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Sheed
« on: January 18, 2010, 10:40:40 PM »

Offline buellj814

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i am going to try to tone this down from my posts in the game thread but.... how does this guy get so much credit when he plays for a half of season for the pistons and hasnt been good since??

this guy was a cancer with the blazers and was never anything special with the pistons..

 He has brought an influence to the team that in all seriousness i really believe affects the way this team plays and how it prepares for game.

Re: Sheed
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 10:43:06 PM »

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If you want to blame someone for this loss, blame Rondo.

Sheed doesn't bring any kind of bad attitude to this team, you're just making him the scapegoat for the poor Celtics games this season.

I guess we lost against Atlanta and Chicago because of Sheed, huh? Oh wait, he didn't play, but yet I didn't hear you blame him for the poor execution and defense of Boston.

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 10:45:00 PM »

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listen i hated the way rondo pounded the hell out of the ball today..

 but that doesnt excuse the disinterested attitude that this team has had this year that it hasnt had in years past??

Im just asking where that attitude has come from?

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2010, 10:46:28 PM »

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listen i hated the way rondo pounded the hell out of the ball today..

 but that doesnt excuse the disinterested attitude that this team has had this year that it hasnt had in years past??

Im just asking where that attitude has come from?

I don't know, frankly. Rondo has that attitude.

I feel like the team feels that it's not worth playing 100% for every regular season game. They are getting bored with the season. But it definitely does not explain or justify their abysmal record at home.

Re: Sheed
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2010, 10:48:05 PM »

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I dont understand all the Sheed Love. This guy has been anything but bad.

He is a total nutcase, he has no team concept, he does what he wants......he throws up brick three pointers that seem to disinterest the team.

His defense now is ovverated. Did you see how Dampier just overpowered him. Dampier!!!!

I thought this forum had fans with some knowledge.

I was wrong

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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2010, 10:50:52 PM »

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Does this guy ever rebound? All he does is yap of the mouth. That said its hard to blame the lose on sheed. When you got Rondo sleep walking through most of the game.

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 10:53:13 PM »

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I dont understand all the Sheed Love. This guy has been anything but bad.

He is a total nutcase, he has no team concept, he does what he wants......he throws up brick three pointers that seem to disinterest the team.

His defense now is ovverated. Did you see how Dampier just overpowered him. Dampier!!!!

I thought this forum had fans with some knowledge.

I was wrong




We don't allow personal attacks, so I guess group attacks aren't allowed either.  Please avoid generalizing like that.
Yup

Re: Sheed
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2010, 10:54:31 PM »

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I do think Sheed's mentality + emotional combustibility adversely effect the team at times ...

I also think Wallace makes several valuable contributions, is a net positive, and a key role player for the team ... and that there are more times where his mentality/attitude has a positive effective on the Celtics than a negative one.  

Re: Sheed
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2010, 10:57:01 PM »

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just curious what u think the postiive attitude is that he brings??

and im asking this in all seriousness and im not trying to be a jerk just to clarify

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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2010, 11:12:01 PM »

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just curious what u think the postiive attitude is that he brings??

and im asking this in all seriousness and im not trying to be a jerk just to clarify
Strengths

Defensive mindset + toughness/physicality + good under pressure + ups his play in big games + willingness to make (try to make) big plays in big moments + always makes the extra pass and has a team first attitude offensively and defensively.

Good character. Excellent teammate. Very likable. Gets on well with his teammates. Makes practices and long seasons more enjoyable. His teammates know that he always has their back out on the court.

Downsides

Inconsistency (offensively mostly) + mediocre work rate + highly emotional which can be a strength or weakness depending on circumstance (techs, referee rants) + isn't willing to post up more to benefit the team
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Re: Sheed
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2010, 11:14:33 PM »

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i am going to try to tone this down from my posts in the game thread but.... how does this guy get so much credit when he plays for a half of season for the pistons and hasnt been good since??

this guy was a cancer with the blazers and was never anything special with the pistons..

 He has brought an influence to the team that in all seriousness i really believe affects the way this team plays and how it prepares for game.

Because to say that all 'Sheed ever did in his career was "play for half a season for the pistons" is ridiculous and makes me think you never played attention to his career. One can question his play this year, yes, he has taken too many three's, though he has been going to the block lately and it has been very successful, but to say that his years in Portland and Detroit were only one good half a season is frankly absurd. He wasn't a "cancer" in Portland. As I said earlier it is taking an easy story line and trying to make the world conform to it. It is such typical media narrative b.s. and I would prefer to take the word of players who always say how great he is to play with, how he is a consumate teamplayer and isn't a negative influence rather than the out of touch, stodgy columnist narrative that you describe. At least critique 'Sheed for some of his play this year but you do yourself no good by claiming he has been a lazy dud his whole career as it is far from the truth.

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2010, 11:15:06 PM »

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just curious what u think the postiive attitude is that he brings??

and im asking this in all seriousness and im not trying to be a jerk just to clarify
Strengths

Defensive mindset + toughness/physicality + good under pressure + ups his play in big games + willingness to make (try to make) big plays in big moments + always makes the extra pass and has a team first attitude offensively and defensively.

Good character. Excellent teammate. Very likable. Gets on well with his teammates. Makes practices and long seasons more enjoyable. His teammates know that he always has their back out on the court.

Downsides

Inconsistency + mediocre work rate + highly emotional which can be a strength or weakness depending on circumstance + isn't willing to post up more to benefit the team

sounds like your missing some weaknesses

Cant shoot anymore....takes dumb shots...dumb three pointers....plays lazy at times. Puts himself first by getting in to it with refs...technical fouls.

Re: Sheed
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2010, 11:15:34 PM »

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Does this guy ever rebound? All he does is yap of the mouth. That said its hard to blame the lose on sheed. When you got Rondo sleep walking through most of the game.

Wouldn't it be so nice to have a backup point guard, we could go to, for instances like this tonight, when rondo just goes through the motions.

(which has been due for some time, being that he has been the only awake player and has had to carry the whole team, while everyone else was sleep walking for most of the season).

I seriously hope Danny is doing something behind closed doors, and is just deciding not to go public with it, rather than just not doing anything at all.

 

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2010, 11:19:48 PM »

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Sheed isn't the sole reason we lose games, its a combination of things...

1: K.G. (not playing)

2: Rondo (Takes too long to setup plays, and is offensively handicapped most of the time)

3: Incorrect & Insufficient Bench Roster (TA can't shoot nor pass, Eddie can't dribble nor create his own shot, Scal can't consistently hit 3's, Sheed can't consistently hit 3's and has reluctance to post up, Davis is limited and ineffective with limited minutes, Williams is limited)

4: Doc Rivers Coaching (Reluctance to mix young and old "Bill Walker" to spare Pierce a break). His failure and fear to take chances or try something "NEW" (something great coaches do), but Doc is not great yet, he's good.

5: Rasheed & Scalabrine (Inconsistency shooting 3's)

Question has anyone ever seen Rajon Rondo on the floor with Bill Walker and J.R. Giddens? I'm not sure if I ever have ???

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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2010, 01:40:41 AM »

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Inconsistency (offensively mostly) + mediocre work rate + highly emotional which can be a strength or weakness depending on circumstance + isn't willing to post up more to benefit the team

Let me add:

slow + overrated team defender + kills the flow of the offense + victim mentality +
doesn´t get any younger + still out of shape, halfway through the season

Quite frankly, I want him off my team, better yesterday than tomorrow.

This team as a unit lost a step or two since the 2007/08 season, and I blame two things for that: age + past success

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Doc himself said this team didn´t look fully motivated at times last season. He said we played sluggish at times and weren´t focused, and it´s the truth.

To add a guy like Rasheed Wallace was the complete wrong move for this team. We needed more fresh blood, not more old bones.
I´ve watched a lot of team sports in my life (I know, I´m not alone, here), and I have seen this about a thousand times before, and I can´t remember that it ever worked out.
The addition of Wallace showed a complete ignorance for the group dynamical aspects of a professional sports team, in my opinion.
If your team as a whole already shows motivational problems after a championship win, the last thing you should add is a veteran with motivational problems.

One player can in fact change the whole group mentality, especially someone so polarizing as Rasheed Wallace.

Think about it: The big three visited Sheed to convince him to come to Boston. When he agreed, they were all smiles and talked about 73 wins and what not.
Now, when the summer is over, and the team comes together for training camp, it is only natural that Wallace will take a central role in the new team hierarchy.

Players talk with each other. The players on top of the Food Chain act like little kids who met a new best buddy and won´t confront Sheed if he says something stupid (like "the refs are out to get me"), and the players lower in the hierarchy can´t say anything because they don´t have the mental gravity and authority to confront Sheed. This is a very subtle but essential part in any group building process.

Just look at Perkins, and his new-found victim mentality regarding the officials. His post-game interviews sound more and more like Rasheed 2.0.
And there is a reason why the 2010 Celtics look more and more like the 2008 Pistons.

At this point in time, Sheed has neither the physical tools nor the mind-set to overcome adversity on the court, in my opinion. He´s feeling it, sometimes, but those are rare instances, and most of the time he just looks lazy and isn´t really into the game, and this seems to rub off on the rest of the team.

I would be happy if we could trade him before the deadline.
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