Can Perk cover the "Big MEN" (Dampier)..?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

The other night aghainst Dallas, Perk showed me that again he is mystified by the pick and roll.....He can't figure out what is going on, that they WANT him to stay up top with the guard, While the big man rolls to the hoop. All you have to do in the pick and roll, is stay with your man...focus and communicate with your team members....! He always gets lost with the pick and roll, that is why other teams continually use it on him...! Go to the paint PERK..! There aren't many guys that Perk has to cover that shoot outside...! Now don't get the wrong idea, his offense is looking really good, the best he has ever shown...almost new stuff nightly, like his new bank shot..He needs to call "THE CHIEF" to get a few Defensive pointers...! That is all that is missing from his game..!

[fairweatherfan]

Yeah, if only Perk knew how to play D...

If Perk is hedging on the pick and rolls it's probably because Doc and Tom T have told him to do so.  It's then up to his help to defend the cutting big man until Perk can get back.  The Dallas game looked like a lot of rotation breakdowns, not bad technique on Perk's fault.

[bballinlilbetty]

I will give you that Perk did not defend well in the 2nd half, but before that, he hadn't allowed Dampier a basket! Also, remember, that he, along with Sheed, held Dwight Howard to only 5 points.  Perk is averaging 2 blocks a game, and recently has been averaging a double double.  I dont think we can ask anything else out of him.  He bodies up with all the other bigs and without him, this team would be in great trouble.

[Who]

Perkins executes the coaches strategies on the pick and roll and he does so very well.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Yeah, if only Perk knew how to play D...

If Perk is hedging on the pick and rolls it's probably because Doc and Tom T have told him to do so.  It's then up to his help to defend the cutting big man until Perk can get back.  The Dallas game looked like a lot of rotation breakdowns, not bad technique on Perk's fault.

How many times did he end up covering the guard....Someone told him too...LOL   Doubt that. He belongs staying on the lower end of the play, rear to the hoop hover around the paint, not out in guard land. Sure other team members should see that coming also, it is an easy pass to pick off, whoever should be watching that guard..!

[GreenFaith1819]

I wouldn't call the Dallas game a blight on Perk, but as the season has worn on, there have been Maybe TWO centers that Perk couldn't slow down - Bogut and Kaman. Dampier wasn't an issue in the Dallas game I don't think. Dirk was.

And as Perk continues to learn the game he will master even Kaman and Bogut, being the stellar defensive center he is becoming.

Right now, he is our Meal Ticket against Dwight and Shaqtus, which he has proven to be so far.

[scoop]

The other night aghainst Dallas, Perk showed me that again he is mystified by the pick and roll.....He can't figure out what is going on, that they WANT him to stay up top with the guard, While the big man rolls to the hoop. All you have to do in the pick and roll, is stay with your man...focus and communicate with your team members....! He always gets lost with the pick and roll, that is why other teams continually use it on him...! Go to the paint PERK..! There aren't many guys that Perk has to cover that shoot outside...! Now don't get the wrong idea, his offense is looking really good, the best he has ever shown...almost new stuff nightly, like his new bank shot..He needs to call "THE CHIEF" to get a few Defensive pointers...! That is all that is missing from his game..!

The Celtics primary system of defending the pick'n'roll is to hedge hard and recover - and as long as your bigs are capable of executing this well, like most of the C's bigs including Perkins, and the guards fast enough fighting the pick to not leave them out there to dry, I see no reason to do it differently.

[wdleehi]

Yeah, if only Perk knew how to play D...

If Perk is hedging on the pick and rolls it's probably because Doc and Tom T have told him to do so.  It's then up to his help to defend the cutting big man until Perk can get back.  The Dallas game looked like a lot of rotation breakdowns, not bad technique on Perk's fault.

How many times did he end up covering the guard....Someone told him too...LOL   Doubt that. He belongs staying on the lower end of the play, rear to the hoop hover around the paint, not out in guard land. Sure other team members should see that coming also, it is an easy pass to pick off, whoever should be watching that guard..!

Yes.  He is doing it the way the Celtics defense is designed.

How many times do you have to see the Celtics big men do this on the pick and roll before it is understand this is what they do?


And a guy that doesn't allow Howard to get position is strong enough for any NBA low post player.  The difference is he helps out more on Dampier then Howard, allowing Dampier an easier time to get in position. 

[Timdawgg]

Ask Dwight Howard how he feels about Perk, if you can stop Dwight there is no need to question Perk's Defensive ability.

[crownsy]

Yeah, if only Perk knew how to play D...

If Perk is hedging on the pick and rolls it's probably because Doc and Tom T have told him to do so.  It's then up to his help to defend the cutting big man until Perk can get back.  The Dallas game looked like a lot of rotation breakdowns, not bad technique on Perk's fault.

How many times did he end up covering the guard....Someone told him too...LOL   Doubt that. He belongs staying on the lower end of the play, rear to the hoop hover around the paint, not out in guard land. Sure other team members should see that coming also, it is an easy pass to pick off, whoever should be watching that guard..!

what's more likely:

1. that he randomly forgot the way he defends a pick and roll all year and forgot how to play defense on a whim because he stayed at a best western last night?

2. The coaches were trying a new way to limit defensive penetration, which has been a problem all month, off the pick and roll because with KG down they don't have an athletic PF who can cover dynamic PF's like dirk in their system?

I'm gonna go ahead and vote #2.

When Kg is healthy, perk doesn't hedge and let his help try to limit the big. but The fact is neither sheed nor Perk are good Pick and roll guys.

Perk never has been, and it's not his job. he defends the paint.

The problem is sheed is too slow to defend the pick and roll at this stage of his career as well, so it falls on perk, who is no athletic dynamo but better than sheed at his age.

normally they try to stick with the old system and let wallace do it, but he can't against other teams with dynamic PF's (like dirk), though he can do it against teams with more average PF's.

That killed them 3 separate times vs teams with good PF's, most notably the Atlanta games, where smith and horford destroyed them on the pick. They made an adjustment and tried something different last night, it didn't work out.

[housecall]

As i write Danny Ainge is on weei and when asked what happened in the Mavs game,"he said the team been playing 85%defensively,and without KG they can't afford to play at 85%.He also said,its not the coaches fault,its not anyone but the players.
 Danny just said he watched KG in practice yesterday,quote: "he is looking good,shooting the lights out of the ball".

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Yeah, if only Perk knew how to play D...

If Perk is hedging on the pick and rolls it's probably because Doc and Tom T have told him to do so.  It's then up to his help to defend the cutting big man until Perk can get back.  The Dallas game looked like a lot of rotation breakdowns, not bad technique on Perk's fault.

How many times did he end up covering the guard....Someone told him too...LOL   Doubt that. He belongs staying on the lower end of the play, rear to the hoop hover around the paint, not out in guard land. Sure other team members should see that coming also, it is an easy pass to pick off, whoever should be watching that guard..!

Yes.  He is doing it the way the Celtics defense is designed.

How many times do you have to see the Celtics big men do this on the pick and roll before it is understand this is what they do?


And a guy that doesn't allow Howard to get position is strong enough for any NBA low post player.  The difference is he helps out more on Dampier then Howard, allowing Dampier an easier time to get in position. 

I never said he wasn't strong enough, his strength is not a question. He was covering Dampier, primary, and staying in the paint will help him control the D better, or closer to it (avoid that D-technical foul) He does great on Howard, like another poster said, not good on Kaman or Atlanta...

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Ask Dwight Howard how he feels about Perk, if you can stop Dwight there is no need to question Perk's Defensive ability.

Too bad we have to play and beat other teams besides Orlando. I like perk, i just want him to be in position better and not get fooled on that pick and roll.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Yeah, if only Perk knew how to play D...

If Perk is hedging on the pick and rolls it's probably because Doc and Tom T have told him to do so.  It's then up to his help to defend the cutting big man until Perk can get back.  The Dallas game looked like a lot of rotation breakdowns, not bad technique on Perk's fault.

How many times did he end up covering the guard....Someone told him too...LOL   Doubt that. He belongs staying on the lower end of the play, rear to the hoop hover around the paint, not out in guard land. Sure other team members should see that coming also, it is an easy pass to pick off, whoever should be watching that guard..!

what's more likely:

1. that he randomly forgot the way he defends a pick and roll all year and forgot how to play defense on a whim because he stayed at a best western last night?

2. The coaches were trying a new way to limit defensive penetration, which has been a problem all month, off the pick and roll because with KG down they don't have an athletic PF who can cover dynamic PF's like dirk in their system?

I'm gonna go ahead and vote #2.

When Kg is healthy, perk doesn't hedge and let his help try to limit the big. but The fact is neither sheed nor Perk are good Pick and roll guys.

Perk never has been, and it's not his job. he defends the paint.

The problem is sheed is too slow to defend the pick and roll at this stage of his career as well, so it falls on perk, who is no athletic dynamo but better than sheed at his age.

normally they try to stick with the old system and let wallace do it, but he can't against other teams with dynamic PF's (like dirk), though he can do it against teams with more average PF's.

That killed them 3 separate times vs teams with good PF's, most notably the Atlanta games, where smith and horford destroyed them on the pick. They made an adjustment and tried something different last night, it didn't work out.

Well, I agree with you, a lot of good points there..!

[wdleehi]

Yeah, if only Perk knew how to play D...

If Perk is hedging on the pick and rolls it's probably because Doc and Tom T have told him to do so.  It's then up to his help to defend the cutting big man until Perk can get back.  The Dallas game looked like a lot of rotation breakdowns, not bad technique on Perk's fault.

How many times did he end up covering the guard....Someone told him too...LOL   Doubt that. He belongs staying on the lower end of the play, rear to the hoop hover around the paint, not out in guard land. Sure other team members should see that coming also, it is an easy pass to pick off, whoever should be watching that guard..!

what's more likely:

1. that he randomly forgot the way he defends a pick and roll all year and forgot how to play defense on a whim because he stayed at a best western last night?

2. The coaches were trying a new way to limit defensive penetration, which has been a problem all month, off the pick and roll because with KG down they don't have an athletic PF who can cover dynamic PF's like dirk in their system?

I'm gonna go ahead and vote #2.

When Kg is healthy, perk doesn't hedge and let his help try to limit the big. but The fact is neither sheed nor Perk are good Pick and roll guys.

Perk never has been, and it's not his job. he defends the paint.

The problem is sheed is too slow to defend the pick and roll at this stage of his career as well, so it falls on perk, who is no athletic dynamo but better than sheed at his age.

normally they try to stick with the old system and let wallace do it, but he can't against other teams with dynamic PF's (like dirk), though he can do it against teams with more average PF's.

That killed them 3 separate times vs teams with good PF's, most notably the Atlanta games, where smith and horford destroyed them on the pick. They made an adjustment and tried something different last night, it didn't work out.

But the Celtics always steps out on the pick and roll.

Remember two years ago when he was stepping out on Lebron, forcing him to take jumpers in the playoffs.