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Re: Sheed
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2010, 03:18:20 AM »

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Inconsistency (offensively mostly) + mediocre work rate + highly emotional which can be a strength or weakness depending on circumstance + isn't willing to post up more to benefit the team

Let me add:

slow + overrated team defender + kills the flow of the offense + victim mentality +
doesn´t get any younger + still out of shape, halfway through the season

Quite frankly, I want him off my team, better yesterday than tomorrow.

This team as a unit lost a step or two since the 2007/08 season, and I blame two things for that: age + past success

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Doc himself said this team didn´t look fully motivated at times last season. He said we played sluggish at times and weren´t focused, and it´s the truth.

To add a guy like Rasheed Wallace was the complete wrong move for this team. We needed more fresh blood, not more old bones.
I´ve watched a lot of team sports in my life (I know, I´m not alone, here), and I have seen this about a thousand times before, and I can´t remember that it ever worked out.
The addition of Wallace showed a complete ignorance for the group dynamical aspects of a professional sports team, in my opinion.
If your team as a whole already shows motivational problems after a championship win, the last thing you should add is a veteran with motivational problems.

One player can in fact change the whole group mentality, especially someone so polarizing as Rasheed Wallace.

Think about it: The big three visited Sheed to convince him to come to Boston. When he agreed, they were all smiles and talked about 73 wins and what not.
Now, when the summer is over, and the team comes together for training camp, it is only natural that Wallace will take a central role in the new team hierarchy.

Players talk with each other. The players on top of the Food Chain act like little kids who met a new best buddy and won´t confront Sheed if he says something stupid (like "the refs are out to get me"), and the players lower in the hierarchy can´t say anything because they don´t have the mental gravity and authority to confront Sheed. This is a very subtle but essential part in any group building process.

Just look at Perkins, and his new-found victim mentality regarding the officials. His post-game interviews sound more and more like Rasheed 2.0.
And there is a reason why the 2010 Celtics look more and more like the 2008 Pistons.

At this point in time, Sheed has neither the physical tools nor the mind-set to overcome adversity on the court, in my opinion. He´s feeling it, sometimes, but those are rare instances, and most of the time he just looks lazy and isn´t really into the game, and this seems to rub off on the rest of the team.

I would be happy if we could trade him before the deadline.

I'm afraid the only thing I can dislike about Sheed right now is that he takes too many 3's. But, particularly tonight, and I was at this game, he did post up, and when he did, his defender rarely stood a chance. I always yelled when he got the ball in the post, "You can take him Rasheed! He's got NOTHING on ya!". And most of the time, I was right.

And what about Perkins? Oh yeah, the same guy who had the 6th most technicals in the league last year with 12, and T-15th the year before with 9? Where's Sheed in those pictures?

Everything else you say is pure speculation. End of story. What are we talking about here, anyways; Celtics basketball, or are we giving out Management 200 lectures? Cause college starts for me again in a week, and I'd like to keep it that way. :D

Oh btw, you wanna tell us what we'd get in a trade involving Sheed? :D

Re: Sheed
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2010, 06:20:23 AM »

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I'm afraid the only thing I can dislike about Sheed right now is that he takes too many 3's. But, particularly tonight, and I was at this game, he did post up, and when he did, his defender rarely stood a chance. I always yelled when he got the ball in the post, "You can take him Rasheed! He's got NOTHING on ya!". And most of the time, I was right.

And what about Perkins? Oh yeah, the same guy who had the 6th most technicals in the league last year with 12, and T-15th the year before with 9? Where's Sheed in those pictures?

Everything else you say is pure speculation. End of story. What are we talking about here, anyways; Celtics basketball, or are we giving out Management 200 lectures? Cause college starts for me again in a week, and I'd like to keep it that way. :D

Oh btw, you wanna tell us what we'd get in a trade involving Sheed? :D

You can keep your smart remarks for yourself, as far as I´m concerned.
I´m tired of you attacking a critical post I make about Danny with a sarcastic remark about how we "shouldn´t give managerial advice". That´s what fans all around the world do in every sport every day, it´s pretty hypocritical to criticize someone for that.
I take it, deep down inside, you can´t deny what I´ve said, because your eyes show you they´re not playing good, so you´re trying to attack the source and talk it away. That won´t help, the signs are on the wall.

You can ridicule what I´ve said, but the fact is, where I´m from, these "speculations", as you call them, are the most important things when you talk about trades and make-up of teams (and not only between fans; coaches and ex-players do it, too), and have proven to be important and correct time and time again. Maybe you should read up on the term "group dynamics"?
So chalk it up under "cultural differencies", if you want, and I will chalk it up under the "ostrich-syndrome", and that you only want to stick your head in the sands.

And, btw, I´d be happy with Rasheed and a second-rounder for Captain Spaulding, that´s how bad I want him off this team.
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Re: Sheed
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2010, 09:35:54 AM »

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I like how Casperian worded it- victim mentality.  So true.  That is never a good thing.  Too much "poor me" and not enough rebounding.

Re: Sheed
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2010, 02:20:04 PM »

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I'm afraid the only thing I can dislike about Sheed right now is that he takes too many 3's. But, particularly tonight, and I was at this game, he did post up, and when he did, his defender rarely stood a chance. I always yelled when he got the ball in the post, "You can take him Rasheed! He's got NOTHING on ya!". And most of the time, I was right.

And what about Perkins? Oh yeah, the same guy who had the 6th most technicals in the league last year with 12, and T-15th the year before with 9? Where's Sheed in those pictures?

Everything else you say is pure speculation. End of story. What are we talking about here, anyways; Celtics basketball, or are we giving out Management 200 lectures? Cause college starts for me again in a week, and I'd like to keep it that way. :D

Oh btw, you wanna tell us what we'd get in a trade involving Sheed? :D

You can keep your smart remarks for yourself, as far as I´m concerned.
I´m tired of you attacking a critical post I make about Danny with a sarcastic remark about how we "shouldn´t give managerial advice". That´s what fans all around the world do in every sport every day, it´s pretty hypocritical to criticize someone for that.
I take it, deep down inside, you can´t deny what I´ve said, because your eyes show you they´re not playing good, so you´re trying to attack the source and talk it away. That won´t help, the signs are on the wall.

You can ridicule what I´ve said, but the fact is, where I´m from, these "speculations", as you call them, are the most important things when you talk about trades and make-up of teams (and not only between fans; coaches and ex-players do it, too), and have proven to be important and correct time and time again. Maybe you should read up on the term "group dynamics"?
So chalk it up under "cultural differencies", if you want, and I will chalk it up under the "ostrich-syndrome", and that you only want to stick your head in the sands.

And, btw, I´d be happy with Rasheed and a second-rounder for Captain Spaulding, that´s how bad I want him off this team.

You talk about "smart remarks" and then say you'd trade Rasheed for Captain Spaulding? I wouldn't have smited you for lack or originality if you had just said a bag of chips, you know.

Buddy, if you want me to take your seriously on this issue, then you're gonna have to talk like you ARE serious. If you really believe that's how little value Sheed has to the Celtics, then I won't hold back just to make you feel better. If it looks like I'm laughing at you in my posts, then I probably am, and I won't stop if you make one-liners like that. I'm not doing it to troll you, I'm doing it because I have an opinion too, and quite honestly, it's not in love with you arguably making nothing BUT "smart remarks" about Sheed in "grouptalk" language.

I DO want a serious trade suggestion that ships Sheed out of Boston and brings back someone better. If you really think someone better than Sheed is out there, that's the LEAST you can do.

I just have a hard time believing that Sheed taking wide open 3's and missing them proves he just doesn't care about the team dynamic. All Eddie House arguably can do IS shoot, and he's not done much of that lately. Do your trade wishes involve Eddie, too? Cause between both Eddie and Rasheed behind the arc, they have the same problems; they get the shot, but can't make it.

Also, Sheed was the only one giving Dirk problems. When Sheed got into foul trouble in the 3rd quarter and had to come out, Dirk went off, and that doomed us.

And remember that talk about the plain ride last year where Rondo called a meeting and it didn't work out? Rasheed wasn't there either, but one can argue that team woulda been in the NBA Finals if KG was healthy.

So yes, I don't get what your beef with Rasheed is. I feel like you've never liked Sheed in the first place, and now that the C's aren't doing so hot, you feel this is your best chance to try and get us to turn on Sheed. All cause of a few wide open 3's Sheed had that he missed? Again...does this trade you want involve Eddie?

Re: Sheed
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2010, 03:00:55 PM »

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Casperian, I also would like to hear the answer...

Just trading someone is futile unless you at least get equal value, and ideally, greater value for him.  Trading for personal reasons does nothing except disrupt whatever chemistry is there, and makes other players wonder when the ax is going to fall on them.  Unless the players themselves, or the coach indicates dissatisfaction with Sheed, I don't see how a fan can call him (or any other player) a cancer.  And if the players are indicating dissatisfaction, I am sure Danny is not just listening for offers, but actively shopping him, as Ubuntu is such a big part of this team's philosophy.
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Re: Sheed
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2010, 03:08:32 PM »

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i am going to try to tone this down from my posts in the game thread but.... how does this guy get so much credit when he plays for a half of season for the pistons and hasnt been good since??

this guy was a cancer with the blazers and was never anything special with the pistons..

 He has brought an influence to the team that in all seriousness i really believe affects the way this team plays and how it prepares for game.

Sheed isn't a starting center in this league anymore, and he's struggling to fill the void left by a healthy KG right now.  But as a backup, not a lot more you can ask for from the guy.  He can score and defend, and is perfect for 15-20 mins a game.  

If Rasheed is starting for us the playoffs we're in a ton of trouble, but he's got to be one of the best backup bigs out there right now.  I mean, in almost the same number of MPG, McDyess has essentially the same rebounding numbers and half the PPG.  Gortat avergaed 3.4 PPG and just under 4 rebounds a game last year, when everyone was calling him the best backup in the league.  Pryzbilla was an 8 REB, 4PPG guy last year in similar minutes, so comparatively you give up a few rebounds and more than double your point production with Sheed this year.  Plus he's a veteran player, which makes him a good fit for this team.  I'm not saying he's perfect, but this whole argument that he's garbage now just doesn't jive with the stats.

In terms of career accomplishments (which you feel amount to zero), Sheed has been one of the most consistent and hardy scorers and defenders in the league for over 10 years.  Wallace joins Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan as the only four active players that have posted 15,000 points, 5,000 rebounds, 1,500 assists and 1,000 blocks in their careers.

I dont understand all the Sheed Love. This guy has been anything but bad.

He is a total nutcase, he has no team concept, he does what he wants......he throws up brick three pointers that seem to disinterest the team.

His defense now is ovverated. Did you see how Dampier just overpowered him. Dampier!!!!

I thought this forum had fans with some knowledge.

I was wrong

Um, yeah Dampier, you know the 6-11, 265 lbs guy?  So, your question is how could one of the biggest, most physical players in the league OVERPOWER a guy who's 40 pounds lighter than him  ::)  Maybe we should swap for Dampier then, I bet you'd love what he brings to the table...

I think all this stuff about Sheed's attitude effecting the team is wildly overstated conjecture, since all his teammates here and in the past rave about him as a good lockeroom guy.








Re: Sheed
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2010, 03:46:58 PM »

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i am going to try to tone this down from my posts in the game thread but.... how does this guy get so much credit when he plays for a half of season for the pistons and hasnt been good since??

this guy was a cancer with the blazers and was never anything special with the pistons..

 He has brought an influence to the team that in all seriousness i really believe affects the way this team plays and how it prepares for game.

Sheed isn't a starting center in this league anymore, and he's struggling to fill the void left by a healthy KG right now.  But as a backup, not a lot more you can ask for from the guy.  He can score and defend, and is perfect for 15-20 mins a game.  

If Rasheed is starting for us the playoffs we're in a ton of trouble, but he's got to be one of the best backup bigs out there right now.  I mean, in almost the same number of MPG, McDyess has essentially the same rebounding numbers and half the PPG.  Gortat avergaed 3.4 PPG and just under 4 rebounds a game last year, when everyone was calling him the best backup in the league.  Pryzbilla was an 8 REB, 4PPG guy last year in similar minutes, so comparatively you give up a few rebounds and more than double your point production with Sheed this year.  Plus he's a veteran player, which makes him a good fit for this team.  I'm not saying he's perfect, but this whole argument that he's garbage now just doesn't jive with the stats.

In terms of career accomplishments (which you feel amount to zero), Sheed has been one of the most consistent and hardy scorers and defenders in the league for over 10 years.  Wallace joins Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan as the only four active players that have posted 15,000 points, 5,000 rebounds, 1,500 assists and 1,000 blocks in their careers.

I dont understand all the Sheed Love. This guy has been anything but bad.

He is a total nutcase, he has no team concept, he does what he wants......he throws up brick three pointers that seem to disinterest the team.

His defense now is ovverated. Did you see how Dampier just overpowered him. Dampier!!!!

I thought this forum had fans with some knowledge.

I was wrong

Um, yeah Dampier, you know the 6-11, 265 lbs guy?  So, your question is how could one of the biggest, most physical players in the league OVERPOWER a guy who's 40 pounds lighter than him  ::)  Maybe we should swap for Dampier then, I bet you'd love what he brings to the table...

I think all this stuff about Sheed's attitude effecting the team is wildly overstated conjecture, since all his teammates here and in the past rave about him as a good lockeroom guy.

Co-sign and TP.

Re: Sheed
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2010, 02:32:07 PM »

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I'm afraid the only thing I can dislike about Sheed right now is that he takes too many 3's. But, particularly tonight, and I was at this game, he did post up, and when he did, his defender rarely stood a chance. I always yelled when he got the ball in the post, "You can take him Rasheed! He's got NOTHING on ya!". And most of the time, I was right.

And what about Perkins? Oh yeah, the same guy who had the 6th most technicals in the league last year with 12, and T-15th the year before with 9? Where's Sheed in those pictures?

Everything else you say is pure speculation. End of story. What are we talking about here, anyways; Celtics basketball, or are we giving out Management 200 lectures? Cause college starts for me again in a week, and I'd like to keep it that way. :D

Oh btw, you wanna tell us what we'd get in a trade involving Sheed? :D

You can keep your smart remarks for yourself, as far as I´m concerned.
I´m tired of you attacking a critical post I make about Danny with a sarcastic remark about how we "shouldn´t give managerial advice". That´s what fans all around the world do in every sport every day, it´s pretty hypocritical to criticize someone for that.
I take it, deep down inside, you can´t deny what I´ve said, because your eyes show you they´re not playing good, so you´re trying to attack the source and talk it away. That won´t help, the signs are on the wall.

You can ridicule what I´ve said, but the fact is, where I´m from, these "speculations", as you call them, are the most important things when you talk about trades and make-up of teams (and not only between fans; coaches and ex-players do it, too), and have proven to be important and correct time and time again. Maybe you should read up on the term "group dynamics"?
So chalk it up under "cultural differencies", if you want, and I will chalk it up under the "ostrich-syndrome", and that you only want to stick your head in the sands.

And, btw, I´d be happy with Rasheed and a second-rounder for Captain Spaulding, that´s how bad I want him off this team.

You talk about "smart remarks" and then say you'd trade Rasheed for Captain Spaulding? I wouldn't have smited you for lack or originality if you had just said a bag of chips, you know.

Buddy, if you want me to take your seriously on this issue, then you're gonna have to talk like you ARE serious. If you really believe that's how little value Sheed has to the Celtics, then I won't hold back just to make you feel better. If it looks like I'm laughing at you in my posts, then I probably am, and I won't stop if you make one-liners like that. I'm not doing it to troll you, I'm doing it because I have an opinion too, and quite honestly, it's not in love with you arguably making nothing BUT "smart remarks" about Sheed in "grouptalk" language.

I DO want a serious trade suggestion that ships Sheed out of Boston and brings back someone better. If you really think someone better than Sheed is out there, that's the LEAST you can do.

I just have a hard time believing that Sheed taking wide open 3's and missing them proves he just doesn't care about the team dynamic. All Eddie House arguably can do IS shoot, and he's not done much of that lately. Do your trade wishes involve Eddie, too? Cause between both Eddie and Rasheed behind the arc, they have the same problems; they get the shot, but can't make it.

Also, Sheed was the only one giving Dirk problems. When Sheed got into foul trouble in the 3rd quarter and had to come out, Dirk went off, and that doomed us.

And remember that talk about the plain ride last year where Rondo called a meeting and it didn't work out? Rasheed wasn't there either, but one can argue that team woulda been in the NBA Finals if KG was healthy.

So yes, I don't get what your beef with Rasheed is. I feel like you've never liked Sheed in the first place, and now that the C's aren't doing so hot, you feel this is your best chance to try and get us to turn on Sheed. All cause of a few wide open 3's Sheed had that he missed? Again...does this trade you want involve Eddie?


My new job keeps me busy, and I couldn´t find the time to reply.

I make one-liners because it´s me who doesn´t take you seriously.
And you know why? Because we had this discussion before, and because I´ve called what happens now back then when we traded for Sheed. Where I sit, this is just some kind of gallows humor. So, stick to your hypocritical shots at me, and I will keep making my one-liners, which you use as your angle to downplay my actual post.

Quite frankly. I don´t think I have to come up with any trade scenarios. That´s just a lame internet tactic to, again, get around talking about the actual point I made.

1. It doesn´t matter what I want, Danny certainly won´t listen to me.

2. This team won a championship without Sheed, they can do it again.
"Addition by subtraction" is the magic term here.
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Re: Sheed
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2010, 03:47:29 PM »

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I'm afraid the only thing I can dislike about Sheed right now is that he takes too many 3's. But, particularly tonight, and I was at this game, he did post up, and when he did, his defender rarely stood a chance. I always yelled when he got the ball in the post, "You can take him Rasheed! He's got NOTHING on ya!". And most of the time, I was right.

And what about Perkins? Oh yeah, the same guy who had the 6th most technicals in the league last year with 12, and T-15th the year before with 9? Where's Sheed in those pictures?

Everything else you say is pure speculation. End of story. What are we talking about here, anyways; Celtics basketball, or are we giving out Management 200 lectures? Cause college starts for me again in a week, and I'd like to keep it that way. :D

Oh btw, you wanna tell us what we'd get in a trade involving Sheed? :D

You can keep your smart remarks for yourself, as far as I´m concerned.
I´m tired of you attacking a critical post I make about Danny with a sarcastic remark about how we "shouldn´t give managerial advice". That´s what fans all around the world do in every sport every day, it´s pretty hypocritical to criticize someone for that.
I take it, deep down inside, you can´t deny what I´ve said, because your eyes show you they´re not playing good, so you´re trying to attack the source and talk it away. That won´t help, the signs are on the wall.

You can ridicule what I´ve said, but the fact is, where I´m from, these "speculations", as you call them, are the most important things when you talk about trades and make-up of teams (and not only between fans; coaches and ex-players do it, too), and have proven to be important and correct time and time again. Maybe you should read up on the term "group dynamics"?
So chalk it up under "cultural differencies", if you want, and I will chalk it up under the "ostrich-syndrome", and that you only want to stick your head in the sands.

And, btw, I´d be happy with Rasheed and a second-rounder for Captain Spaulding, that´s how bad I want him off this team.

You talk about "smart remarks" and then say you'd trade Rasheed for Captain Spaulding? I wouldn't have smited you for lack or originality if you had just said a bag of chips, you know.

Buddy, if you want me to take your seriously on this issue, then you're gonna have to talk like you ARE serious. If you really believe that's how little value Sheed has to the Celtics, then I won't hold back just to make you feel better. If it looks like I'm laughing at you in my posts, then I probably am, and I won't stop if you make one-liners like that. I'm not doing it to troll you, I'm doing it because I have an opinion too, and quite honestly, it's not in love with you arguably making nothing BUT "smart remarks" about Sheed in "grouptalk" language.

I DO want a serious trade suggestion that ships Sheed out of Boston and brings back someone better. If you really think someone better than Sheed is out there, that's the LEAST you can do.

I just have a hard time believing that Sheed taking wide open 3's and missing them proves he just doesn't care about the team dynamic. All Eddie House arguably can do IS shoot, and he's not done much of that lately. Do your trade wishes involve Eddie, too? Cause between both Eddie and Rasheed behind the arc, they have the same problems; they get the shot, but can't make it.

Also, Sheed was the only one giving Dirk problems. When Sheed got into foul trouble in the 3rd quarter and had to come out, Dirk went off, and that doomed us.

And remember that talk about the plain ride last year where Rondo called a meeting and it didn't work out? Rasheed wasn't there either, but one can argue that team woulda been in the NBA Finals if KG was healthy.

So yes, I don't get what your beef with Rasheed is. I feel like you've never liked Sheed in the first place, and now that the C's aren't doing so hot, you feel this is your best chance to try and get us to turn on Sheed. All cause of a few wide open 3's Sheed had that he missed? Again...does this trade you want involve Eddie?


My new job keeps me busy, and I couldn´t find the time to reply.

I make one-liners because it´s me who doesn´t take you seriously.
And you know why? Because we had this discussion before, and because I´ve called what happens now back then when we traded for Sheed. Where I sit, this is just some kind of gallows humor. So, stick to your hypocritical shots at me, and I will keep making my one-liners, which you use as your angle to downplay my actual post.

Quite frankly. I don´t think I have to come up with any trade scenarios. That´s just a lame internet tactic to, again, get around talking about the actual point I made.

1. It doesn´t matter what I want, Danny certainly won´t listen to me.

2. This team won a championship without Sheed, they can do it again.
"Addition by subtraction" is the magic term here.


First of all, I just want to point out we did not trade for Sheed, we signed him.

Secondly, this is all I get from your post:

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"slow + overrated team defender + kills the flow of the offense + victim mentality +
doesn´t get any younger + still out of shape, halfway through the season"

That's the only thing I got from your post that means anything. Everything else you said was like a management 200 lecture, which summed up to calling Rasheed a cancer, when, for god's sake, he hasn't even done that badly. Keep in mind that Rasheed just came off being out for a week and has to do starter minutes when he was supposed to be coming off the bench, and is still doing well.

I mean, anyways, what's your post? The team's not doing well, and it's all Rasheed's fault? That's your post? A "blame game" on someone you admitted you never liked beforehand, and now that the team's not doing so well, you feel this is your chance to start unloading the blame on him?

So, let me start with that quote I put up.

So he's slow? Slow what? Defensively? He's slow to get a shot in the paint? Like I said, he looked like he can post up just fine against the Mavs when I went.

Overrated team defender? I've heard this about Eddie for an awful long time, and on top of his bad shooting this year, people want him out just as much as you claim you want SHeed out. You probably thought I was just taking shots at you when I pointed that out, but not everyone will be sad to see Eddie go if it brings us back Nate, for example.

Kills the flow of the offense? Is this when he takes a 3 and misses? You look around this board enough and you'd think Ray Allen, Eddie House and Scal also killed the flow of the offense. But Sheed not being able to make his 3's doesn't mean he's killing the flow of the offense. I've asked you this before; since Eddie can't make a shot these days, is he tradeable in your eyes? I'm serious. Regardless, I've already said I think Sheed shoot less 3's and stay in the post more.

This victim mentality you speak of...like I said, Perk has picked up a ton of technical fouls the last two years before Sheed came in here. Please also keep in mind that Sheed and Big Baby each have had a foul rescinded; Sheed a technical and Big Baby a flagrant. Doc got fined 25k for complaining about the flagrant called on Big Baby that was later rescinded. I'm not trying to say this is an excuse for Sheed to yell louder, but when the league has to basically say that the refs were wrong on a call that affected our team, I'm not going to make a big deal that Sheed complains in a post-game interview, especially when Doc's doing the same. Keep in mind Doc was also tossed in same said game where Big Baby was called for a flagrant. This "victim mentality" was definitely not started by Rasheed. At worst, the refs now want to call more fouls simply on the C's simply because Sheed's on the team, but like I pointed out, I could say the same thing about Perk before Sheed came.

Doesn't get any younger? Hmm, you mean you don't like Sheed and you're mad he's still on this team for at least another year, right? Because the Big 3 aren't getting any younger either, but I'm sure you'd like them for at least this year and maybe next year too, right?

Then you say he's out of shape....Is this also on top of being "slow"? Cause I addressed that.

Also, you said it doesn't matter what you want because Danny won't listen. I wonder if he'd listen to you only blame Rasheed for the Celtics' woes and no one else, as if it's him and him alone that's making the Celtics lose. But none the less, you do just that. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve some of the blame, but when you go on to say it's "Addition by Subtraction" to get rid of Sheed, you're basically giving everyone else a pass, espeically when Sheed actually looks like he's doing something. It's almost like we're leaving it to guys like you who admit they never liked Sheed before he came here to now try and convince us he's doing very little and making everyone else do very little in the process.

And on that note, what do you mean asking who'd you trade Rasheed for is a "lame internet tactic"? If I had asked you this face to face, would it mean more to you? Wanting Rasheed out just to have him out is flat out ridiculous, I don't care what your personal feelings dictate to you. You claim what you say doesn't matter, but you bash Rasheed regardless, so what's telling us who you think can do what Rasheed's doing for the Celtics and definitely not be a cancer and who we could get?

It doesn't detract from your actual post; it's Rasheed's fault we're losing, and despite the fact he's producing where some are probably aren't, everyone else gets a pass and will do better if he leaves, so much to the point that you're not interested in seeing who could fill Sheed's role.   

Re: Sheed
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2010, 04:07:02 PM »

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listen i hated the way rondo pounded the hell out of the ball today..

 but that doesnt excuse the disinterested attitude that this team has had this year that it hasnt had in years past??

Im just asking where that attitude has come from?

Hasen't had in years past?

This exact same argument was made last year during the bad stretch over Christmas, and the lax performances leading up to the playoffs, as well as the home losses to the magic.

It was also reported over the summer that the team had focus and leadership issues last year.

I guess Sheed's "overwhelming" influence on this teams focus is so great it started before he was even signed....

In point of fact, this is a argument that's brought up every year and a player is picked as a scape goat. Last year it was rondo and his "attitude problems" whenever we showed lack of focus/ poor execution.

This year Rondo is playing much more consistent basketball, last night not withstanding, so we have moved onto Sheed, apparently.

The whole team is playing below their talent right now, I severely doubt it has anything to do with one individual player "poisoning" the other 14.

the "this player i don't like is the problem!" argument is fun, easy to make, and sometimes valid. It isn't in this case.

The celtics problems are not with the attutide of one player somehow affecting the other 14 to such a degree that they forget how to execute and play defense.

It has to do with injuries, Age, team wide lack of anything approaching acceptable rebounding, and lack of focus.
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Re: Sheed
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2010, 04:18:08 PM »

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listen i hated the way rondo pounded the hell out of the ball today..

 but that doesnt excuse the disinterested attitude that this team has had this year that it hasnt had in years past??

Im just asking where that attitude has come from?

Hasen't had in years past?

This exact same argument was made last year during the bad stretch over Christmas, and the lax performances leading up to the playoffs, as well as the home losses to the magic.

It was also reported over the summer that the team had focus and leadership issues last year.

I guess Sheed's "overwhelming" influence on this teams focus is so great it started before he was even signed....

In point of fact, this is a argument that's brought up every year and a player is picked as a scape goat. Last year it was rondo and his "attitude problems" whenever we showed lack of focus/ poor execution.

This year Rondo is playing much more consistent basketball, last night not withstanding, so we have moved onto Sheed, apparently.

The whole team is playing below their talent right now, I severely doubt it has anything to do with one individual player "poisoning" the other 14.

the "this player i don't like is the problem!" argument is fun, easy to make, and sometimes valid. It isn't in this case.

The celtics problems are not with the attutide of one player somehow affecting the other 14 to such a degree that they forget how to execute and play defense.

It has to do with injuries, Age, team wide lack of anything approaching acceptable rebounding, and lack of focus.

Heh, I even remember when Rondo missed those FTs against the CLippers, and people were talking about how a PG shooting 55% at the line is unacceptable, and how Rondo clearly didn't work hard enough to make himself better in the off-season, even though before those FTs Rondo was 2-3 for that night, and even though Rondo's actually been shooting well from the stripe since that game.

Go figure.