A Harsh Assessment of 2009-10: The Window is Closed

[csfansince60s]

The window closed when Wyc wouldn't allow Danny at the deadline to Trade Ray's expiring, our only chip of significant value, for Butler/Jamison or Haywood, Hinrich/Salmons/Thomas or anything where we took on anything back except a young player and expirings. Who the hell was gonna give us a young star and expirings if the point was getting Ray for his expirings. Wyc sucks. Salmons, Warrick, Butler, Jamison, Haywood and Thomas all moved and Hinrich was readily available. getting two or three of those players, while costing $$, would have at least extended our window for 2 years after this, i.e. when KG is off the books. Thanks for 17 Wyc. Blow it up now and start the process sooner rather than later. Actually you already did by not trading Ray when he had value.  

[FallGuy]

The window closed when Wyc wouldn't allow Danny at the deadline to Trade Ray's expiring, our only chip of significant value, for Butler/Jamison or Haywood, Hinrich/Salmons/Thomas or anything where we took on anything back except a young player and expirings. Who the hell was gonna give us a young star and expirings if the point was getting Ray for his expirings. Wyc sucks. Salmons, Warrick, Butler, Jamison, Haywood and Thomas all moved and Hinrich was readily available. getting two or three of those players, while costing $$, would have at least extended our window for 2 years after this, i.e. when KG is off the books. Thanks for 17 Wyc. Blow it up now and start the process sooner rather than later. Actually you already did by not trading Ray when he had value.  

Nope.

None of those guys would have extended the window. We might have won an extra round in the playoffs, but none of those players would have put us over the top. This team does not have the 2 elite players necessary for a title. We have three players who are good enough to be the second or third best player on a title team.

[FallGuy]

Yep -- definitely timely to revive this thread today, because it is more trune now than it was when it started. Thanks for the 2008 championship, Danny. Now, let's hope you can figure out how to get this ship back on course in 3 years or so.

If we're a title contender in the three years, with a new core, Ainge should be enshrined.

[jdpapa3]

Not sure why this thread was bumped on a day when the starters played neck and neck with the best team in the NBA in the toughest arena to play.

[vinnie]

Not sure why this thread was bumped on a day when the starters played neck and neck with the best team in the NBA in the toughest arena to play.

I think it was revived because once again the Celtics proved that they cannot compete against the best in the East -- that's a 2-9 record now against Atlanta, Orlando, and Cleveland, but who is counting?

If the starters could play 48 minutes, then I guess this would be a good argument for potential success in the postseason.

[Rashi]

Not sure why this thread was bumped on a day when the starters played neck and neck with the best team in the NBA in the toughest arena to play.

I guess some people just want to see the glass half empty than see it half full.

[vinnie]

Not sure why this thread was bumped on a day when the starters played neck and neck with the best team in the NBA in the toughest arena to play.

I guess some people just want to see the glass half empty than see it half full.

I would love to see the glass even a quarter full. Please tell me why I should be optimistic right now.

[jdpapa3]

Not sure why this thread was bumped on a day when the starters played neck and neck with the best team in the NBA in the toughest arena to play.

I guess some people just want to see the glass half empty than see it half full.

I would love to see the glass even a quarter full. Please tell me why I should be optimistic right now.

Look at the +/- of the starters vs. bench today. And realize that the big 4 will get 42 minutes or so in the playoffs.

Did you feel that the starters just had no chance at all against Cleveland today? I didn't have that feeling.

[vinnie]

Not sure why this thread was bumped on a day when the starters played neck and neck with the best team in the NBA in the toughest arena to play.

I guess some people just want to see the glass half empty than see it half full.

I would love to see the glass even a quarter full. Please tell me why I should be optimistic right now.

Look at the +/- of the starters vs. bench today. And realize that the big 4 will get 42 minutes or so in the playoffs.

Did you feel that the starters just had no chance at all against Cleveland today? I didn't have that feeling.

I thought KG and the entire front line, starters or bench, were burned consistently by the Cavs front line, and all of our big guys were outplayed by Verejao. I think Ray and Paul both got hot ans scored a good number of their points in the fourth quarter after the Celtics went down 17 points. I am one of those old guys who does not pay heed to the +/- numbers, but believes what my eyse see.

As for the bench, they still have to play and contribute big time if this team is going to do anything in the playoffs.

[CoachBo]

Always instructional to see the date I penned this post - and the mountain of evidence that's occurred since to bolster my case.

It's indeed over. Without question. Too old, too unathletic, not enough defense, no bench. No significant help at the deadline. Saying the starters played neck and neck is irrelevant; there have been nights when they were totally insufficient to beat bad basketball teams, and there's no such thing as a legitimate partial comparison. Cleveland is better. A lot better.

There is no legitimate reason for optimism. None. It's noble, but it has no basis whatsoever in the mountain of failures on the floor this team is racking up.

Face it, the Celtics are nowhere near the league's elite teams. Two rounds, if we're lucky, in the playoffs. I'd love to be wrong. But there isn't a single shred of evidence to suggest that I am. Not one.

[barefacedmonk]

Not sure why this thread was bumped on a day when the starters played neck and neck with the best team in the NBA in the toughest arena to play.

I guess some people just want to see the glass half empty than see it half full.

Yea..its called perspective. Some see the glass half empty, some see it half full and some see the glass as just too big.  

[dark_lord]

the window may be close to being closed, but im not ready to lock the latch on it just yet

[Rashi]

Not sure why this thread was bumped on a day when the starters played neck and neck with the best team in the NBA in the toughest arena to play.

Ok for starters despite us playing horrendously we still have 40 wins. Atlanta Hawks whose younger, more athletic than us, have been injury-free and have been playing up to their full potential have only one more win than us.

3 guys on the team have missed multiple games this season...and everyone else has missed one game. We were hit bad with injuries and illnesses this year and that alone put us down and ruined our chemistry.

You can clearly tell some of the guys are being cautious and they have every right to. Regular season wins aren't going to do us much in the playoffs....but a healthy KG/Pierce will.

More than a great winning record...we need our guys to be healthy and putting up one of their best performances in the post season.

I know the 41-24 record hurts a lot of us since on paper this team is great, but at the same time lets look at a fact. In 07-08 we had 66-16 record yet the Cavs with a 45-37 took us to game 7  in ECF. Actually forget Cavs...even Atlanta with a record of 35-47 took us to game 7. We could have been upset by any of the 2 but thankfully we weren't. Postseason is totally different, and with the talent and experience that the team has, I refuse to give up on them.


I am sorry that you might be getting annoyed by my posts thinking I am some blind optimist, but I am really not.

Am 19 and don't have as great knowledge of the organization as most of you; and I would easily get worked up earlier on in the season with every loss, but now am at a point where I just take in every win and loss calmly and just waiting for the Postseason to start and for once and all unfold the truth of what this team can or can't do.


I guess some people just want to see the glass half empty than see it half full.

I would love to see the glass even a quarter full. Please tell me why I should be optimistic right now.

[jdpapa3]

not enough defense

Yea, first in the league is just not enough.

[CoachBo]

Call me the next time league averages built against sub-par competition win an important game.

Okay?