Has the Cs championship window already closed?

[BballTim]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

Thanks for revealing us that January games are signs of things to come in the playoffs. I thought it was quite the opposite but obviously you must be right since you know so much about the game.

Why shouldn't they be? The Cs have lost 8 of 15. The assumption that the Cs will get healthier, more athletic and more energetic over and after 82 games is a bit disturbing.

  If you're going to talk about 82 games shouldn't you mention that we're 27-12 and have the third best record in the league? The 7-8 stretch is real, and so are the injuries. But so was the 20-4 before that.

[BballTim]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

  What you saw last month is also what you get. Why is one more likely than the other? Are you saying we won't be able to win when KG gets back and Paul's knee isn't as sore, or are you saying that KG won't ever come back?

[celts60]

If Ray Allen remains with the team past the trade deadline, that would signal to me that management believes that KG will contribute in the playoffs.  Or, more cynically, management believes they can keep the fans' hopes alive (like last year) that KG will actually play whether he actually does or not.

[ssspence]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

Thanks for revealing us that January games are signs of things to come in the playoffs. I thought it was quite the opposite but obviously you must be right since you know so much about the game.

Why shouldn't they be? The Cs have lost 8 of 15. The assumption that the Cs will get healthier, more athletic and more energetic over and after 82 games is a bit disturbing.

  If you're going to talk about 82 games shouldn't you mention that we're 27-12 and have the third best record in the league? The 7-8 stretch is real, and so are the injuries. But so was the 20-4 before that.

Absolutely -- it actually furthers my point.

Old, shallow team lies to itself about the need for more depth. A lot of talk about limiting minutes and pacing themselves is just that: talk.

They start well and everyone talks about how good they are. Then around Christmas things start getting loose. Guys get tired, injuries begin to mount and they fade progressively throughout the year due to failure to address that depth.
 
Sound familiar?

[dlpin]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

Apparently, you believe in "miracles and fantasies," but you only think that they happen for other teams.

Because your pessimism is based on the notion that we will not get healthy or better, but that EVERY OTHER contender will. That is, this insane amount of negativity is based on the prediction that everything will go wrong for us and everything will go right for every other contending team.

Hey, guess what? The magic and the hawks have the same record as we do over the past 15 games, but they can't even look forward to being healthy to get better, because they are healthy.

This is what bugs me: apparently going 7-8 over the past 15 games is the real celtics and we dont have a shot, but the hawks, who are the same 7-8 over the past 15 games, will be in the finals.

[Brickowski]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

  What you saw last month is also what you get. Why is one more likely than the other? Are you saying we won't be able to win when KG gets back and Paul's knee isn't as sore, or are you saying that KG won't ever come back?

He'll come back, but not at 100%.  And even if he does, they may not get past the 2nd round.

There's an old coach's saying: "You play like you practice." Teams that dog it in practice do not suddenly hustle in games.  Players who don't dive for loose balls in practice won't do it in games either.

This team is playing lethargic basketball. Sure, they won a bunch of games earlier in the year, mostly against weak opponents, but they weren't playing playoff caliber basketball then, and they aren't playing it now.  Pierce is playing at half speed, and Scalabrine and House are vitually useless. Ray Allen is turning it over too much and starting to look like he's 35 years old.

It just isn't happening, and Kevin Garnett is not some magic bullet who will suddenly transform this team.  They should be winning without him anyway, but they aren't.

As for the woes of other teams (e.g. the Hawks), I'll point out that the other contending teams in the EC are all younger than the Celtics and will heal more quickly. I have no faith at all in Orlando's ability to win (the Vince Carter selfishness factor) or Toronto's ability to win (the Chris Bosh Mr. Softee factor, even if they don't trade him), but I have no doubt that the Cavs, Hawks and Bulls will be ready for the playoffs.

[BballTim]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

Thanks for revealing us that January games are signs of things to come in the playoffs. I thought it was quite the opposite but obviously you must be right since you know so much about the game.

Why shouldn't they be? The Cs have lost 8 of 15. The assumption that the Cs will get healthier, more athletic and more energetic over and after 82 games is a bit disturbing.

  If you're going to talk about 82 games shouldn't you mention that we're 27-12 and have the third best record in the league? The 7-8 stretch is real, and so are the injuries. But so was the 20-4 before that.

Absolutely -- it actually furthers my point.

Old, shallow team lies to itself about the need for more depth. A lot of talk about limiting minutes and pacing themselves is just that: talk.

They start well and everyone talks about how good they are. Then around Christmas things start getting loose. Guys get tired, injuries begin to mount and they fade progressively throughout the year due to failure to address that depth.
 
Sound familiar?

  Not really. And how many teams have benches that are significantly better than Sheed/Davis/Daniels/TA/House?

[dlpin]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

Thanks for revealing us that January games are signs of things to come in the playoffs. I thought it was quite the opposite but obviously you must be right since you know so much about the game.

Why shouldn't they be? The Cs have lost 8 of 15. The assumption that the Cs will get healthier, more athletic and more energetic over and after 82 games is a bit disturbing.

  If you're going to talk about 82 games shouldn't you mention that we're 27-12 and have the third best record in the league? The 7-8 stretch is real, and so are the injuries. But so was the 20-4 before that.

Absolutely -- it actually furthers my point.

Old, shallow team lies to itself about the need for more depth. A lot of talk about limiting minutes and pacing themselves is just that: talk.

They start well and everyone talks about how good they are. Then around Christmas things start getting loose. Guys get tired, injuries begin to mount and they fade progressively throughout the year due to failure to address that depth.
 
Sound familiar?

So familiar that I would put at least two of the top 3 teams in each conference in that category.

This is the point all the consistently negative people here don't seem to get: we are flawed, old, and injured, BUT SO ARE MOST OTHER CONTENDERS.

[dlpin]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

  What you saw last month is also what you get. Why is one more likely than the other? Are you saying we won't be able to win when KG gets back and Paul's knee isn't as sore, or are you saying that KG won't ever come back?

He'll come back, but not at 100%.  And even if he does, they may not get past the 2nd round.

There's an old coach's saying: "You play like you practice." Teams that dog it in practice do not suddenly hustle in games.  Players who don't dive for loose balls in practice won't do it in games either.

This team is playing lethargic basketball. Sure, they won a bunch of games earlier in the year, mostly against weak opponents, but they weren't playing playoff caliber basketball then, and they aren't playing it now.  Pierce is playing at half speed, and Scalabrine and House are vitually useless. Ray Allen is turning it over too much and starting to look like he's 35 years old.

It just isn't happening, and Kevin Garnett is not some magic bullet who will suddenly transform this team.  They should be winning without him anyway, but they aren't.

So the team that is 7-8 without it's top player who might come back will lose in the second round to a team that is the 7-8 team with their top players(either the magic or the hawks) ?

[BballTim]

This team is playing lethargic basketball. Sure, they won a bunch of games earlier in the year, mostly against weak opponents, but they weren't playing playoff caliber basketball then, and they aren't playing it now.

  So when we were 20-4 and had, by a decent margin, the best differential in the league, when we won like 14 out of 15, we weren't playing playoff caliber basketball?

  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that recognizing playoff caliber basketball isn't your forte.

[ssspence]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

Thanks for revealing us that January games are signs of things to come in the playoffs. I thought it was quite the opposite but obviously you must be right since you know so much about the game.

Why shouldn't they be? The Cs have lost 8 of 15. The assumption that the Cs will get healthier, more athletic and more energetic over and after 82 games is a bit disturbing.

  If you're going to talk about 82 games shouldn't you mention that we're 27-12 and have the third best record in the league? The 7-8 stretch is real, and so are the injuries. But so was the 20-4 before that.

Absolutely -- it actually furthers my point.

Old, shallow team lies to itself about the need for more depth. A lot of talk about limiting minutes and pacing themselves is just that: talk.

They start well and everyone talks about how good they are. Then around Christmas things start getting loose. Guys get tired, injuries begin to mount and they fade progressively throughout the year due to failure to address that depth.
 
Sound familiar?

So familiar that I would put at least two of the top 3 teams in each conference in that category.

This is the point all the consistently negative people here don't seem to get: we are flawed, old, and injured, BUT SO ARE MOST OTHER CONTENDERS.

I was actually referring to last year's Celtics. Guess I needed to make that explicit.

[ssspence]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

Thanks for revealing us that January games are signs of things to come in the playoffs. I thought it was quite the opposite but obviously you must be right since you know so much about the game.

Why shouldn't they be? The Cs have lost 8 of 15. The assumption that the Cs will get healthier, more athletic and more energetic over and after 82 games is a bit disturbing.

  If you're going to talk about 82 games shouldn't you mention that we're 27-12 and have the third best record in the league? The 7-8 stretch is real, and so are the injuries. But so was the 20-4 before that.

Absolutely -- it actually furthers my point.

Old, shallow team lies to itself about the need for more depth. A lot of talk about limiting minutes and pacing themselves is just that: talk.

They start well and everyone talks about how good they are. Then around Christmas things start getting loose. Guys get tired, injuries begin to mount and they fade progressively throughout the year due to failure to address that depth.
 
Sound familiar?

  Not really. And how many teams have benches that are significantly better than Sheed/Davis/Daniels/TA/House?

In a fantasy league, that's a pretty good bench -- though there's not a guy you can go to when you absolutely need a bucket or a foul.

But I thought we were talking about reality.

[Drucci]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

Thanks for revealing us that January games are signs of things to come in the playoffs. I thought it was quite the opposite but obviously you must be right since you know so much about the game.

Why shouldn't they be? The Cs have lost 8 of 15. The assumption that the Cs will get healthier, more athletic and more energetic over and after 82 games is a bit disturbing.

  If you're going to talk about 82 games shouldn't you mention that we're 27-12 and have the third best record in the league? The 7-8 stretch is real, and so are the injuries. But so was the 20-4 before that.

Absolutely -- it actually furthers my point.

Old, shallow team lies to itself about the need for more depth. A lot of talk about limiting minutes and pacing themselves is just that: talk.

They start well and everyone talks about how good they are. Then around Christmas things start getting loose. Guys get tired, injuries begin to mount and they fade progressively throughout the year due to failure to address that depth.
 
Sound familiar?

  Not really. And how many teams have benches that are significantly better than Sheed/Davis/Daniels/TA/House?

In a fantasy league, that's a pretty good bench -- though there's not a guy you can go to when you absolutely need a bucket or a foul.

But I thought we were talking about reality.

Are you kidding? Sheed and Marquis are the players to go to when you need a crucial bucket or a foul because both can create their own shots and get fouls.

Your negativity is clearly affecting your judgment.

[ScoobyDoo]

If KG comes back and is truly healthy, we win the title this year. This year is probably our best shot.

Also, this team fully healthy won't be beaten by anyone in a seven game series. No way.

It's important to remember we've been 2-3 key rotation players or starters down...all season. All season. And we're a couple games back fo the best record in the league. And the players we've missed haven't been just "the old guys" We've missed TA, Baby, Marquis and Rondo for stretches. Only KG has missed significant time.

We get everyone healthy ( which I really think will happen, I'm only really worried about KG the most), don't be suprised to see this team go on a 30-5 tear and roar back up to the top.

Finally, don't count out and old dog who's won the fights before. Yes, these guys may be mailing it in, but they weren't when KG was on the floor. And even though they may be facing teams with younger legs come playoff time, if we have KG in tow, don't be suprised to see the old dogs rearing their teeth in a very nasty way. They are champs, and still have something left in the tank when it's on the line. But we have to have KG or we are out. He's the one that lights the fire. You can't replace that.

[BballTim]

So, it's all going to get magically better, right?  Garnett will come back 100% and the other old veterans will forego their third quarter naps and actually play some defense. They'll even make some free throws.  LOL.

I don't believe in miracles or fantasies. What you see is what you are going to get.

 

Thanks for revealing us that January games are signs of things to come in the playoffs. I thought it was quite the opposite but obviously you must be right since you know so much about the game.

Why shouldn't they be? The Cs have lost 8 of 15. The assumption that the Cs will get healthier, more athletic and more energetic over and after 82 games is a bit disturbing.

  If you're going to talk about 82 games shouldn't you mention that we're 27-12 and have the third best record in the league? The 7-8 stretch is real, and so are the injuries. But so was the 20-4 before that.

Absolutely -- it actually furthers my point.

Old, shallow team lies to itself about the need for more depth. A lot of talk about limiting minutes and pacing themselves is just that: talk.

They start well and everyone talks about how good they are. Then around Christmas things start getting loose. Guys get tired, injuries begin to mount and they fade progressively throughout the year due to failure to address that depth.
 
Sound familiar?

  Not really. And how many teams have benches that are significantly better than Sheed/Davis/Daniels/TA/House?

In a fantasy league, that's a pretty good bench -- though there's not a guy you can go to when you absolutely need a bucket or a foul.

But I thought we were talking about reality.

  If you think that you're increasing your credibility with your fantasy/reality talk you're sadly mistaken. But if it makes you feel better I'll rephrase the question so you can understand it better.

  In the real world, which teams have benches that are significantly better than Sheed/Davis/Daniels/TA/House?