man off the bench...Man I wish we grabbed birdman when we had the chance.