Author Topic: The Pick Two Draft Thread  (Read 548047 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #840 on: February 03, 2010, 04:39:37 PM »

Offline KCattheStripe

  • Danny Ainge
  • **********
  • Posts: 10726
  • Tommy Points: 830
Any thoughts?

1. Derrick Rose
2. Nicolas Batum
3. Danillo Gallinari
4. Emeka Okafor
5. Joakim Noah.

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #841 on: February 03, 2010, 04:40:00 PM »

Offline crownsy

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8469
  • Tommy Points: 157
I'd have asked after an Odom-for-Hibbert swap. Odom alongside Granger would make a nice combination.

I'm wondering if people are just going off Grangers stats, and also the hatred for everything that is L.A

I'm wondering if your dismissing Granger due to not liking his game, and overvaluing lamar odom because he is the 6th man on a team full of superstars.  ;)
“I will hurt you for this. A day will come when you think you’re safe and happy and your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth. And you will know the debt is paid.” – Tyrion

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #842 on: February 03, 2010, 04:40:25 PM »

Offline Gainesville Celtic

  • Rajon Rondo
  • *****
  • Posts: 5544
  • Tommy Points: 1331
  • Ainge *still* has a Posse! Ubuntu Y'all
Since this draft isn't being graded, I'm going to sign off on it.  If this were the CB draft, though, this one would be vetoed, without question.

Indiana (Slugger) sends Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert to

Utah (Slamtheking) for Lamar Odom and Utah's 4th round pick.


Ugh. Great trade for utah, awful value for granger.

how come my one sided trade proposals get laughed out of the building? :D



Please -  firstly Roy Hibbert is a string bean - cannot move my mother out of the low post and has poor lateral movement.  He is not even worth trading for a 7th rounder in my mind.

Danny Granger - this is a bit tougher to justify...

Firstly, he is a good scorer.  However, he isnt all that young (26), is injury prone, and to be honest i dont think he's all that explosive.

He was an all-star last year, but simply due to the fact he was in the east.  I dont think he's really the most valuable on his team.

I think people are looking at his scoring numbers without actually assessing the whole picture.

Lamar Odom to me has just as much value as Danny Granger.  Without him, no way are the Lakers as good.  He is a versatile 3-4 man that can put the ball on the floor, post up his man, is a fantastic passer, can lead the break, can spell your PG of ball-handling duties, and has a hot girlfriend.

I believe these reasons, plus the added value of trading (in effect) Roy Hibbert for a 4th pick, are good reasons.

Comments welcome
I think your assessment that Granger isn't that young at 26 but that you are trading him for a 30 year old is kind of strange

Granger is an All Star, Odom never
Granger will be one of the game best scorers for the next 6 years, Odom was never a great scorer
Granger is now almost a franchise type player, Odom is most effective coming off the bench

I don't like the deal either --- but in Slugger's defense, Granger has slipped a bit from elite swingman over the last year, though I suspect that's as much the Obie effect --- see how it ground Pierce down when he was at that same cusp --- than anything reflective of Granger's lack of ability.

And I'd agree Hibbert is probably getting a bit too much love too 'round these parts --- he's like Bynum 3 years ago when it was all potential. Good center who's really developed since his Freshman year at GTown, but he's no all-star.

that said, in these drafts you have to balance getting the guy you really want with getting solid value for each pick/player IMO
GC's Yahoo! H2h League: Gainesville Celtics: 2014, 2016, 2017 Champs!

GC's Yahoo! H2h League permanent website (offseason roster, constitution, etc.) * Lucky was framed!

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #843 on: February 03, 2010, 04:40:28 PM »

Offline Slugger

  • Jaylen Brown
  • Posts: 606
  • Tommy Points: 75
Lamar Odom to me has just as much value as Danny Granger.  Without him, no way are the Lakers as good.  He is a versatile 3-4 man that can put the ball on the floor, post up his man, is a fantastic passer, can lead the break, can spell your PG of ball-handling duties, and has a hot girlfriend.

Well, the Lakers would be better with Granger as their 6th man than Odom, so that seems a specious argument.

So is the argument that Granger is injury prone, since over his career he's averaged nearly 10 games more a season than Odom, and is four years younger.

Why would Granger suit their system better - all he does better is score.

Lamar can be a really good scorer.  Everything else Lamar does better - even at 30 years old

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #844 on: February 03, 2010, 04:40:40 PM »

Offline Gomesfan

  • Bailey Howell
  • **
  • Posts: 2251
  • Tommy Points: 102
Since this draft isn't being graded, I'm going to sign off on it.  If this were the CB draft, though, this one would be vetoed, without question.

Indiana (Slugger) sends Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert to

Utah (Slamtheking) for Lamar Odom and Utah's 4th round pick.


Ugh. Great trade for utah, awful value for granger.

how come my one sided trade proposals get laughed out of the building? :D



Please -  firstly Roy Hibbert is a string bean - cannot move my mother out of the low post and has poor lateral movement.  He is not even worth trading for a 7th rounder in my mind.

Danny Granger - this is a bit tougher to justify...

Firstly, he is a good scorer.  However, he isnt all that young (26), is injury prone, and to be honest i dont think he's all that explosive.

He was an all-star last year, but simply due to the fact he was in the east.  I dont think he's really the most valuable on his team.

I think people are looking at his scoring numbers without actually assessing the whole picture.

Lamar Odom to me has just as much value as Danny Granger.  Without him, no way are the Lakers as good.  He is a versatile 3-4 man that can put the ball on the floor, post up his man, is a fantastic passer, can lead the break, can spell your PG of ball-handling duties, and has a hot girlfriend.

I believe these reasons, plus the added value of trading (in effect) Roy Hibbert for a 4th pick, are good reasons.

Comments welcome
This is the most lopped sided trade ever!
L.A. Clippers
Derrick Rose Blake Griffin 4.11 5.3 5.15 6.11 7.15 8.11 9.15 10.11 11.15 12.11 13.15

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #845 on: February 03, 2010, 04:40:44 PM »

Offline crownsy

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8469
  • Tommy Points: 157
Any thoughts?

1. Derrick Rose
2. Nicolas Batum
3. Danillo Gallinari
4. Emeka Okafor
5. Joakim Noah.

Going to be a scrappy sqaud, love danillo at the three.
“I will hurt you for this. A day will come when you think you’re safe and happy and your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth. And you will know the debt is paid.” – Tyrion

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #846 on: February 03, 2010, 04:40:53 PM »

Offline Edgar

  • Kevin McHale
  • ************************
  • Posts: 24646
  • Tommy Points: 445
  • No contaban con mi astucia !!!
Small ball for me

RIP

and one more player this round
what will it be Shard future
PF or SF

My Boy Andre Miller
Rip

Shard
Superman


p.s. I cant beleive hes still available

18.5   3.4   5.8 and champion is better than most here
Once a CrotorNat always a CROTORNAT  2 times CB draft Champion 2009-2012

Nice to be back!

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #847 on: February 03, 2010, 04:41:47 PM »

Offline crownsy

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8469
  • Tommy Points: 157
Lamar Odom to me has just as much value as Danny Granger.  Without him, no way are the Lakers as good.  He is a versatile 3-4 man that can put the ball on the floor, post up his man, is a fantastic passer, can lead the break, can spell your PG of ball-handling duties, and has a hot girlfriend.

Well, the Lakers would be better with Granger as their 6th man than Odom, so that seems a specious argument.

So is the argument that Granger is injury prone, since over his career he's averaged nearly 10 games more a season than Odom, and is four years younger.

Why would Granger suit their system better - all he does better is score.

Lamar can be a really good scorer.  Everything else Lamar does better - even at 30 years old

actually, granger is a good rebounder, and pretty good defender (which odom is not)

Lamar is a better passer and rebounder, but overall, they are not equivalent as players.
“I will hurt you for this. A day will come when you think you’re safe and happy and your joy will turn to ashes in your mouth. And you will know the debt is paid.” – Tyrion

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #848 on: February 03, 2010, 04:42:37 PM »

Offline Lucky17

  • DKC Commish
  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16021
  • Tommy Points: 2352
Any thoughts?

1. Derrick Rose
2. Nicolas Batum
3. Danillo Gallinari
4. Emeka Okafor
5. Joakim Noah.

I thought Batum was a SF? Is he mobile enough to guard SGs?
DKC League is now on reddit!: http://www.reddit.com/r/dkcleague

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #849 on: February 03, 2010, 04:44:15 PM »

Offline Lucky17

  • DKC Commish
  • JoJo White
  • ****************
  • Posts: 16021
  • Tommy Points: 2352
Small ball for me

RIP

and one more player this round
what will it be Shard future
PF or SF

My Boy Andre Miller
Rip

Shard
Superman

Rip is good value here. I think people are preferring youth, but Hamilton still has plenty of legs left.

Although, he is not great from 3 pt land. Rashard will help you there, at least. Maybe another deep threat?
DKC League is now on reddit!: http://www.reddit.com/r/dkcleague

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #850 on: February 03, 2010, 04:45:10 PM »

Offline Slugger

  • Jaylen Brown
  • Posts: 606
  • Tommy Points: 75
Since this draft isn't being graded, I'm going to sign off on it.  If this were the CB draft, though, this one would be vetoed, without question.

Indiana (Slugger) sends Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert to

Utah (Slamtheking) for Lamar Odom and Utah's 4th round pick.


Ugh. Great trade for utah, awful value for granger.

how come my one sided trade proposals get laughed out of the building? :D



Please -  firstly Roy Hibbert is a string bean - cannot move my mother out of the low post and has poor lateral movement.  He is not even worth trading for a 7th rounder in my mind.

Danny Granger - this is a bit tougher to justify...

Firstly, he is a good scorer.  However, he isnt all that young (26), is injury prone, and to be honest i dont think he's all that explosive.

He was an all-star last year, but simply due to the fact he was in the east.  I dont think he's really the most valuable on his team.

I think people are looking at his scoring numbers without actually assessing the whole picture.

Lamar Odom to me has just as much value as Danny Granger.  Without him, no way are the Lakers as good.  He is a versatile 3-4 man that can put the ball on the floor, post up his man, is a fantastic passer, can lead the break, can spell your PG of ball-handling duties, and has a hot girlfriend.

I believe these reasons, plus the added value of trading (in effect) Roy Hibbert for a 4th pick, are good reasons.

Comments welcome
I think your assessment that Granger isn't that young at 26 but that you are trading him for a 30 year old is kind of strange

Granger is an All Star, Odom never
Granger will be one of the game best scorers for the next 6 years, Odom was never a great scorer
Granger is now almost a franchise type player, Odom is most effective coming off the bench

I don't like the deal either --- but in Slugger's defense, Granger has slipped a bit from elite swingman over the last year, though I suspect that's as much the Obie effect --- see how it ground Pierce down when he was at that same cusp --- than anything reflective of Granger's lack of ability.

And I'd agree Hibbert is probably getting a bit too much love too --- he's like Bynum 3 years ago when it was all potential. Good center who's really developed since his Freshman year at GTown, but he's no all-star.

that said, in these drafts you have to balance getting the guy you really want with getting solid value for each pick/player IMO

Thanks for putting another spin on it, however i have a couple of queries about a couple of your points.

A) Since when has Granger been an Elite swing-man.  He made the east all-star team, which has never been a mean feat.  Heck, even Jamal Magloire made an east AS team.

Secondly, Hibbert and Bynum are not comparable at the early stages in their careers.  Bynum always had size and strength (or the body to gain strength).  Hibbert is very weak in the post, and may one day make an ok weak side shot blocker.  His ceiling is max Marcus Camby.  Camby is not a good centre.

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #851 on: February 03, 2010, 04:45:25 PM »

Offline Gainesville Celtic

  • Rajon Rondo
  • *****
  • Posts: 5544
  • Tommy Points: 1331
  • Ainge *still* has a Posse! Ubuntu Y'all
Since this draft isn't being graded, I'm going to sign off on it.  If this were the CB draft, though, this one would be vetoed, without question.

Indiana (Slugger) sends Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert to

Utah (Slamtheking) for Lamar Odom and Utah's 4th round pick.


Ugh. Great trade for utah, awful value for granger.

how come my one sided trade proposals get laughed out of the building? :D



Please -  firstly Roy Hibbert is a string bean - cannot move my mother out of the low post and has poor lateral movement.  He is not even worth trading for a 7th rounder in my mind.

Danny Granger - this is a bit tougher to justify...

Firstly, he is a good scorer.  However, he isnt all that young (26), is injury prone, and to be honest i dont think he's all that explosive.

He was an all-star last year, but simply due to the fact he was in the east.  I dont think he's really the most valuable on his team.

I think people are looking at his scoring numbers without actually assessing the whole picture.

Lamar Odom to me has just as much value as Danny Granger.  Without him, no way are the Lakers as good.  He is a versatile 3-4 man that can put the ball on the floor, post up his man, is a fantastic passer, can lead the break, can spell your PG of ball-handling duties, and has a hot girlfriend.

I believe these reasons, plus the added value of trading (in effect) Roy Hibbert for a 4th pick, are good reasons.

Comments welcome
This is the most lopped sided trade ever!

That may or may not be true but --- if i can put my Ubuntu hat on --- we should remember this *is* all just a game -- and we ALL are Celtics here :) 

If Slugger likes Odom over Granger, cool. File it away for when he's in the CBD or fantasy league...

(NOT exercise!)
GC's Yahoo! H2h League: Gainesville Celtics: 2014, 2016, 2017 Champs!

GC's Yahoo! H2h League permanent website (offseason roster, constitution, etc.) * Lucky was framed!

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #852 on: February 03, 2010, 04:45:37 PM »

Offline Edgar

  • Kevin McHale
  • ************************
  • Posts: 24646
  • Tommy Points: 445
  • No contaban con mi astucia !!!
Dwight Howard
Rashard Lewis
TDB
Richard "Rip" Hamilton
Andre "My Boy" Miller


Championship Caliber


And more bombing to come

yup lucky
but dont expect House here ;)
Once a CrotorNat always a CROTORNAT  2 times CB draft Champion 2009-2012

Nice to be back!

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #853 on: February 03, 2010, 04:45:53 PM »

Offline KCattheStripe

  • Danny Ainge
  • **********
  • Posts: 10726
  • Tommy Points: 830
Any thoughts?

1. Derrick Rose
2. Nicolas Batum
3. Danillo Gallinari
4. Emeka Okafor
5. Joakim Noah.

I thought Batum was a SF? Is he mobile enough to guard SGs?


Extremely athletic and 6'8", Portland's go to defensive player, especially to keep Roy out of foul trouble.

Re: The Pick Two Draft Thread
« Reply #854 on: February 03, 2010, 04:47:19 PM »

Offline KCattheStripe

  • Danny Ainge
  • **********
  • Posts: 10726
  • Tommy Points: 830
Small ball for me

RIP

and one more player this round
what will it be Shard future
PF or SF

My Boy Andre Miller
Rip

Shard
Superman


p.s. I cant beleive hes still available

18.5   3.4   5.8 and champion is better than most here


The ONLY reason I didn't take Rip was because of his age. Have fun winning the east Edgar.