Eastern Conference Scout says this will be the last year for the Big 3 together

[Drucci]

I think the scout's point was that next year the Big Three will be the Big Two since Ray will have a lesser role in team (or not re-sign with the Celtics in his opinion but I disagree).

I think people are writting off Ray too soon, and he will prove them wrong in the playoffs.

it's not Ray I'm writing off , its KG's knee. Without KG we aren't winning anything anyways. I love Ray and would prefer to keep him if , but if KG is going to be struggling with this all year then I have little faith we will do much in the playoffs. So if you could get some good young players on the rise or high draft picks you have to strongly consider it.

What's the point of trading Ray if KG's knee is the problem? How will trading Ray will help us to win? Let's say you replace Ray by Kevin Martin and KG's knee prevents him from playing or greatly affects his effectiveness. Do you really think Kevin Martin is going to make a difference over Ray, as long as KG's knee is our biggest problem? Seriously?

I mean, if KG is not playing in the playoffs or if he is playing but at 50%, we're screwed anyway, so trading Ray will just ensure us an easiest first or secound round exit in the playoffs. There is no way trading Ray improves our team, unless you get LeBron James in exchange.

I was not referring to you about Ray being written off, but to the scout who said Ray is "breaking down".

And I think KG will be fine, really. Give him some time to get his conditioning back and he will be OK as he long as he doesn't hurt himself badly during a game.

[Who]

There's a fair chance this will the Celtics last season as a legitimate contender. Then they move into that outside contender status, sort of like the Utah Jazz in the West, they're close but they're not there.

I don't think we'll able to tell for certain until we get closer to the time. Not until the end of the season and perhaps not until the start of next season.

But I think there's a fair chance this will be their last run at a ring. That's the way they + the front office should be approaching it.

[rondohondo]

  I don't think that rebuilding on the fly works; at best, it will result in mediocrity.

Agreed -- high failure rate -- something to be highly wary of.

There has to be a plan in place that maps out a way for the team to make sustainable progress while rebuilding. Too many of these teams only have one or two moves thought out and then get stuck in no-mans land when they realize they don't have the flexibility personnel wise to make further improvements.

Here's a trade that I think could work for rebuilding on the fly

Bos  sends: Ray , TA , 2010 1st round pick
Utah sends: Kirilenko,Korver  NYK 1st round pick(top 10)

Why for Boston: I know everyone thinks Kirilienko is way overpaid and I agree, BUT he has always been a better player as a PF and he is defensive minded so he could fit in.  Korver is no where near the player of Ray but he is a great shooter himself to fill Ray's spot.

Kirilenko is going to be an expiring contract next year along with PP. If we let those 2 expire next year we would have  about 18 mil in cap space for the 2011 free agents. We would be getting a lottery pick back and we would still have a pretty strong team for the next few years.


For Utah

They have been looking for an all-star wing player for year. By getting Ray and adding him to Boozer and Williams they would be the best team utah has seen since stockton and malone. They would also be clearing Ray and Boozers contract at the end of the season allowing them to off a max contract this off season. They would also get a late 1st round pick and Giddens or Walker if they wanted them.




I would rather keep the big 3 together for one more title run if they were all healthy, but I don't know if we will see that again......

[BballTim]

  I don't think that rebuilding on the fly works; at best, it will result in mediocrity.

Agreed -- high failure rate -- something to be highly wary of.

There has to be a plan in place that maps out a way for the team to make sustainable progress while rebuilding. Too many of these teams only have one or two moves thought out and then get stuck in no-mans land when they realize they don't have the flexibility personnel wise to make further improvements.

Here's a trade that I think could work for rebuilding on the fly

Bos  sends: Ray , TA , 2010 1st round pick
Utah sends: Kirilenko,Korver  NYK 1st round pick(top 10)

Why for Boston: I know everyone thinks Kirilienko is way overpaid and I agree, BUT he has always been a better player as a PF and he is defensive minded so he could fit in.  Korver is no where near the player of Ray but he is a great shooter himself to fill Ray's spot.

Kirilenko is going to be an expiring contract next year along with PP. If we let those 2 expire next year we would have  about 18 mil in cap space for the 2011 free agents. We would be getting a lottery pick back and we would still have a pretty strong team for the next few years.


For Utah

They have been looking for an all-star wing player for year. By getting Ray and adding him to Boozer and Williams they would be the best team utah has seen since stockton and malone. They would also be clearing Ray and Boozers contract at the end of the season allowing them to off a max contract this off season. They would also get a late 1st round pick and Giddens or Walker if they wanted them.




I would rather keep the big 3 together for one more title run if they were all healthy, but I don't know if we will see that again......

  If Ray was stil an all-star wing there would be no need to trade him.

[lon3lytoaster]

  I don't think that rebuilding on the fly works; at best, it will result in mediocrity.

Agreed -- high failure rate -- something to be highly wary of.

There has to be a plan in place that maps out a way for the team to make sustainable progress while rebuilding. Too many of these teams only have one or two moves thought out and then get stuck in no-mans land when they realize they don't have the flexibility personnel wise to make further improvements.

Here's a trade that I think could work for rebuilding on the fly

Bos  sends: Ray , TA , 2010 1st round pick
Utah sends: Kirilenko,Korver  NYK 1st round pick(top 10)

Why for Boston: I know everyone thinks Kirilienko is way overpaid and I agree, BUT he has always been a better player as a PF and he is defensive minded so he could fit in.  Korver is no where near the player of Ray but he is a great shooter himself to fill Ray's spot.

Kirilenko is going to be an expiring contract next year along with PP. If we let those 2 expire next year we would have  about 18 mil in cap space for the 2011 free agents. We would be getting a lottery pick back and we would still have a pretty strong team for the next few years.


For Utah

They have been looking for an all-star wing player for year. By getting Ray and adding him to Boozer and Williams they would be the best team utah has seen since stockton and malone. They would also be clearing Ray and Boozers contract at the end of the season allowing them to off a max contract this off season. They would also get a late 1st round pick and Giddens or Walker if they wanted them.




I would rather keep the big 3 together for one more title run if they were all healthy, but I don't know if we will see that again......

I remember Kirilenko as a decent rebounder.. We could use that. That pick would be awfully tempting, too.

But what do we do for the 2 spot? I don't think Korver would be a very good option.

With that trade, there's about a zero percent chance we win a championship this year.

[Brickowski]

Rebuilding on the fly is indeed risky, although I think that replacing Ray Allen with Iguodala and Kapono, plus trading some expirings for a legitimate backup point guard, would make them better, not worse.

Failing those types of moves, I say blow it up completely-- now.  Keep Rondo and possibly Perkins and see what you can get for the rest. And that includes Pierce and KG.

[lon3lytoaster]

Rebuilding on the fly is indeed risky, although I think that replacing Ray Allen with Iguodala and Kapono, plus trading some expirings for a legitimate backup point guard, would make them better, not worse.

Failing those types of moves, I say blow it up completely-- now.  Keep Rondo and possibly Perkins and see what you can get for the rest. And that includes Pierce and KG.

I'd trade Ray for Iggy and Kapono in a heart beat. Now the hard part is convincing Philly to do that.

[Brickowski]

Just look at Iguodala's guaranteed contract for the next 5 years.  That's all the convincing you need to do.  He's very expensive.

[BballTim]

Just look at Iguodala's guaranteed contract for the next 5 years.  That's all the convincing you need to do.  He's very expensive.

  No kidding. They thought they were signing a Pierce-level of player and it hasn't turned out to be the case.

[P2]

I don't think Ray is traded before the deadline, but I think he is gone after this year if we don't reach the East Finals, at least. But in any cae, he won't get more than a 2 year contract.

[Evantime34]

I don't think Ray is traded before the deadline, but I think he is gone after this year if we don't reach the East Finals, at least. But in any cae, he won't get more than a 2 year contract.

I think he gets a two year contract with his playing time declining as he gets older. If we don't sign him next year we will still have to replace him with the MLE, because we will be over the cap.

If he offered to sign here for cheaper money and didn't mind playing less I don't see any reason why he doesn't stick around.

Also I think it can not be overstated that Ray is a volume shooter who is getting almost 1.5 less shots a game this year. That could contribute to his lower percentage.

[RAcker]

This thread equals:

[Andy Jick]

it's best to trade ray a year too early than a year too late...

i'm fairly convinced that garnett's career (as we know it) is over.  the only movable "asset" danny has is ray.  move him or this franchise faces certain death.  because you'll never trade him with 2 or 3 years left on his deal.  it has to happen now...

[crownsy]

it's best to trade ray a year too early than a year too late...

i'm fairly convinced that garnett's career (as we know it) is over.  the only movable "asset" danny has is ray.  move him or this franchise faces certain death.  because you'll never trade him with 2 or 3 years left on his deal.  it has to happen now...

"this franchise faces certain death"

MAN are we spoiled as a fan base now....we win a championship after having the worst season of all time, and for those like me who didn't get to root for the 80's team, a prolonged drought of being anything like a championship contender, and suddenly the failure to trade ray allen will be "certain death"

From forlorn to entitled in two short years.

I mean, I agree there is a good chance we will not be perennial championship contenders for a bit here once our run is through, but i don't think a team that has rondo signed long term and 3 huge contracts coming off the books in successive years is going to suddenly become the New jersey nets.

[Andy Jick]

Crownsy...  I actually did witness the 80's and remember it vividly.  Trust us who were there - it was a slow, painful death to watch.  Red's greatest quality probably was his worst: loyalty.  His reluctance to trade either mchale or parish (and he had opportunities to do so) led to the death of this franchise.

I see it happening all over again...sorry if that makes me a bad person, but this is getting tough to watch.  People here have all kinds of high hopes for this team.  Sorry, they're just not that good.  Garnett is hurting, and I believe it's chronic.  They still have two great players (Pierce and Rondo) and have a uniquely tradable asset (R. Allen) that should be moved for younger pieces to bridge the gap to the future.

Danny needs to heed his own advice, open his eyes and remove his green colored glasses: move Ray Allen.  He, afterall, should know this more than all of us and he's admitted that Red should have done the same.